taksraven Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven
Gubaba Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. I wouldn't call it massive, nor would I call it an agenda...merely a product of its time.
derex3592 Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven I'll answer that question. Let me preface this with the fact that I am NOT going to get drawn into a 37 page debate with anyone over this, but I happen to like the Robotech soundtrack far better than Macross. Let me explain why. First of all, I grew up with Robotech, and over the years, purchased various CD's of the soundtrack including the latest offering of a few years ago. It is on my IPOD in my car and I listen to it every now and then, some of it is fun driving music, especially if you're on a road trip by yourself! I didn't actually purchase and or see the original SDF Macross until a few years ago. I knew the whole story about what and how Robotech came about, just never had the time or means to get introduced to Macross. The internet and this site in particular introduced me to the Macross World and changed all that. I purchased and watched DYRL first and REALLY liked the soundtrack to that. Can't really find fault with the DYRL soundtrack at all. A few months later I purchased SDF Macross and watched it. I kept catching myself waiting for all the music pieces from Robotech to come in. I feel the Robotech instrumental music makes the episodes more exciting and ads some much needed "emotion" if you will, to the kind of stark silence in some scenes in SDF Macross. One piece of Macross music that I just cannot stand is the Zentraidi main theme music. It just hits me like nails on a chalk board. HOWEVER, that being said, I have always hated the Robotech Minmay songs, and after watching DYRL and SDF Macross have really come to love those Minmay songs. FAR FAR better! A few months later, I purchased Macross Plus, and that was just a whole other level of coolness! Some really cool music in that show! I have no plans to stop listening to or watching the good old "R" show from time to time. I don't care about the politics of it all, The Robotech Soundtrack will always have a place in my music library. just my .02 Edited November 2, 2009 by derex3592
anime52k8 Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven The Robotech soundtrack sucks. all the background music sounds like an epileptic drunk wailing on a keyboard synthesizer, and the "songs" literally cause physical pain. the only good part was the OP theme, which I do like better than the Macross OP music, but that's 99% because it's a rip-off of John Williams' score for the original superman movie.
Einherjar Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 It's always going to be the Superman rip-off theme that people are going to remember about Robotech. The rest varies, even the ones with vocals.
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I just purchased the ADV Macross set. And I can tell you I wont be listening to the dub. I can't stand the fact they call the "Macross" the "Muh-cross". So I will only be watching it in original Japanese with subs, to avoid wear and tear on my Animego set.
VFTF1 Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 The Robotech soundtrack sucks. all the background music sounds like an epileptic drunk wailing on a keyboard synthesizer, and the "songs" literally cause physical pain. I'm officially adding anime52k8 to my list of official spokesmen. So now, remember - just because I might be sleeping, you can still hear my opinions my just reading anime52k8 or Keith. Pete
Keith Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven It took me 3 viewings of Macross to wash the memory of that garbage out of my head. So the answer is I don't think about it, and anyone who tries to make me gets punched in the face.
Seto Kaiba Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 The Robotech soundtrack sucks. all the background music sounds like an epileptic drunk wailing on a keyboard synthesizer, and the "songs" literally cause physical pain. the only good part was the OP theme, which I do like better than the Macross OP music, but that's 99% because it's a rip-off of John Williams' score for the original superman movie. I once handed over a copy of the Robotech soundtrack to a friend of mine who frequents the nightclub scene as a DJ as part of a bet that he couldn't make something listenable out of it. I ended up forfeiting out of sheer amusement when he handed me something that sounded suspiciously like a porno soundtrack that he's created by remixing a bunch of the character BGM. I ought to see if I still have it, it'll make the perfect soundtrack for the all-pornstar movie cast.
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I once handed over a copy of the Robotech soundtrack to a friend of mine who frequents the nightclub scene as a DJ as part of a bet that he couldn't make something listenable out of it. I ended up forfeiting out of sheer amusement when he handed me something that sounded suspiciously like a porno soundtrack that he's created by remixing a bunch of the character BGM. I ought to see if I still have it, it'll make the perfect soundtrack for the all-pornstar movie cast. If you still have it Seto, I wouldn't mind a copy, out of sheer curiosty and possible amusement.
HappyPenguins Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven The Robotech soundtrack is okay, and I do like some of the music but not all of it. and yes I know there's a lot of synth usage lol but that's the 80's for ya.. same amount of synth scores in those cheesy horror movies too. And I have gotten to listen to some of the original macross music and I liked some of it especially the zentraedi theme, and in my opinion it just sounds better. but hell I would take the Robotech soundtrack over TSC soundtrack any day.
VFTF1 Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 Well - just for the record: I am a big fan of synth music and 80s glam rock in general. But I hate Robotech. so I hate the music too - no matter how much synth they have. And there is one simple reason for it: Go turn on Macross SDFM TV please. Now turn down the volume. Now flush the toilet. Hear that sound? Imagine that sound being all you hear while watching Macross - that's Robotech. And just because you sometimes feel better after using the toilet, doesn't make the flushing sound any more desirable to listen to. Pete
terry the lone wolf Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I just purchased the ADV Macross set. And I can tell you I wont be listening to the dub. I can't stand the fact they call the "Macross" the "Muh-cross". So I will only be watching it in original Japanese with subs, to avoid wear and tear on my Animego set. Yeah, I noticed that too; it's really weird..... As for the soundtrack, I really dig the Michael Bradley tunes "Doesn't Really Matter" & "Underground". I also like on the movie soundtrack "Only A Fool" by Gigi Agrama (that song could've been played on 80's radio; real professional) and I like "Flower of Life".
jenius Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 The Robotech background music is PERFECT 80s music. I love it and it makes for good ringtones. Whenever I call my brother his phone plays the Zentraedi theme. The actual songs... not so much although Yellow's songs aren't too bad for cartoon songs (and the Mospeada songs never really excited me other than some occasional Mooootooooocycle freeakk! humor). Macross' bgm (in the original) is classier and works just fine and the songs are obviously top notch in comparison.
Save Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) I like all the music from the original 85, nothing wrong with it considering it comes from a childrens TV show. Today I heard something about Konata from Lucky Star sings the Mospeada opening theme. Which would explain why it's getting played in moe figure shops in Akihabara recently, too bad I thought Mospeada was making a come back. Edited November 2, 2009 by Save
MastaEgg Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 The Robotech OST wasn't bad, but those Minmei songs... oh..my...god... I just purchased the ADV Macross set. And I can tell you I wont be listening to the dub. I can't stand the fact they call the "Macross" the "Muh-cross". So I will only be watching it in original Japanese with subs, to avoid wear and tear on my Animego set. "Mac - ross" FAIL! "Mah cross" FAIL! "Ma - cro - ss" WIN!
VFTF1 Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 That's just dumb. The Macross is supposed to sound remotely like Maguro and therefore the relevence of Hikaru's tuna-fishing adventure in space. Pete
taksraven Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I once handed over a copy of the Robotech soundtrack to a friend of mine who frequents the nightclub scene as a DJ as part of a bet that he couldn't make something listenable out of it. I ended up forfeiting out of sheer amusement when he handed me something that sounded suspiciously like a porno soundtrack that he's created by remixing a bunch of the character BGM. I ought to see if I still have it, it'll make the perfect soundtrack for the all-pornstar movie cast. How are we supposed to know what a porno soundtrack sounds like?? ;) Taksraven
Penguin Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I don't consider either series to have a particularly massive political agenda. Just out of interest, what do people here think of the Robotech soundtrack? Any improvement over the Japanese original? Just wondering. Taksraven IMHO, the BGM is generic and inoffensive, memorable only because it gets drilled into your skull after 85 episodes. As for the vocal tracks, I think the "Yellow Dancer" tunes aren't ear-bleedingly bad like Reba West's Minmay dreck, but I find them only marginally listenable. I've actually got one Robotech song on my iPod... "Call On Me" by Joanne Harris, which I think was from the abandoned movie (at least, I don't remember hearing it in the series).
Awacs Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I've actually got one Robotech song on my iPod... "Call On Me" by Joanne Harris, which I think was from the abandoned movie (at least, I don't remember hearing it in the series). Yep, it was. The movie was.... hilarious in all the wrong ways. Trying to splice together footage from Megazone 23 and SDC:Southern Cross looks absolutely absurd even before you get into the plot. But, unlike the Macross saga they actually got someone in to do the singing who could actually stay in tune........ Karl
Jasonc Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 I actually liked the OST for Robotech. While I like Macross OST much better, the Robotech soundtrack isn't bad at all. Some of the synths music can get a little annoying, but the fact that the songs are so short, it doesn't kill. The orchestra music is pretty good, and there are a few tracks that I find perfect for themes of the Zentraedi, Invid (Inbit), etc. While the Minmay songs are grating, the Michael Bradley songs are good, and fit the era just perfectly.
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) The Robotech OST wasn't bad, but those Minmei songs... oh..my...god... "Mac - ross" FAIL! "Mah cross" FAIL! "Ma - cro - ss" WIN! It's like ADV and HG were deliberately trying to screw up the english dubb. Edited November 3, 2009 by SkullLeaderVF-X
Freiflug88 Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) Here's my casting call list, and I was surprised I wasn't banned earlier from RT.com for it: How could I ever forget that casting call list! Best Robotech cast list ever, not even the Koreans could make a sexier looking Robotech movie! Don't forget that Harmony Gold HQ is located right in LA, the porn studio capital of the world. They wouldn't have to travel far to find such a cast for a Robotech porno . "Mac - ross" FAIL! "Mah cross" FAIL! "Ma - cro - ss" WIN! Exactly! The guys at ADV didn't pronounce pronouce Macross EXACTLY as the Japanese do and completely screwed up the whole ADV set. Now I am going to flush those DVDs down my Robotech OST toilet and enjoy watching "Remember the Tee-tans" and playing "Baha-mute Lagoon." That's just dumb. The Macross is supposed to sound remotely like Maguro and therefore the relevence of Hikaru's tuna-fishing adventure in space. Pete That is interesting. You have to admit though that Macross being pronouced like "tuna" in Japanese is a cultural reference that many westerners such as the dubbing crew at ADV would never be aware of... unless of course Mari Ijima said anything while re-dubbing Minmay. Edited November 4, 2009 by Freiflug88
Renato Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 That is interesting. You have to admit though that Macross being pronouced like "tuna" in Japanese is a cultural reference that many westerners such as the dubbing crew at ADV would never be aware of... unless of course Mari Ijima said anything while re-dubbing Minmay. Doesn't make a difference, the fact remains that Mari Iijima was the only once pronouncing the name correctly in the dub, and either nobody else noticed or didn't care. Moreover, the English pronunciation of "Macross" had already been established in the dubs for MacPlus and MacII, so they ignored/forgot about those too? I agree with SkullLeaderVFX, it sounds like they were trying to screw it up on purpose.
Gubaba Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I agree with SkullLeaderVFX, it sounds like they were trying to screw it up on purpose. I would agree, too...except most ADV dubs sound just as bad.
Seto Kaiba Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 That is interesting. You have to admit though that Macross being pronouced like "tuna" in Japanese is a cultural reference that many westerners such as the dubbing crew at ADV would never be aware of... unless of course Mari Ijima said anything while re-dubbing Minmay. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the origin of the giant tuna. I would agree, too...except most ADV dubs sound just as bad. *shrug* There were a couple good ones, like Full Metal Panic and Saiyuki... but yeah, most of ADV's work is crap. The Macross dub was just SO atrocious that I have no trouble believing Harmony Gold asked/told them to do a substandard job in hopes that people who bought it wouldn't go looking for more Macross.
Freiflug88 Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Doesn't make a difference, the fact remains that Mari Iijima was the only once pronouncing the name correctly in the dub, and either nobody else noticed or didn't care. Moreover, the English pronunciation of "Macross" had already been established in the dubs for MacPlus and MacII, so they ignored/forgot about those too? I agree with SkullLeaderVFX, it sounds like they were trying to screw it up on purpose. They most likely didn't care as they weren't concerened about the fact that Mari Iijima was the only one pronoucing names like Macross and Hikaru Icichiijo correctly. As for Manga's MacPlus and II dubs, every studio does their projects differently to make their dub unique. I don't think it was a consirpacy to ruin the Macross dub though. Time is money and ADV wasn' going to sweat over their VAs mispronouncing Macross and the Japanese names for an english dub that was marketed to RT fans and dub anime fans while diehard Macross Purists and Otaku would only be satisfied with the Sub anyway.
Freiflug88 Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) *shrug* There were a couple good ones, like Full Metal Panic and Saiyuki... but yeah, most of ADV's work is crap. The Macross dub was just SO atrocious that I have no trouble believing Harmony Gold asked/told them to do a substandard job in hopes that people who bought it wouldn't go looking for more Macross. I think its more like ADV just borrowed and edited HG's Macross Saga script and decided to market the the English dub as another DVD set for Robotech fans to buy. As Terry The Lone mentioned a few pages back the ADV dub was done in pretty much the same "spirit" of the Robotech dub with mostly cosmetic revisions. Edited November 4, 2009 by Freiflug88
mospeadamacrosstech Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I get the strong sense that there is little love for Robotech here. (The force is strong with this one)
derex3592 Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I get the strong sense that there is little love for Robotech here. (The force is strong with this one) LOL!
Gubaba Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I get the strong sense that there is little love for Robotech here. (The force is strong with this one) Don't try to be a hero...just move along and nobody'll get hurt...
Renato Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I get the strong sense that there is little love for Robotech here. (The force is strong with this one) Let's just say it's difficult to love an unrepentful serial killer.
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) They most likely didn't care as they weren't concerened about the fact that Mari Iijima was the only one pronoucing names like Macross and Hikaru Icichiijo correctly. As for Manga's MacPlus and II dubs, every studio does their projects differently to make their dub unique. I don't think it was a consirpacy to ruin the Macross dub though. Time is money and ADV wasn' going to sweat over their VAs mispronouncing Macross and the Japanese names for an english dub that was marketed to RT fans and dub anime fans while diehard Macross Purists and Otaku would only be satisfied with the Sub anyway. Ok. But what gets me is the irony of that in RT, they pronounce "Macross" just fine. But low and behold. In the ADV dubbs, I get "Mah-cross". And Gubaba Your right about ADV. Like 97% of there dubb works suck's (I cannot stand Tiffany Grant! ). But still I feel there was no eccuse to mis-pronounce "Macross". All they had to do was watch the subb version, or heaven forbid RT to hear how it should be pronounced. And for the time is money for ADV. They'v never been good managing time nor money. Look at the mess there in now. Edited November 4, 2009 by SkullLeaderVF-X
Keith Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Mah-Ku-Ro-Su or Mah-Crow-ss anything else is flat out wrong. DANGAN SOUL!
Keith Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I like all the music from the original 85, nothing wrong with it considering it comes from a childrens TV show. Today I heard something about Konata from Lucky Star sings the Mospeada opening theme. Which would explain why it's getting played in moe figure shops in Akihabara recently, too bad I thought Mospeada was making a come back. Youtube or other like styled link?
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