Macross Frontier Movie 1,YES it is subbed now edition

[Mercurial Morpheus]

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Sheryl fans are fine...I'm one myself. It's the ZOMG!ALTOxSHERIRU!ORGASMUNCONTROLLABLY!! people that I can't stand...that's just me, though. <img src="http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

You know damn well it's not just you. People not swayed to either side for the win! Though I've warmed up to Sherilu a bit since the series concluded. Who knows, the movie might get me to actually fully like her again.

As for the camrip, time and time again people have demonstrated a preference for speed and convenience over quality. Hence the rise of over-compressed streaming sites like Crunchy Roll and the preference for 6-7 episodes a disc that Funimation fervently believes in. I know I've been curious enough about the film to at least skip through the cam a bit.

And wow, does the new quoting system create a lot of indecipherable garbage. No use wading through that.

EDIT: Looking at the preview the guy posted, while the video and sound are perfectly clear enough to watch (minus the macroblocking), the camera is at an angle, with a guy's shoulder in the way (at least for those first two minutes), and nothing's been done about the projection flicker so far. I've seen worse, but I'd say hold off ye of some patience (I know you no patience guys don't care either way)[he says whilst loading the torrents for a lark anyway]. Pretty low key start too.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Mercurial Morpheus

[Vespaeda]

Two personal reports which give me great pleasure to share:

I'm preparing to PCS out of Okinawa after 3yrs[last 6mos in Khandahar]. I've been treating myself to frequent shopping hunts @used book stores, hobby shops and Aeon/Jusco stores for gunpla, hobby mags & collectibles. My favorite place is a huge,24HR indoor flea market in Naha City, just across from the JSDF air base.

I've scored dozens of old skool, U.C. Gundam, Dunbine & SPT Layzner kits, and two 1/48 Yamato Valks--one a Fokker '-1S' for my retiring LPO-'senpai', who grew up on it in P.I. Currently considering buying 1 of 4 avail. Queadlrunn 1/60s for $60 ea. All these and other gashopons, music & DVDs for pretty much dirt over the last 2yrs. Last weekend I scored Mac-F, OST 1 & 2 for $40!!!

Best part: the girl checking out my purchases helped me differentiate an "audio drama"-version of the CDs from the sndtrks and went on to tell me the Mac-F movie was playing in the heart of downtown[Kokusai St., if anyone is familiar] at an eclectic, indie/foreign movie cinema called "SakuraZaka".

Finally went & watched it last night after a good fitness ride on my roadbike from Chatan[ride video on FB shortly, plus a brief glimpse of the cinema lobby!].

Freakin awesome on a big screen with crisp colors/sound! The VF vs. Vajra action was sparse compared to the series, but graphically all the space and colony/Mac-Qtr shots were pretty breath-taking. I've still never experienced the same, awe-inspiring visual impact in a US/Pixar anime(mebbe parts of Wall-E), particularly the VF-25 maneuvering and dogfighting. The Macross cannon shots & the Canaria's Monster-in-action made me feel like a kid watching "Robotech" for the first time a million yrs ago...[NOTE: I said "KID"--includes figuring in the distorted "sparkle & glitter" perception of "HOLYSH&T!!!" only grade schooler's eyes see with!]

I only understand fragments of conversational Nihong. Besides watching series subs on DailyMotion and the work of the faithful here on MW to elucidate the story over the past 2 years, I could tell it was a condensation in the spirit of DYRL. A lot of the homage scenes(Alto in gerwalk protecting Ranka in the street w/the autocannon and the finale vs. the Vajra[won't say anymore in case its a spoiler]) just made up for any dry drama or character snubs in the overall story.

Looking for an excuse to see it again.

On a side note & hoping not to p*ss-off mods for off-topic, but the theater lobby had some collectibles[mags, towels, t-shirts, Nan-nan bowls]. Anyone who may be interested in stuff from here or the discount flea market[i'm not a veteran swag/trade seller, but I'm honest], I'd be willing, within reason, to try and hook you up, for slightly more than cost[eg: gashopon, Mac-F 'SD' desk figurines, ~4" high, vinyl of VF-25, Alto, VF-27 & QueadRau are ~980yen, 'bout $10. If thats crazy, oh well, but if you really want/'need', I'd be able to facilitate.

Anyone interested, PM' me and I'll try & compile a list of avail. swag. I've got <7days now, then 2wks in June to do this, then I'm outta here.

Vespaeda

[nexxstrait]

I'm curious, for those of you who have seen the movie: is there any new VF171 Battroid footage in it?

[rankalee]

Awesome, Vespaeda!!! Thanks for your review. It was very exciting!!!

[Tochiro]

Vespaeda - sounds like you had a really good time! I'm glad that someone else on the boards has managed not only to see it but see it at the actual cinema. I COMPLETELY know what you mean about it feeling epic on the big screen. Its a shame that more people cant experience it like this and is the reason I catch as much anime at the cinema in Japan as possible (saw Eva 1.0 twice, 2.0 three times, Mac F twice, Summer Wars, and recently caught Trigun Badlands Rumble, etc). Its one of those experiences which is harder to get outside of Japan.

As for people playing with cam rips - is patience really that rare among todays fans. I mean, does anyone else remember the wait we had between the VHS volumes of Macross Plus 3 and 4 while Manga Ent. got their legal issues sorted? Seemed like an eternity sure, but I didnt touch the crappy quality Hong Kong VHS bootlegs because I loved the show and knew the wait would be worth it. The Mac F DVD/Blu will be out soon enough people, the wait wont kill you. And unlike those of us who actually buy the thing to support the show, most of you will be downloading a rip in some form for free (cant say I blame people for this since there never will be an official English version for the Japanese impaired). Why ruin the experience with shaky camrips? Doesnt the show we love deserve better than that?

[Vespaeda]

"....is there addt'nl VF-171 footage in battroid?"-Nexxstrait,

Well, honestly no battroid footage I could remember.

However, it is with my deepest regret[shared...sob,..sob..]... , to report that during a what I believe was possibly 'DYRL-homage' sequences while Sharon sang, there was a brief amount of VF-171 'pwnage' like cannon fodder....

Does anyone actually know what the canonical reason is that the VF-171s can't hack it like the '25 Messiahs in the dogfights? Can't just be because of rank & file G.I./NUNS pilots are inferior?

[Mercurial Morpheus]

It really depends more on what one feels ruins the experience more: a. watching a low-quality version (which really depends on one's definition of low quality, most people I know have no squabbles with issues that personally drive me nuts for example [namely compression]), b. having most of the plot spoiled by internet discussion (easier than you think depending on how much one surfs, I know I tried the Eva 2.0 rip because i was already getting massive spoilers from jackasses on Youtube commenting on the trailers) or c. waiting so long as to no longer care about it anyway (I know I'm sort of at that point, so merely sampling the rip ups the meter a bit and has restored my fondness for "Universal Bunny"). Though really, it's all down to personal preference on what the quality threshold is. Personally, I can't stand how acceptable watching anime on highly compressed streams like Crunchyroll and Youtube has become (Hulu's about the only decent quality free stream I've seen, though my standards are obviously higher than most as I tend to find most TV based HD channels overcompressed, to say nothing of online). Some would even argue Vespaeda "ruined' the experience by watching it raw, missing the nuances of the story, no matter the picture quality.

I think most people know what they're getting into when it comes to a cam rip, so I'd say let them decide whether it "ruins" it moreso than the alternatives(aside from the shoulder, I've seen much worse anyway). Especially since we don't even have a date for the BD, and know full well that it's not hitting US shores probably ever. So who are you or I to say that it's "ruined". I'm not saying it's ideal, far from it, nor do I intend to actually watch the whole thing, but after what, seven months with no release date in site, can you blame one's curiosity?

As for today's anime fan, that's a whole 'nother thread. Fansubs tend to look better than Funi's overcompressed DVDs. the success of streaming has pretty much touted that convenience and cost will always trump quality. I can't count the number of times I've heard people bitch about the price of DVDs where I point out that one can now buy entire series in both languages for the price of one subbed tape a decade ago. Evangelion on remastered DVD - about $60, Evangelion on subtitled VHS (how I own it [and they really did look just as good as ADV abysmal first DVDs]) $390. It's like buy two, get the next 11 volumes, plus the dub set (another 300 dollar value) for free.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Does anyone actually know what the canonical reason is that the VF-171s can't hack it like the '25 Messiahs in the dogfights? Can't just be because of rank & file G.I./NUNS pilots are inferior?

I seem to remember that the Messiah was privately funded by the SMS, and so it's specs exceeded the VF-171. They also were secret, so while the VF-27 was built to exceed the 171, it naturally was without knowledge of the 25's abilities. As for against the Vajra, who knows? My guess is that the producers needed cannon fodder, and since the VF-25 was supposed to be this high tech machine, they used the VF-171 instead. Makes the VF-25 look better, like it's supposed to. Sort of why one wouldn't want to pilot a brown VF-1.

[Vespaeda]

"Vespaeda - sounds like you had a really good time! I'm glad that someone else on the boards has managed not only to see it but see it at the actual cinema."--Tochiro

Yes, an understatement! I've known about this theater for ~1-1/2 yr and never took the time to come[Actually, wasted some opportunities because I'd been hoping to bring somebody who "..looked & smelled a lot better than me after a 20K bike ride"!! ]

It definitely could have used some MW'ers, local otaku or more people who'd appreciate it as Japanese cinema experience. Small group of ~12-15 people sat in on my viewing and in true Japanese social etiquette, were silent as church mice throughout[no cheering, laughing,"Whoa..Sugoi!"] and stayed till the very last credit scrolled by. No 'easter eggs' at the end .

Low turn-out could be due to "Golden Week" just ending...

[Keith]

I seem to remember that the Messiah was privately funded by the SMS, and so it's specs exceeded the VF-171. They also were secret, so while the VF-27 was built to exceed the 171, it naturally was without knowledge of the 25's abilities. As for against the Vajra, who knows? My guess is that the producers needed cannon fodder, and since the VF-25 was supposed to be this high tech machine, they used the VF-171 instead. Makes the VF-25 look better, like it's supposed to. Sort of why one wouldn't want to pilot a brown VF-1.

No, the VF-171 is just an upgrade of an outdated design, i.e. the VF-1X was an upgraded VF-1, but still a old outdated fighter. The VF-25 & VF-27 were both designed to exceed the proposed VF-24 design.

[nexxstrait]

I mean, does anyone else remember the wait we had between the VHS volumes of Macross Plus 3 and 4 while Manga Ent. got their legal issues sorted?

Oh, I remember when I finally got my hands on the last VHS after the longest cliffhanger of anime history. Pure awesomeness.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

No, the VF-171 is just an upgrade of an outdated design, i.e. the VF-1X was an upgraded VF-1, but still a old outdated fighter. The VF-25 & VF-27 were both designed to exceed the proposed VF-24 design.

Yeah, that too.

[sketchley]

Does anyone actually know what the canonical reason is that the VF-171s can't hack it like the '25 Messiahs in the dogfights? Can't just be because of rank & file G.I./NUNS pilots are inferior?

Yes there is. It's in Macross Chronicles. See my signature for a link on where to find those translations.

[MacrossCN]

MF Movie was leaked!!!

Edited May 14, 2010 by kresphy

[azrael]

MF Movie was leaked!!!

Yes, we know. But some of us would rather watch it in Blu-Ray-greatness....on a large TV....without the noise of a crowd.

[MisaForever]

Yes, we know. But some of us would rather watch it in Blu-Ray-greatness....on a large TV....without the noise of a crowd.

A subtitled AVI file on my computer monitor would be just fine, thanks. Without the noise of a crowd.

[Germán]

Thank you so very much for the info Kresphy.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Final part is actually out. Though I only mention it to point out that the guy who released it obviously has some sort of skewed superiority complex. Telling the "b!tches" that uploaded his crappy raw without the needless raring to die and such. Of more important note, the thread marked "Die B!tches" claims the BD comes out next month. Hopefully true.

Edited May 15, 2010 by Mercurial Morpheus

[Strumvogel]

Of more important note, the thread marked "Die B!tches" claims the BD comes out next month. Hopefully true.

I don't know, that seems quite unlikely. They usually want to market it for a couple of months at least to ensure proper market saturation to ensure highest sales possible.

So I don't think that's happening. We're really going to have to wait till the festival they're holding in august before we have proper news about the BD.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Probably. I don't know the usual period for Japanese releases (US is usually 5-6 months except for Christmas films). It still cracks me up how angry he gets about his own rip. He probably didn't even cam it. Just stuffed it in rars after grabbing it off a Japanese P2P. Some people...

Any word when the second comes out? I can see them holding the BD until just before to drum up interest in the new film.

[Jasonc]

This guy with the camrip seems like a pretty dumb prick with his whiny attitude. At the same time, the people who "need" the stupid camrip feed that attitude. Not much you can do there.

[Strumvogel]

Probably. I don't know the usual period for Japanese releases (US is usually 5-6 months except for Christmas films). It still cracks me up how angry he gets about his own rip. He probably didn't even cam it. Just stuffed it in rars after grabbing it off a Japanese P2P. Some people...

Any word when the second comes out? I can see them holding the BD until just before to drum up interest in the new film.

The added problem with camrips is the size of the things. Considering just how bad they are it's not helped by the size of the files, which considering the resolution of the damn things could have been just a fraction of the size. I haven't checked this guy's rips yet but the reported fact that it's split into multiple files means that it's stupidly large. Why anyone would want them is a mystery to me.

As for the word on the second movie, nothing as of yet. We're going to have to wait to the aforementioned festival in August for that news as well. Which doesn't sound too hopeful for me as I was planning to be in the country round late October and two months is barely enough time to advertise the movie properly before releasing it.

[spacemanoeuvres]

I skimmed a camrip last night. I think it's the one referenced in this thread as it was originally released in 8 or 9 parts but thankfully someone joined and released them as one file.

It wasn't a great copy, there's some dude in the way the whole movie and the screen flickered quite a bit. As for the file size *shrugs* these things are worth exactly what you pay for them so it's hard to complain.

I was really excited that this became available but it's unwatchable IMHO. Anxious to see a high def copy.

[Renato]

Oh, I remember when I finally got my hands on the last VHS after the longest cliffhanger of anime history. Pure awesomeness.

Tell me about it. I remember the wait was well over a year in the UK. I couldn't take it anymore and got my uncle to send the US version over. I remember popping it in the VCR the second it came through the post... and approximately 35 minutes later, I went "woah". I was a little disappointed, though. No scenes with the Eden characters, no epilogue, it felt like it was missing something. I felt vindicated when I got to see the movie edition the following year. By that point I had waited 2 or 3 years for the REAL ending.

So... yeah. This is NOTHING.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

The added problem with camrips is the size of the things. Considering just how bad they are it's not helped by the size of the files, which considering the resolution of the damn things could have been just a fraction of the size. I haven't checked this guy's rips yet but the reported fact that it's split into multiple files means that it's stupidly large. Why anyone would want them is a mystery to me.

As for the word on the second movie, nothing as of yet. We're going to have to wait to the aforementioned festival in August for that news as well. Which doesn't sound too hopeful for me as I was planning to be in the country round late October and two months is barely enough time to advertise the movie properly before releasing it.

Actually, it appears he split it simply to hold parts hostage in a vain attempt for donations. Then he got pissed some guy upped the unrared version (apparently, he claims some guys joked about reporting him). He didn't even span the rars properly even. Like I said, the guy's got a real superiority/God complex (read @$$hole). No one "needs" the camrip, which is why his attitude is even more hilarious. As for the filesize, chalk it up to lousy encoding. It's a WMV9, which isn't the most efficient codec out there, at about 900megs, which is peanuts for a 2 hour file. That codec at that length, with that many source problems? I'd encode to at least standard two CD size (about 1.3gigs). Given the quality, I can't really complain about the size. Not like I'm archiving, and if you're on dial-up, it's not worth it to begin with, regardless of size. You think he could've used an anti-flicker filter, but this guys clearly an amateur. He probably uses the software that came with his camera. All he does is cams.

About the only thing going for it is that it's not oppressively dark like the Eva 2.0, and the sounds okay. Like i said before, anyone bothering with it should already know what they're wasting their bandwidth on anyway.

[azrael]

Any word when the second comes out? I can see them holding the BD until just before to drum up interest in the new film.

IIRC, the projected date is tentatively, October 2010. It hasn't been set in stone however.

[magnuskn]

Sheryl fans are fine...I'm one myself. It's the ZOMG!ALTOxSHERIRU!ORGASMUNCONTROLLABLY!! people that I can't stand...that's just me, though.

Oh, look, prejudice.

Edited May 16, 2010 by magnuskn

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Shame they're being so secretive as to any release date. Guess it's not as bad as Giant Robo.

Edited May 16, 2010 by Mercurial Morpheus

[Gubaba]

Oh, look, prejudice.

Whatever, dude. You know my reasons.

[Zinjo]

"....is there addt'nl VF-171 footage in battroid?"-Nexxstrait,

Well, honestly no battroid footage I could remember.

However, it is with my deepest regret[shared...sob,..sob..]... , to report that during a what I believe was possibly 'DYRL-homage' sequences while Sharon sang, there was a brief amount of VF-171 'pwnage' like cannon fodder....

Does anyone actually know what the canonical reason is that the VF-171s can't hack it like the '25 Messiahs in the dogfights? Can't just be because of rank & file G.I./NUNS pilots are inferior?

I've watched bits of the cam-release and the VF-171's were treated with a bit more respect in "False Diva" than in the series (IMO). Yeah they got owned by the Vajra, but in the film they were shown actually putting up a respectable fight considering they were outmatched by creatures with self generating DEWs and missiles, the ability to fly through space without any propulsion and to space fold at will.

Now the VF-25 fighter line had returned to higher caliber gun pod rounds and were loaded out with additional armaments in the FAST packs and Armor Pack. So naturally they'd show up the standard issue VF-171.

It would be the equivalent of dog fighting in an F-14 vs an F-35. Both are capable fighters, but the Lightning II has the newest technologies and advancements that the F-14 doesn't, giving it a substantial edge over the Tomcat.

[magnuskn]

Whatever, dude. You know my reasons.

Yeah, but I expect something better from you than labeling Sheryl X Alto fans "those people". Those a pretty laden words.

[Gubaba]

Yeah, but I expect something better from you than labeling Sheryl X Alto fans "those people". Those a pretty laden words.

Undoubtedly you're right. But this isn't really the thread in which to discuss it.

You can PM me about it if you'd like.

[magnuskn]

Undoubtedly you're right. But this isn't really the thread in which to discuss it.

Since your words triggered one half page of anti- AxS fan and anti-AnimeSuki bile, I thought it necessary to comment on it.

[Oihan]

I know the thread description "says" to stop asking...but...is there a release date yet? >_< *cries* I need my fix!!! It's been far too long!

[Seto Kaiba]

I know the thread description "says" to stop asking...but...is there a release date yet? >_< *cries* I need my fix!!! It's been far too long!

Azrael said the projected release date was October 2010, but not set in stone by any means.