Macross II

[Vifam7]

Macross II : `The Movie` was never an official Japan release was it? It was just a Manga Video hack job right?

No, it was never an official Japan release. Macross II was always a 6-part OAV series in Japan. I don't recall who hacked it up in the first place. I remember this "movie" version being shown in small independent theaters here in the U.S. I remember seeing it at the Key Theater in Washington DC. It could've been U.S. Renditions as they were the first to release it here (U.S.) on VHS.

Edited October 27, 2009 by Vifam7

[ShadowValkyrie]

I enjoyed it for the most part-- all though destroying the Macross still bugs the hell out of me. It's a fun little story and the mecha designs were actually pretty good.

[sketchley]

Macross II : `The Movie` was never an official Japan release was it? It was just a Manga Video hack job right?

To the best of my knowledge, yes, it was never released in Japan.

(Source: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B6%85%E6%....82.B9.E3.83.88

which can be compared to Macross Plus: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%....82.B9.E3.83.88 (specifically the mentioning of the movie edition))

[Ginrai]

Hack job? All they did was take out the opening and closing theme on all the episodes but the first OP and last ED. They didn't even cut out the title cards.

[MastaEgg]

I enjoyed it for the most part-- all though destroying the Macross still bugs the hell out of me. It's a fun little story and the mecha designs were actually pretty good.

I kinda enjoyed too, but the dub was really awful. There were some nice ideas like the culture park and the use of destroids again. Kinda dissapointed the UN Spacy goes back to their old ways and hides stuff from the public, considering that it led their downfall in the original series.

Anyone think that Hibiki's rather flamboyant friend may have been the inspiration for Bobby in Frontier? Considering that they're both hairdressers and all...

[Seto Kaiba]

No, it was never an official Japan release. Macross II was always a 6-part OAV series in Japan.

And what's REALLY odd about that is Haruhiko Mikimoto professes to prefer the movie version.

Anyone think that Hibiki's rather flamboyant friend may have been the inspiration for Bobby in Frontier? Considering that they're both hairdressers and all...

It's certainly possible... though the few artbooks that cover him in any depth insist that he's straight, though his in-series dialogue leans more towards "bisexual but prefers women".

[MilSpex]

To the best of my knowledge, yes, it was never released in Japan.

I think you`re right, yahoo auctions, jp wikipedia and amazon.co.jp yielded no MII movie editions for me.

[MilSpex]

Hack job? All they did was take out the opening and closing theme on all the episodes but the first OP and last ED. They didn't even cut out the title cards.

I wasnt using `hack` in the sense of hacking off parts of the stories but as in amateur.

Compared to Mac Plus Movie Edition which had new animation and a streamlined continuity it was a hack job. Any hack could make MII the movie with two VCRs.

Edited October 28, 2009 by MilSpex

[jenius]

I don't think you can say Bobby was influenced by the hairdresser in MacII because the hairdressing aspect of both characters is playing up on an existing stereotype.

[TheLoneWolf]

I doubt that Bobby's creation was inspired by Mash, the only thing that they have in common is feminine mannerisms. Kawamori hasn't seen Macross II, and I doubt that Risa Ebata was inspired by a minor character who only had 6 or 7 lines in Macross II. It's just a coincidence.

edit: It's been a while since I've seen MII, but is Mash supposed to be a hairdresser? I thought he only accompanied Hibiki and Ishtar to the salon, but didn't actually work there.

Edited October 28, 2009 by TheLoneWolf

[Kicker773]

no i think he owns the salon that took care of Ishtar's new appearance.. should have kept her hair long though

[Ginrai]

I wasnt using `hack` in the sense of hacking off parts of the stories but as in amateur.

Compared to Mac Plus Movie Edition which had new animation and a streamlined continuity it was a hack job. Any hack could make MII the movie with two VCRs.

Uh and Macross Plus The Movie was written before the OAV and the entire time it was intended to be done as the movie. The OVA was expanded from the movie. That is not a very good example. Whatever, Manga barely touched it. Give me a break.

[Marzan]

I doubt that Bobby's creation was inspired by Mash, the only thing that they have in common is feminine mannerisms. Kawamori hasn't seen Macross II, and I doubt that Risa Ebata was inspired by a minor character who only had 6 or 7 lines in Macross II. It's just a coincidence.

edit: It's been a while since I've seen MII, but is Mash supposed to be a hairdresser? I thought he only accompanied Hibiki and Ishtar to the salon, but didn't actually work there.

Kawamori hasn't seen Macross II?? Is that a fact? I can understand him not liking it, but he must have at least seen it once, right?

[Gubaba]

Kawamori hasn't seen Macross II?? Is that a fact? I can understand him not liking it, but he must have at least seen it once, right?

At the time of Macrosses Plus and 7, he said he hadn't seen it. I dunno if it's still true, though...

[Seto Kaiba]

edit: It's been a while since I've seen MII, but is Mash supposed to be a hairdresser? I thought he only accompanied Hibiki and Ishtar to the salon, but didn't actually work there.

Actually, according to the few publications that mention him in any detail, Mash is in fact a stylist at that salon (and quite possibly its owner).

Edited October 28, 2009 by Seto Kaiba

[Keith]

Bobby & Mash both share being homosexual retakes on Claudia's role, so it's natural they'd be ismilar regardless of whether or not Kawamori has seen II (and my personal opinion is that he has seen it).

[Seto Kaiba]

Bobby & Mash both share being homosexual retakes on Claudia's role, so it's natural they'd be ismilar regardless of whether or not Kawamori has seen II (and my personal opinion is that he has seen it).

Two things...

First, while I agree with you that Bobby fills a similar role in Macross Frontier to Claudia's role in DYRL and Super Dimension Fortress Macross, I don't think we can say the same for Mash, because his role is just too small.

Second, Mash isn't gay. Bisexual, maybe, and certainly an effeminate dresser, but they never fail to mention that he's just friends with Hibiki, and attracts lots of women on his own. The dub sort of played it up a bit by giving him a feminine voice, but the original voice cast gives Mash a very masculine tone. Not to mention that when Hibiki calls him at that bar early in the OVA, he's literally surrounded by women...

[Gubaba]

Second, Mash isn't gay. Bisexual, maybe, and certainly an effeminate dresser, but they never fail to mention that he's just friends with Hibiki, and attracts lots of women on his own. The dub sort of played it up a bit by giving him a feminine voice, but the original voice cast gives Mash a very masculine tone. Not to mention that when Hibiki calls him at that bar early in the OVA, he's literally surrounded by women...

I always just thought they were faghags...

[VF5SS]

I thought Mash was a newhalf.

[Seto Kaiba]

I always just thought they were faghags...

Eh, the artbooks would have us believe that Mash is very popular with the ladies... though he does make a few leading remarks that give ample cause to suspect that he's bi, rather than straight. Definitely not hard gay though.

I thought Mash was a newhalf.

And now the discussion reaches a whole new level of awkward.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Seto Kaiba

[Keith]

Gay is gay, not a judgement, just a fact. Second, Claudia became Hikaru's defacto romance advisor, and nudge for Misa, so did Mash for Hibiki, and nudge for Ishtar. Regardless of how short the screentime was.

Dennis = Roy

Mash = Claudia

Edited October 29, 2009 by Keith

[MilSpex]

Uh and Macross Plus The Movie was written before the OAV and the entire time it was intended to be done as the movie. The OVA was expanded from the movie.

I didn`t know that.

That is not a very good example. Whatever, Manga barely touched it. Give me a break.

Any amateur hack could take out the endings and openings of a title and repackage it as a completely different title to resell to dumb fans. Like me for example, before this thread. Manga video ARE hacks as in amateurs. Official Japan releases only please.

[Desty_Nova]

It was okay. There were a few bits in the plot that make no sense whatsoever, the mecha designs were kind of crap and the music ( with the exception of the OP ) was forgettable but overall it's not that bad.

I don't see where the comparison to DYRL comes from. The only similarities I saw were the attempted capture of sylvie&whatshername and the way the series ended.

[Ginrai]

Any amateur hack could take out the endings and openings of a title and repackage it as a completely different title to resell to dumb fans. Like me for example, before this thread. Manga video ARE hacks as in amateurs. Official Japan releases only please.

For christ's sake, you miss absolutely no footage. Sticking "the movie" on it is dumb, but it is not a hackjob. Clash of the Bionoids is a hackjob.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

I looked at it years later as a rehashed DYRL? that took place 80 years later. It was enjoyable for the mecha porn, and music, definitely action packed, but very light on story. I liked most of the mecha designs, though to this day, I still find the VF-2SS fighter mode to be kind of weird.

[Uxi]

I loved the Mecha, especially the Metal Siren, VF-2SS SAP, and the Marduk Commanders armor. Also prefer the Destroids over the originals, especially the Phalanx-II.

The story was pretty good, too, even if it seems like a complete rehash of DYRL.

[RedWolf]

Well I admit I liked Ishtar's character design.

Also that translator device seems nifty. You don't see a portable translator in the Studio Nue continuity.

[Marzan]

Well I admit I liked Ishtar's character design.

Also that translator device seems nifty. You don't see a portable translator in the Studio Nue continuity.

Ishtar is definely one of the prettiest characters in all of Macross. Especially with the long hair

[505thAirborne]

The best way to enjoy Macross II is to watch it Subtitled, the English Dub is really bad and makes it a bad viewing experience. the story is a bit weak & episode 6 was horrid on Animation, they were either really behind or low on funds.

But the mecha is awesome, VF-2SS, Metal Siren, VF-2JA Icarus & Macross Cannons!!!

[D.D. Ivanov]

the English Dub is really bad and makes it a bad viewing experience.

"Mash, it's Hibiki on the phone..."

[Protoculture]

Seriously, having Valk designs not by Kawamori gave a refreshing look in M2. Having character designs by Haruhiko Mikimoto is definitely a plus. So the story is kinda meh, but having New UN Spacey beaten to a pulp by Marduk is definitely something to look for (yes to mecha porn).

But having next gen Destroids are the next best thing in M2.

[Seto Kaiba]

Ishtar is definely one of the prettiest characters in all of Macross. Especially with the long hair

No kidding... there's a lot more Mikimoto art of Ishtar than most people realize, on account of all the promo materials and the art that was made for the novels.

"Mash, it's Hibiki on the phone..."

DEFINITELY not one of the prouder moments in the history of dubbing... lulzy in the extreme, but god-awful in its own way.

Seriously, having Valk designs not by Kawamori gave a refreshing look in M2. Having character designs by Haruhiko Mikimoto is definitely a plus. So the story is kinda meh, but having New UN Spacey U.N. Spacy beaten to a pulp by Marduk Mardook is definitely something to look for (yes to mecha porn).

But having next gen Destroids are the next best thing in M2.

'kay, I've fulfilled my duty as the leader of the Macross II nitpick patrol... now onto the content.

I've always thought that the Valkyries from Macross II and its prequels were some of the best-looking mecha in Macross. I think the slightly more Gundam-like aesthetic really works well for post-DYRL Macross, and the clear design evolution linking all the fighters together, coupled with more logical transformations doesn't hurt my feelings any either. I'll never understand why people badmouth the Valkyrie II... especially since so many of them seem to do so based on the appearance of the 1/100 transforming toy (which didn't exactly follow the proportions of the line art) rather than the actual appearance of the fighter in the OVA itself. Not a huge fan of the 2nd Gen destroids, but the Defender-EX and Phalanx Kai were nice, and the Gerwalkroid was an interesting concept too.

[Marzan]

The best way to enjoy Macross II is to watch it Subtitled, the English Dub is really bad and makes it a bad viewing experience. the story is a bit weak & episode 6 was horrid on Animation, they were either really behind or low on funds.

But the mecha is awesome, VF-2SS, Metal Siren, VF-2JA Icarus & Macross Cannons!!!

The Macross cannons are just amazing. I don't think they've been topped so far...

[Gian]

Yamato seriously needs to make the VF-2ss toys in the 1/60 scale!

+1

That would be awesome!

[505thAirborne]

"Mash, it's Hibiki on the phone..."

lol, Exactly!!!