Freiflug88 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Southern Cross is the most frustrating out of all of the programs. I can kinda see what they were trying to do with it (create an epic series) and there are some great designs and concepts in it but ultimately it falls very far short of what it could have been. And whats really frustrating is that I think that with a major recut and reedit of the material that does exist you could make a really good series that runs for about 13 episodes. According to Wikipedia the show was ended prematurely, does anybody know how long the episode run for the series was intended to be? I think its certainly true that without RT this show would have been consigned to absolute oblivion already but I also think that Mospeada never would have found its own way to the West either. Taksraven Southern Cross was onlu 23 episodes, but I believe it was meant to be the standard 26 episode series. It certainly wouldn't have as boring cut in half. What really killed the show was that it was just 23 episodes of the army failing to swat down huge alien ships buzzing over their heads. Unlike Macross or Mosepeda their was no "journey" or apparent sense of progession in the overall plot while they devoted time to build up the charaters, instead its get to know the 15th squad while your not watching their military commander's plans of fighting back the aliens unfold only to fail miserably every other episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Well, I just got banned from RT.com again. I tried logging in this morning to find out that my account is inactive. I received no warning or notification from anyone. Any idea why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Any idea why? Maybe someone found a paper trail. Edited October 30, 2009 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiflug88 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 ORLY? why exactly is it overpowered? because it has less thrust and an inferior T/W ratio than the basic VF-19F? because it has the same missile load as a VF-19F but no head lasers and a gunpod that doesn't even shoot bullets? Man, Basrera's VF-19 is way overpowered. No aiir frame could possibly contain all that spirtia and awesomeness beating from his Totsugeki Love Heart! Yet it did for 48 episodes then in the final episode the VF-19 finally gives away and exploded when Basera was singing with the determination to move the galaxy itself and not because of some lame space tentacles. Besides, since Babalon 5's Starfuries were unpressurized, I assumed that the original Macross and Macross II VFs were the same (it takes less power and money to keep a cockpit unpressurized than to have the life support system built into the suit). Well, Babalon and Macross are too very different Sci-Fi franchises. It is true that its much easier to have unpressured cockpits, but manufactoring of advanced transforming jet fighters considered making pressured cockpits would be a cinch. As for the expensive spacesuits used in Macross and Macross II, they were mostly like worn just in case their was a malfunction or if the pilot had to eject outside of the safety of his pressurized cockpit while in the middle of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Try haveing a pin-point barrier system and it's own space-fold system, you need a larger reactor than a standard VF-19 to pull that off (the model I have is a Japanese import from Ban-Dai that contained both fighter and battloid modes). Well, as far as the energy demands of the pinpoint barrier go it seems fairly safe to assume that reactor output and/or efficiency would've improved over the 30 years since the VF-1. Of course, how much they've improved isn't clear, since the only other VF with a known, canon reactor output is the alternate universe's VF-2SS Valkyrie II, at a whopping three times that of the VF-1 (so just shy of 4,000MW, or about 38x the output of the A4W reactors on the Nimitz-class supercarriers). In that context, it doesn't seem unreasonable at all. As far the fold system, that's not part of the airframe at all, that's a sizable external module (FBF-1000A? fold booster) with an aggressively limited range (rated for not more than 20ly, one-way). If you wanna see bullshit stats that make no goddamn sense and explain nothing, borrow (do not buy) a copy of The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles, possibly the most cringe-worthy artbook ever printed. I never thought I'd see an explanation for a technology that would make the U.N. Spacy's application of spirita seem reasonable... I didn't factor HG's shoddy writing into the equation. Besides, since Babalon 5's Starfuries were unpressurized, I assumed that the original Macross and Macross II VFs were the same (it takes less power and money to keep a cockpit unpressurized than to have the life support system built into the suit). What flies for one universe does not necessarily fly for another, and there is ample evidence that the cockpits are in fact pressurized, like Hikaru, Misa, Hibiki, Ishtar, and many other characters riding in valkyries without wearing a properly sealed spacesuit (or indeed, a spacesuit at all). I was just going by what was printed on the box, which also had printed on it unlimited combat ceiling. I find that stange, like Ban-Dai didn't do its homework. Besides, the Fire Valkyrie is the only Mac 7 model I have, so I just went with what was printed on the box top (right on the face for all to see, no less). Bandai did their homework just fine, actually... most of the main continuity's fighters that were introduced in the 2040s and later were capable of reaching orbit over an earth-type planet without the need for a booster system. That's what "unlimited combat ceiling" means. They can (and occasionally do) boost into orbit under their own power, without any external booster elements. There are indications that this capability may have been available as early as the VF-4, though it supposedly drains the fighter's fuel tanks dry in the process. Where are these discussions happening, the dirty little secret Cannon Fodder section? Indeed. That's where MEMO dumps anything that might not show him to be the supreme authority on all things RT, and any thread where anyone dares to criticize him, RT, or HG. Well, I just got banned from RT.com again. I tried logging in this morning to find out that my account is inactive. I received no warning or notification from anyone. Check anywhere you've posted recently... odds are Maverick and/or MEMO decided to ban you for what you've been saying here, and are keeping it quiet. Edited October 30, 2009 by Seto Kaiba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Any idea why? I can only think of the following: 1. I pointed out that Sentinels is the worst piece of trash ever made. 2. I kindly pointed out that RT fans can't spell or post legible sentences. 3. I posted Urotsukidoji on an anime suggestion thread. 4. Kevin McKeever still hates my guts. 5. My user name was Ozma Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can only think of the following: 1. I pointed out that Sentinels is the worst piece of trash ever made. 2. I kindly pointed out that RT fans can't spell or post legible sentences. 3. I posted Urotsukidoji on an anime suggestion thread. 4. Kevin McKeever still hates my guts. 5. My user name was Ozma Lee. Let me guess dude ... I'm sure reason 5 is the reason why you got banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can only think of the following: 1. I pointed out that Sentinels is the worst piece of trash ever made. 2. I kindly pointed out that RT fans can't spell or post legible sentences. 3. I posted Urotsukidoji on an anime suggestion thread. 4. Kevin McKeever still hates my guts. 5. My user name was Ozma Lee. Hmmm...maybe suggesting Roger Christian as a good director for the RLAM wasn't a great idea, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can only think of the following: 3. I posted Urotsukidoji on an anime suggestion thread. Found it... looks like Steve deleted your account for recommending porn in that "what should I watch next" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Found it... looks like Steve deleted your account for recommending porn in that "what should I watch next" thread. Not really. When he deleted my posts, my account was still intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hmmm...maybe suggesting Roger Christian as a good director for the RLAM wasn't a great idea, either... Why? Because I posted a production spoiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Banhammer falls once again. Usually if Steve or anyone of the staff ban, they usually send some notification, unless they are now under the control of mods and just ban without any word. Well, if anything, we've never needed to make ammunition, they hand us theirs.Wonder if they'll ever get the hint, although I doubt it. I've lurked on their site recently, and it's about as dry as the Sahara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Wonder if they'll ever get the hint, although I doubt it. I've lurked on their site recently, and it's about as dry as the Sahara. Not surprising, really. Robotech.com has been dying slowly for years, and now the decay is starting to accelerate a bit. I mean c'mon, they've banned most of the best, most prolific, generally helpful contributors. The majority of the remaining contributors over there are the Robotech purists who hate everything that isn't animated, the fascists who can't stand the thought that not everybody has the exact same opinion they do, the pro-Harmony Gold trolls, and the people who don't contribute enough to notice what a rathole Robotech.com has turned into. There are a few good, helpful people left (if you'll forgive the shout-out to those determined souls), like Rhade, and P Thomassen, and occasionally ShadowLogan, but most either are completely out to lunch, or just don't give a damn anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can only think of the following: 5. My user name was Ozma Lee. Ah, so YOU'RE Ozma Lee! One of your posts gave me a good laugh last week, I think it was. Actually, it was Pizza The Hut's post that gave me a good laugh when he called you illiterate, despite the fact that his very post contained several misspellings and numerous grammatical errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ah, so YOU'RE Ozma Lee! One of your posts gave me a good laugh last week, I think it was. Actually, it was Pizza The Hut's post that gave me a good laugh when he called you illiterate, despite the fact that his very post contained several misspellings and numerous grammatical errors. Funnily enough, I was looking for that thread just a couple of minutes ago...I couldn't remember what it was nominally about, though, so I didn't find it. I did, however, find someone named Magalord or something who will probably be the next to go. At least, Pizza jumped all over him, and Memo rushed to Pizza's defense... Again, their website, their rules. I'm just glad Pizza hasn't found my account over there. I mean, I'm just glad I don't HAVE an account over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Funnily enough, I was looking for that thread just a couple of minutes ago...I couldn't remember what it was nominally about, though, so I didn't find it. I did, however, find someone named Magalord or something who will probably be the next to go. At least, Pizza jumped all over him, and Memo rushed to Pizza's defense... It could've been the "Elian vs Preditor" thread on the War Zone. Or it may have been a thread on the Small Talk section where everyone misspelled on purpose to show just how dumb they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Banhammer falls once again. Usually if Steve or anyone of the staff ban, they usually send some notification, unless they are now under the control of mods and just ban without any word. Well, if anything, we've never needed to make ammunition, they hand us theirs.Wonder if they'll ever get the hint, although I doubt it. I've lurked on their site recently, and it's about as dry as the Sahara. Maybe when the Convention Tour ends next month, they won't be doing much by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Found it... looks like Steve deleted your account for recommending porn in that "what should I watch next" thread. what? you can't talk about porn? what kind of sick asylum are they running over there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 what? you can't talk about porn? what kind of sick asylum are they running over there? If that's the case, I'm surprised it took him that long to ban me. I've been posting my LAM casting call suggestions for years, yet he's turned a blind eye on them. Also, remember that RT is a children's show, so you know the overall attitude of the members there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Also, remember that RT is a children's show, so you know the overall attitude of the members there. Exactly. That means it's ok to talk about thermon-nuclear war, the death and incineration of billions of human beings, people flying in giant killing machines smashing their brains and dying ghastly deaths in space. but no sex. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 what? you can't talk about porn? what kind of sick asylum are they running over there? Apparently not. No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a rational explanation for why Harmony Gold USA puts so much effort into making the Robotech.com forums conform to a level of family-friendliness and political correctness seldom seen outside of reruns of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. It just doesn't make any sense when you stop to consider that the average Robotech fan is more than old enough to buy his/her own guns, porn, and liquor, and has been for the better part of a decade, and their younger fans are almost all old enough to get into R-rated movies on their own. I could maybe see it as justifiable if Robotech were a show that had any kind of teenage fan following, or at least appealed to that age group, but it doesn't, and it probably never will. I mean, sure, there are twenty- and thirty-somethings there who act like they're thirteen (and write like they're seven), but I'm pretty sure it's chronological age that matters for things like that. What takes the whole thing from ridiculous all the way to hilarious is that there are quite a few scenes in the remastered "original 85", the Shadow Chronicles movie, and the planning materials for the rest of the so-called "Shadow Saga" that you couldn't even talk about on Robotech.com because of the "adult themes" in those scenes. Think about that for a second... there's lots of stuff in Robotech that you're not allowed to talk about on Robotech.com because it's not family-friendly enough. If that leaked draft is anything to go by, there's going to be a whole subplot concerning Janice and Marcus that'll be off limits on Robotech.com. Why? Because Janice is supposed to spend a good portion of the movie putting the moves on Marcus and trying to ride his pocket zaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Apparently not. No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a rational explanation for why Harmony Gold USA puts so much effort into making the Robotech.com forums conform to a level of family-friendliness and political correctness seldom seen outside of reruns of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. It just doesn't make any sense when you stop to consider that the average Robotech fan is more than old enough to buy his/her own guns, porn, and liquor, and has been for the better part of a decade, and their younger fans are almost all old enough to get into R-rated movies on their own. I could maybe see it as justifiable if Robotech were a show that had any kind of teenage fan following, or at least appealed to that age group, but it doesn't, and it probably never will. I mean, sure, there are twenty- and thirty-somethings there who act like they're thirteen (and write like they're seven), but I'm pretty sure it's chronological age that matters for things like that. What takes the whole thing from ridiculous all the way to hilarious is that there are quite a few scenes in the remastered "original 85", the Shadow Chronicles movie, and the planning materials for the rest of the so-called "Shadow Saga" that you couldn't even talk about on Robotech.com because of the "adult themes" in those scenes. Think about that for a second... there's lots of stuff in Robotech that you're not allowed to talk about on Robotech.com because it's not family-friendly enough. If that leaked draft is anything to go by, there's going to be a whole subplot concerning Janice and Marcus that'll be off limits on Robotech.com. Why? Because Janice is supposed to spend a good portion of the movie putting the moves on Marcus and trying to ride his pocket zaku. Wait. Wat? Isn't Janice a robot? I mean if she is, she's A hot robot IMHO, but she's no Chi. Edited October 30, 2009 by SkullLeaderVF-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPenguins Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Apparently not. No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a rational explanation for why Harmony Gold USA puts so much effort into making the Robotech.com forums conform to a level of family-friendliness and political correctness seldom seen outside of reruns of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. It just doesn't make any sense when you stop to consider that the average Robotech fan is more than old enough to buy his/her own guns, porn, and liquor, and has been for the better part of a decade, and their younger fans are almost all old enough to get into R-rated movies on their own. I could maybe see it as justifiable if Robotech were a show that had any kind of teenage fan following, or at least appealed to that age group, but it doesn't, and it probably never will. I mean, sure, there are twenty- and thirty-somethings there who act like they're thirteen (and write like they're seven), but I'm pretty sure it's chronological age that matters for things like that. What takes the whole thing from ridiculous all the way to hilarious is that there are quite a few scenes in the remastered "original 85", the Shadow Chronicles movie, and the planning materials for the rest of the so-called "Shadow Saga" that you couldn't even talk about on Robotech.com because of the "adult themes" in those scenes. Think about that for a second... there's lots of stuff in Robotech that you're not allowed to talk about on Robotech.com because it's not family-friendly enough. If that leaked draft is anything to go by, there's going to be a whole subplot concerning Janice and Marcus that'll be off limits on Robotech.com. Why? Because Janice is supposed to spend a good portion of the movie putting the moves on Marcus and trying to ride his pocket zaku. It's probably "family friendly" because Steve and Tommy are too easily offended :X when I used to hang in the RT.com chat room, I noticed Steve seemed to take offense to just about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 what? you can't talk about porn? what kind of sick asylum are they running over there? There is a "porn" clause in the FAQ ya know. http://www.robotech.com/content/guidelines.php Topics of a sexual nature, topics dealing with drugs and other topics which are inappropriate for all ages are not allowed. No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a rational explanation for why Harmony Gold USA puts so much effort into making the Robotech.com forums conform to a level of family-friendliness and political correctness seldom seen outside of reruns of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. ... Corporate liability. Don't want to get sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Corporate liability. Don't want to get sued. *nods* You guys keep on thinking that RT.com is just a regular fansite. It's not. The RT.com forums are part of a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 *nods* You guys keep on thinking that RT.com is just a regular fansite. It's not. The RT.com forums are part of a business. Yeah, they'd rather offend and cut off one user potentially worth $20-$300 in sales then dozens or so at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastaEgg Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Apparently not. No matter how hard I try, I can't come up with a rational explanation for why Harmony Gold USA puts so much effort into making the Robotech.com forums conform to a level of family-friendliness and political correctness seldom seen outside of reruns of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. It just doesn't make any sense when you stop to consider that the average Robotech fan is more than old enough to buy his/her own guns, porn, and liquor, and has been for the better part of a decade, and their younger fans are almost all old enough to get into R-rated movies on their own. I could maybe see it as justifiable if Robotech were a show that had any kind of teenage fan following, or at least appealed to that age group, but it doesn't, and it probably never will. I mean, sure, there are twenty- and thirty-somethings there who act like they're thirteen (and write like they're seven), but I'm pretty sure it's chronological age that matters for things like that. When you act like a 13 year old, it's only fair you get treated like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 It's probably "family friendly" because Steve and Tommy are too easily offended :X when I used to hang in the RT.com chat room, I noticed Steve seemed to take offense to just about anything. Yeah, that seems to be Steve alright. There is a saying, "See a person, and you can see their house." Steve's over overly soft, easily offendable attitude, and lack of care has spilled into his "virtual house" i.e. rt.com. I say, likewise in that saying, if you don't know the people who are trying to run the franchise, look at the website, and that'll give you an idea as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You guys keep on thinking that RT.com is just a regular fansite. It's not. The RT.com forums are part of a business. Right, and we all know that to run a profitable business, you need to keep conversations completely bland, uninteresting and generally ban and censor anybody with anything interesting to post. You also need to make sure that the main discussion topic on your website is constantly the legality of what you're doing rather than, say, I dunno...how cool the stories are...or the animation or the mecha or whatever. It's almost hard to believe that HG is a business, given how horribly they run the thing. It feels more like it's two guys sitting in the basement who happen to have a contract from 1983 that gives them a legal basis to send mean letters to people. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I agree that RT.com is "completely bland, uninteresting and (they) generally ban and censor anybody with anything interesting to post." But what I don't get is why people here continue to cry about the way the RT.com forums are run when there are other great Robotech sites out there, such as HappyPenguins' site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 But what I don't get is why people here continue to cry about the way the RT.com forums are run when there are other great Robotech sites out there, such as HappyPenguins' site. I'm not crying about it. I'm just making fun of them. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 It's probably "family friendly" because Steve and Tommy are too easily offended :X when I used to hang in the RT.com chat room, I noticed Steve seemed to take offense to just about anything. Nah, back in the day Steve was actually pretty okay with the bawdy stuff. I guess the idiots at corporate must've taken umbrage over something and clamped down on the boards. Corporate liability. Don't want to get sued. You guys keep on thinking that RT.com is just a regular fansite. It's not. The RT.com forums are part of a business. Yeah, they'd rather offend and cut off one user potentially worth $20-$300 in sales then dozens or so at a time. Eh, there are still easier ways to get around that problem that don't involve making everyone talk as though they're in a classroom full of precocious first-graders. A simple waiver of liability for objectionable material on the boards could have achieved the same thing without having to compel the ~30yo fans to dumb their discussions down to a PG level. They've already got accommodations for COPPA, so it's not like they're completely clueless. Right, and we all know that to run a profitable business, you need to keep conversations completely bland, uninteresting and generally ban and censor anybody with anything interesting to post. You also need to make sure that the main discussion topic on your website is constantly the legality of what you're doing rather than, say, I dunno...how cool the stories are...or the animation or the mecha or whatever. *shrug* Instead of having a few uptight fans leave the site because they don't like how a show with a predominantly adult fanbase can have adult conversations, they've chased away many of their adult fans in favor of a hypothetical teenage fan who failed to materialize back in 2006-2007. Ultimately, I think they've done far more damage in following this course of action than they could ever have hoped to do by allowing discussions above PG/TV-Y7 level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Okay, time to steal a thread or two from RT.com: Who would you cast for HG's so-called live-action movie? And who would you hire as director and production studio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Okay, time to steal a thread or two from RT.com: Who would you cast for HG's so-called live-action movie? And who would you hire as director and production studio? Well to get the results that HG and WB are seeking it would have to have..... Rick Hunter: Shia Lebeouf Lisa Hayes: Megan Fox Captain Global: Jon Voight etc....... Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Okay, time to steal a thread or two from RT.com: Who would you cast for HG's so-called live-action movie? And who would you hire as director and production studio? Does anyone here really care enough about the RLAM? The only answers that I personally can think of are facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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