HG and Robotech Debates

[Freiflug88]

As long as HG is the one behind the creativity then yes, but if someone else can take the reins, then RT can continue without Rick Hunter.

I believe this could be the case with WB's handling of the Robotech LAM. I can't remeber where exactly, but I remember at one recent con Tommy Yune was rambling on about how the Robotech Universe was so big and diverse that you could easily add in any"Jack Archer"-ish characters and back stories like they did in Robotech Battlecry. It sounded to me like Yune was trying to hint to fans not to be utterly shocked or disappointed if the LAM doesn't center on Rick Hunter. I can see Yune's point though, since they most likely aren't going to use the whole love triangle plot due to the legal issues it only makes sense to scratch out Rick Hunter in place of another character like Jack Archer.

[DarrinG]

Hate the Jack Archer and fast-food-quick add-on characters. They're usually developed in such a shallow way you care less for them than a CF pilot.

I want to see Tobey (or someone else appropriate) as Rick if the focus of the RLAM is on the Macross portion.

Come on WB - surprise us with your smarts and the sweet deal you'll make with BW to skirt on this nonsense that's gone on for ages.

BW can then release it in Japanese as Macross LAM in return for some legal leeway here. And all the RB haters can watch that version subtitled in Engrish . . . (there, everyone's happy)

[Gubaba]

Hate the Jack Archer and fast-food-quick add-on characters. They're usually developed in such a shallow way you care less for them than a CF pilot.

I want to see Tobey (or someone else appropriate) as Rick if the focus of the RLAM is on the Macross portion.

Isn't he a little too old?

Come on WB - surprise us with your smarts and the sweet deal you'll make with BW to skirt on this nonsense that's gone on for ages.

BW can then release it in Japanese as Macross LAM in return for some legal leeway here. And all the RB haters can watch that version subtitled in Engrish . . . (there, everyone's happy)

Do you really not get it, or are you just posting flamebait...?

[Freiflug88]

Hate the Jack Archer and fast-food-quick add-on characters. They're usually developed in such a shallow way you care less for them than a CF pilot.

Would you like a Protoculture Milkshake to go with your Super Dimensional Fat Burger and your Fokker Fries?

Seriously, this is going to be a Robotech movie that competes with bayformers. Blockbuster movies are for rotting your brain with shallow characters performing gratuitous sex, violence, and making the CG effects that interact with look even crappier. If you want to entertain yourself with real plot and character development read classic literature or watch old-school anime like Macbeth or Macross.

Isn't he a little too old?

That is it! It just occurred to me why Tobey would be the perfect Rick in the RLAM. Since they can't use the Macross Love triangle story so they are going to replace it with the next best love story: Lolita. Its just as the Topless Robot blogger said "Frankly, Macross is the greatest love story ever told (Lolita is #2)."

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/06/breaki...ech_movie_a.php

[BeyondTheGrave]

wow another toplessrobot reader.

It'll be hard for it to compete with Transformers. Due to the fact that RT hasn't had a series for the 13-19 age group to remember or be excited about. Where as TF has some sort of series on for the last Decade.

I don't think the whole Lolita thing would work. Rick hunter 19 years of age while lusting after a girl that's 12 in space.

But i thought they did a movie similar to that?

Come on WB - surprise us with your smarts and the sweet deal you'll make with BW to skirt on this nonsense that's gone on for ages.

Maybe they bought out HG a while back and are waiting for everyone associated with RT to die resign.

So they can do a merger with bandai.

BW can then release it in Japanese as Macross LAM in return for some legal leeway here. And all the RB haters can watch that version subtitled in Engrish . . . (there, everyone's happy)

doubt it.

Edited August 27, 2009 by BeyondTheGrave

[Whamhammer]

Anyway, thanks for answering my question.

Yooooooooooouuuubetcha!!!

[Seto Kaiba]

Hmmm...the only thing I've ever seen him say about Macross II is that he can tolerate Hibiki better than he can Basara. I guess that's sorta positive...in a way...

Wham's quotin' me, he just didn't use the quote button for some reason... I can't imagine why Wanzer would clam up about Macross II... he's the one who helped me find most of the old Palladium books, and helped get the ball rolling on the project of fixing the errors in them that eventually mutated into my comprehensive reference for the entire Macross alternate universe continuity.

One can interperate one mans help is anothers lambasting, I would definately say I try to give enough berth in my consideration. Those to which I referred to I go by thier tone and words, it was generally negative, generaly devolving into the personal (as opposed to objective) and hardly constructive , per my consideration of what bashing and trolling would be. I try to believe that we are all adults and I judge by that notion. Its is by this guidline that I describe the aforementioned. Does that make help make sence ?

Okay, yeah... usually it stops being criticism and starts being trolling right around the time they dust off the ad hominem attacks. Still, best to just report them to a moderator and ignore them thereafter. "Don't feed the troll" as the saying goes.

I hardly think Robotech is perfect, it is far from it. Robotech is strewn with errors in script and requires a certain level of suspension of disbeleif . In my opinion Shadow Chronicles did fall short in my expectations, I think it required more attention to detail than it recieved ,but I did enjoy it. I also wish they would be more organized and be able to set up thier projects better as to appearing that they have a plan and a timetable and can manage to keep to it. I believe that the product has potential and that as its being presented it is failing to meet that potential.

I hope you fully appreciate just how rare sentiments like these are in the Robotech fanbase. These days, the few remaining vocal fans of Robotech generally adopt the pretense that Robotech is a flawless masterpiece which exceeds the potential and quality of the original works in every way, and that anything based on it must therefore also be a flawless work of art, and react with extreme hostility whenever anyone challenges that assertion.

Of course I'm not talking about any of the HG staff, they have already proven they lack the ability to come up with anything that's not a rip of something else.

I'm saying if someone else could take over, and give the RT fandom something new, then they'd be better off. They have the options of looking for someone else, but apparently they believe crap like TSC is doing so well, that there's no need to find someone with an actual imagination.

Well, yes, but all indications are that Harmony Gold set the bar astonishingly low for Shadow Chronicles. The budget was minuscule, so sales were virtually all profit.

[Whamhammer]

Believe it or not, some Rtech fans arent big on Rick Hunter as much as others. He was fine as he was n the first segment, and I'll slip the leader of the R.E.F. slide by as a "why not". I personally felt that they made too much of a big deal about him. Every generation has its leaders, as it should. If they ended up doing Rick under in a not so ridiculous way, it would be fine with me. There are plenty of characters down the chain of command that could take up the mantle of leadership for the R.E.F. . Heck, I say recall Rook and Rand and have them co-op leadership (I know, I know they werent military........)

[Wanzerfan]

If they get Jason Acuna to play Exedore, I'll die laughing.

Jason is otherwise known as Jackass'

"Wee-Man"

[Rossi]

I also wish they would be more organized and be able to set up thier projects better as to appearing that they have a plan and a timetable and can manage to keep to it. I believe that the product has potential and that as its being presented it is failing to meet that potential.

As another Robotech fan who, admittedly, knows very little of the expanded Macross universe beyond Macross Plus and Macross Frontier (I'm happy to lurk on these boards and gain more insight into the source material), I have to agree with the poster's sentiments within the above statement. It is the lack of a conceivable timetable that frustrates many intelligent, loyal Robotech fans. And if the fine people at HG expect fans to wait years and years for another mediocre story, I think they will be very disappointed. At least I hope so... Perhaps that would persuade the creators to focus on the character development and storytelling elements, right? Less "pretty" pictures and more "fleshed out" characters (insert boob comment here).

I was one of many volunteers who happily received a free copy of the special edition DVD of Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles in order to transcribe a few sections of the special features commentary. As such, I don't complain (much) about the film's shortcomings (it was FREE)... I also don't consider myself a "fanboy" by any means, but the original Robotech saga certainly brings back fond childhood memories. Sadly, the DVD didn't come with blinders that enabled me to ignore its many shortcomings... This doesn't mean I didn't enjoy seeing something new from HG, of course. I just think they can do better.

Perhaps I should give Macross a closer look while I wait and see...

[HappyPenguins]

Believe it or not, some Rtech fans arent big on Rick Hunter as much as others. He was fine as he was n the first segment, and I'll slip the leader of the R.E.F. slide by as a "why not". I personally felt that they made too much of a big deal about him. Every generation has its leaders, as it should. If they ended up doing Rick under in a not so ridiculous way, it would be fine with me. There are plenty of characters down the chain of command that could take up the mantle of leadership for the R.E.F. . Heck, I say recall Rook and Rand and have them co-op leadership (I know, I know they werent military........)

yeah, this I'm aware of because I'm one of the few who doesn't care, I just want a good story to follow.

This doesn't mean I didn't enjoy seeing something new from HG, of course. I just think they can do better.

that's the thing, they CAN but they choose not to. Edited August 27, 2009 by HappyPenguins

[Rossi]

yeah, this I'm aware of because I'm one of the few who doesn't care, I just want a good story to follow.

that's the thing, they CAN but they choose not to.

More like don't have to... Sadly, as long as it has "Robotech" and "new" on the jacket, people will buy it... And the wheel keeps spinning.

[Seto Kaiba]

Believe it or not, some Rtech fans arent big on Rick Hunter as much as others.

Yes, but as indicated by the site polls and the general content posted before, during, and after the Shadow Chronicles release, the vast majority of the remaining fans are quite hung up on Rick Hunter. Finding out what happened to him is one of the major selling points of the movie, and features prominently in the marketing blurb.

If they ended up doing Rick under in a not so ridiculous way, it would be fine with me. There are plenty of characters down the chain of command that could take up the mantle of leadership for the R.E.F. . Heck, I say recall Rook and Rand and have them co-op leadership (I know, I know they werent military........)

No chance of that happening... Tommy Yune knows full well how much the majority of the fanbase is hung up on Rick. He went out of his way to absolve Rick of the potential guilt of having ordered the destruction of Earth in Symphony of Light by having him become the unwitting pawn of the Haydonites. They'll NEVER let him die, because when he dies, they're all out of ideas.

I have to agree with the poster's sentiments within the above statement. It is the lack of a conceivable timetable that frustrates many intelligent, loyal Robotech fans. And if the fine people at HG expect fans to wait years and years for another mediocre story, I think they will be very disappointed.

You'd be a fool not to. Just look at the shitstorm we got when McKeever accidentally said the Shadow Chronicles sequel was on hiatus... he had to publish a retraction in half a dozen places and he's STILL trying to convince people they haven't put the movie on the back burner. They clearly have come to expect that the fans will wait however long it takes for them to squeeze out another feeble installment of Robotech.

At least I hope so... Perhaps that would persuade the creators to focus on the character development and storytelling elements, right? Less "pretty" pictures and more "fleshed out" characters (insert boob comment here).

Why bother? The fan-service will make the movie more appealing to the demographic they're aiming at than a well-written plot with excellent character development will. They're aiming for the 13-18 pocket-mining demographic, that much is perfectly clear.

that's the thing, they CAN but they choose not to.

As has been pointed out many times already in this and other threads, why should Harmony Gold bother putting the effort into making something good, when something mediocre will still be snapped up eagerly two or three times over by the die-hards who form Harmony Gold's main consumer base.

They've demonstrated beyond dispute that their strategy for Robotech's future is to make new products with the minimum possible expenditure of effort and money, and then sell them at a premium to the content-starved fans.

[HappyPenguins]

As has been pointed out many times already in this and other threads, why should Harmony Gold bother putting the effort into making something good, when something mediocre will still be snapped up eagerly two or three times over by the die-hards who form Harmony Gold's main consumer base.

They've demonstrated beyond dispute that their strategy for Robotech's future is to make new products with the minimum possible expenditure of effort and money, and then sell them at a premium to the content-starved fans.

Well that is why they're failures at this point, and a lot of fans are wising up to their BS.

This is also why we need someone else to take over RT, and someone who's not going to half ass everything. I can't say that WB wouldn't be in it only for the money, cause that much is obvious *cough* competing with Bayformers *cough* but it's obvious they can do a hell lot better than HG has.

[Keith]

Of course I'm not talking about any of the HG staff, they have already proven they lack the ability to come up with anything that's not a rip of something else.

I'm saying if someone else could take over, and give the RT fandom something new, then they'd be better off. They have the options of looking for someone else, but apparently they believe crap like TSC is doing so well, that there's no need to find someone with an actual imagination.

As long as HG is the one behind the creativity then yes, but if someone else can take the reins, then RT can continue without Rick Hunter.

I'm not a hard core fan, but I do like it. I watched macross II on television many years ago and downloaded DYRL and watched that. I'm more attracted to some of the art styles more than anything, and I do have a slight interest in Frontier, being that a friend of mine said it has some similarities with my story, so I'm just curious to find out what those are.

Which is just pathetic, he's old now time to move on.

You aren't by chance that dude who was one of the programmers of the N54 robotech game who had a penguin-ey name are you?

Edited August 27, 2009 by Keith

[Keith]

If they get Jason Acuna to play Exedore, I'll die laughing.

Jason is otherwise known as Jackass'

"Wee-Man"

NO! Only one man can play Exedor!

OMG, I just watched the whole clip, OJ could be Britai!!!

Edited August 27, 2009 by Keith

[HappyPenguins]

You aren't by chance that dude who was one of the programmers of the N54 robotech game who had a penguin-ey name are you?

nope, can't say I am ;x

also I'm female

[VFTF1]

Honestly - and I coul be all wrong here - but my gutt feeling is that it's crazy to think that Robotech, starring Tobey Maguire (or however you spell his name), is ever going to be made, let alone that it can compete with Bay's Transformers.

Let me count the ways:

1) From a cheesy general audience point of view- why would a movie with one transforming airplane compete with a movie with lots of Transforming cars and planes?

2) Wasn't Independence Day already done once?

3) Toby Maguire (sic) is a good actor, and he did a good job as Peter Parker - although even then he SOMETIMES came across as LOOKING too old for the part. See, especially in Spiderman II, there are some scenes where it just looks like Tobey is a short old bald guy. This is actually kind of ok for Spiderman, since he's supposed to look "nerdy" and "regular." But "Rick Hunter" is not a "regular" guy in the Peter Parker sense. He's a regular guy in the Tom Cruise Top Gun sense. You need a lead who is going to be handsome and young. Tobey is a great actor, but as Rick Hunter? I just don't see it.

4) The majority of people who this movie will be marketed to don't know who Rick Hunter is and won't find out until they see this movie. Expectations will be low. Unlike with Transformers, where lots of people had certain character templates carved into their memories about what to expect from someone named "Megatron" or "Starscream" or "Bumblebee" or "Optimus Prime" - that's not going to be the case here. So the studios will therefore look at the story and not feel any pressure to "stick with the original" - especially when you consider that the "original" is...NOT ORIGINAL.

5) More important than Tobey and Rick Hunter is the music. Or at least it should be. But of course, in classic Robotech fashion, nobody cares about the music and who would play the Minmey character, and once studio execs listen to "We can win!" they will probably decide to CUT the music/singing theme altogether and just make it a love triangle between a military officer and a "regular girl"

6) Who cares about the aliens? Without music and the predominance of culture - and the whole notion that the aliens are lacking culture and can be swayed by it - then who cares about them? They could just as well be bug looking four eyed slimes. And they just might end up being that.

7) What's my point? Well - my point is that this movie is never going to be made, and if it does get made, it will be something along the lines of Battlefield Earth or that Super Octopus vs Megashark or whatever it was called...

In which case I would personally just prefer that they did a Robotech porn movie. I could live without good CGI. Put them in fourth rate jumpsuits. Just make the chicks hot.

Pete

[jenius]

Well I just got temp banned from Robotech.com.... because of things I've said here!

Tommy never said anything like your quote at Comic-Con or any other convention.(Yes I checked) I’ve always said speculation is fine, however, when you start putting words into my mouth (something you have done over on MacrossWorld)

For the record, Tommy totally did say what I wrote. I quoted from memory though and offered to let Kevin give me the exact quote but instead he freaked out and banned me. Apparently saying something is "Untrue fanboy speculation" is also worlds different from saying "ignorant fanboy."

That's it for me bringing Robotech.com drama to Macrossworld though (for obvious reasons ).

[Gubaba]

Honestly - and I coul be all wrong here - but my gutt feeling is that it's crazy to think that Robotech, starring Tobey Maguire (or however you spell his name), is ever going to be made, let alone that it can compete with Bay's Transformers.

Let me count the ways:

1) From a cheesy general audience point of view- why would a movie with one transforming airplane compete with a movie with lots of Transforming cars and planes?

2) Wasn't Independence Day already done once?

3) Toby Maguire (sic) is a good actor, and he did a good job as Peter Parker - although even then he SOMETIMES came across as LOOKING too old for the part. See, especially in Spiderman II, there are some scenes where it just looks like Tobey is a short old bald guy. This is actually kind of ok for Spiderman, since he's supposed to look "nerdy" and "regular." But "Rick Hunter" is not a "regular" guy in the Peter Parker sense. He's a regular guy in the Tom Cruise Top Gun sense. You need a lead who is going to be handsome and young. Tobey is a great actor, but as Rick Hunter? I just don't see it.

4) The majority of people who this movie will be marketed to don't know who Rick Hunter is and won't find out until they see this movie. Expectations will be low. Unlike with Transformers, where lots of people had certain character templates carved into their memories about what to expect from someone named "Megatron" or "Starscream" or "Bumblebee" or "Optimus Prime" - that's not going to be the case here. So the studios will therefore look at the story and not feel any pressure to "stick with the original" - especially when you consider that the "original" is...NOT ORIGINAL.

5) More important than Tobey and Rick Hunter is the music. Or at least it should be. But of course, in classic Robotech fashion, nobody cares about the music and who would play the Minmey character, and once studio execs listen to "We can win!" they will probably decide to CUT the music/singing theme altogether and just make it a love triangle between a military officer and a "regular girl"

6) Who cares about the aliens? Without music and the predominance of culture - and the whole notion that the aliens are lacking culture and can be swayed by it - then who cares about them? They could just as well be bug looking four eyed slimes. And they just might end up being that.

7) What's my point? Well - my point is that this movie is never going to be made, and if it does get made, it will be something along the lines of Battlefield Earth or that Super Octopus vs Megashark or whatever it was called...

In which case I would personally just prefer that they did a Robotech porn movie. I could live without good CGI. Put them in fourth rate jumpsuits. Just make the chicks hot.

Pete

I also think the movie will never get made...but I think I understand the fans' desire to "imagine" what it would be like.

As you say, it seems like A LOT of RT fans seem to want to cut out the music aspect of the story, as well as start the movie with Zor fighting the Invid.

I *think* there's a certain amount of wish fulfillment here. The RT fans realize that RT is flawed and inconsistent, or else there are certain aspects of the story that they just plain dislike, so they're all creating their own RT movie in their heads, one that addresses all the perceived errors in the original.

Don't like Minmay? Take her out, or change her into a feisty, non-singing pilot.

Wish the "generations" were better connected? Put the Robotech Masters and the Invid into the Macross story.

Don't like the love story? Remove it entirely, or have Rick hook up with Lisa at the end of the movie, with no mopey "emo" stuff running through the story.

Is there some little thing you'd always wished had been shown, or some thing that was in the story that you wish hadn't been? Here's the perfect chance to say what you don't like about RT, but phrase it in the form of a "movie synopsis."

Of course, creating that perfect movie in your head nearly guarantees that if the ACTUAL movie appears, it will fall way short of expectations...

[Gubaba]

Well I just got temp banned from Robotech.com.... because of things I've said here!

Tommy never said anything like your quote at Comic-Con or any other convention.(Yes I checked) I’ve always said speculation is fine, however, when you start putting words into my mouth (something you have done over on MacrossWorld)

For the record, Tommy totally did say what I wrote. I quoted from memory though and offered to let Kevin give me the exact quote but instead he freaked out and banned me. Apparently saying something is "Untrue fanboy speculation" is also worlds different from saying "ignorant fanboy."

That's it for me bringing Robotech.com drama to Macrossworld though (for obvious reasons ).

OOOH! Can I put words in Kevin's mouth, too?

ON FEBRUARY 31, 2009, KEVIN McKEEVER SAID:

Y'know...I really think Macross Frontier is tons better than Shadow Chronicles. Oh, and Shadow Rising? Never coming out.

Anyway, sorry to hear you got banned. Does this mean Seto's next...?

[VFTF1]

Hi Jenius,

It's me, Kevin - again. If you read my last post a couple of posts back, you'll know it's me. I actually banned you on RT.com because you kept disagreeing with my analysis of the global financial crisis, so I waited for a pretext, any pretext whatsoever to get back at you. I do agree with you that it is a pretty flimsy reason to ban somebody, but hey - my herpes are really itchy today and I just ran into Tobey Macguire and when I asked him about how Robotech was going he said "Robo-what? Who are you? What are you talking about? I was in SPIDERMAN! SPIDERMAN DAMN IT! What good is it to be type cast if nobody can remember the one hit movie you became famous for?! What is it with you people and those freakin' robots!? Do I look like Michael Bay?! Did I rape your childhood!?" and then he stormed away.

Needless to say, I was in a foul mood.

Thanks for keeping my secret safe.

Kev

[Jasonc]

The Robotech Franchise's biggest problem is that it wants the Macross publicity without revisiting any of Macross, for the reasons of permission to use the designs in new production. I've been told by some of the staff many times that Macross is by far the best selling part of the franchise. Yet, if they completely cut the chord from it, they can't create a self-sustaining series or product. Did anyone else notice that not even the word Zentraedi wasn't used in Shadow Chronicles? You know why? The legal team wanted it left out so that they wouldn't have to worry about lawsuits. And it wasn't a problem in the comics, cause those are products, not derivitive works. All that too, has been told.

Rick Hunter, as much as RT fans may either like or hate him, is a staple in a series that has kept him around far too long. The problem now is that fans are stuck with this character, and might not be able to adapt to a series without the Macross born character. That's a problem. The Macross franchise, on the otherhand, may have small tidbits of things that hold onto it from the older series, but you don't see the same old characters all the time. it reinvents, thus keeping a new look, instead of recycling. I'd probably feel more inclined to like Robotech if it reinvented itself in a whole new series and did away with it's umbilical chord, than still keep copied lineart in all it's series. Honestly, how much creativity really goes into creating something that has half of it already done for you? At least with the designs of the mecha and ships done, you'd think they would've come up with a compelling story that was cohesive, and deep, and had multi-dimensional characters with all that work done back in the early 80s.

Anyways, thought I'd throw in my $0.02 for now in this ever increasing thread. If Robotech fans choose to enter in here, I think that's just fine. To come into this site with an open mind is a good thing. I'm sure it'd be a problem to just come in here with a bunch of nothing, and closed mindedness (I'm sure that's not a word, so sue me ) I thought your buddy Pizza the Hutt was coming over here to speak his mind, Seto??? What happened to that?

[Gubaba]

I thought your buddy Pizza the Hutt was coming over here to speak his mind, Seto??? What happened to that?

I'm wondering about that myself...I'm sure we could all learn a thing or two from him.

[HappyPenguins]

I'm wondering about that myself...I'm sure we could all learn a thing or two from him.

He would for sure if Memo was a moderator here, but since he's not PTH won't show up

not without someone he can hide behind.

I've even tried to get him to come over here, but no dice

he just wants to watch this thread in his secret lair (basement) and find comments

he can use against members on RT.com.

Rick Hunter, as much as RT fans may either like or hate him, is a staple in a series that has kept him around far too long. The problem now is that fans are stuck with this character, and might not be able to adapt to a series without the Macross born character. That's a problem.

As crazy as it sounds though, it can be done, you've just got to create another character that appeals to the fans the way hunter did.

And judging from TSC, it seems HG believes this new character might be Marcus Rush

but then again only the die hard fanatics desperate for anything with the RT logo slapped on it, would be foolish enough to buy into this.

Edited August 27, 2009 by HappyPenguins

[Freiflug88]

In which case I would personally just prefer that they did a Robotech porn movie. I could live without good CGI. Put them in fourth rate jumpsuits. Just make the chicks hot.

Pete [Kev]

Kevin, you surprise me I never thought you would want a Robotech porno. It was always just the horny animators fault for vulgarizing Robotech right? Plus, aren't you and Jason Acura dating or something. I dunno you just never seem to stop talking about being in "Jackass" with him. Anyways you should know a mainstream studio like WB can't make a porn movie, but I would welcome adding the "Porno Star Trek" song to the movie soundtrack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAP_-daSVyo

Don't worry despite its name the song is not NSFW at all so you don't have to worry about being fired from HG if you watch this.

I would like a Robotech porn movie as well though, but don't go cheap with Fourth rate jumpsuits. Its not like you guys have to spend money on hiring a four different writers to write a decent script for a porno. So spluge and put Bianca Beauchamp into a first rate latex jumpsuit as Ariel. http://www.askmen.com/galleries/bianca-bea...picture-17.html

I am sure you won't have any probelms finding another crew to make a Robotech porn movie to help stimulate (pun intended) your franchise, Kevin. You guys might have the balls to lie to Robotech fans' faces, but I don't think you have it takes to compete with the guys that made the Frontier Cosplay Porno.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Freiflug88

[VFTF1]

Yes, but you fail to take into account my present herpes condition. Nobody really wants to do a Robotech porn movie with me, even if I promise not to actually be IN it.

Life is not fair.

Kevin

[Keith]

I thought the current robotech fanbase was a-sexual, what the hell would they do with a porno?

[Freiflug88]

Yes, but you fail to take into account my present herpes condition. Nobody really wants to do a Robotech porn movie with me, even if I promise not to actually be IN it.

Life is not fair.

Kevin

You wouldn't have herpes in the first place if you only used a condom with all those hookers you met in Vegas in all those business trips. Besides your body can fight off any retrovirus whether its the common Flu, Herpes, or even AIDs with a healthy lifestyle, but the multibillion medical industry that profits from overpriced chemical cocktails doesn't want you to know that, just as your company doesn't want fans to know they don't own Macross.

I thought the current robotech fanbase was a-sexual, what the hell would they do with a porno?

Asexual reproduction only works with Protoculture. Now that they are out of Protoculture HG needs Robotech fans to reproduce sexually to bring in new fans.

[HappyPenguins]

I thought the current robotech fanbase was a-sexual, what the hell would they do with a porno?

Things.......

[RavenHawk]

Things.......

Things are good...

AnyTHINGS are better than all those ridiclous busts in Shadow Chronicles... proof that HG aren't asexual, just prepubescent.

[HappyPenguins]

Things are good...

AnyTHINGS are better than all those ridiclous busts in Shadow Chronicles... proof that HG aren't asexual, just prepubescent.

yeah really

also all this talk about a robotech porno......

That scene looks like the beginning of one >_>

This one too!

god that movie was loaded with ass shots

Edited August 27, 2009 by HappyPenguins

[VFTF1]

Ah, yes. Janice and that other fellow. Janice was the only interesting character in the whole movie.

That doesn't speak well of the movie...

pete

[Jasonc]

As crazy as it sounds though, it can be done, you've just got to create another character that appeals to the fans the way hunter did.

And judging from TSC, it seems HG believes this new character might be Marcus Rush

but then again only the die hard fanatics desperate for anything with the RT logo slapped on it, would be foolish enough to buy into this.

the problem with the staff now, from what I see, is their lack, or inability to create characters deep enough to sustain the interests of the fans. Marcus Rush??? That's seriously a good laugh. I understand what you are saying, and it's sad that they believe they can build their franchise around such a shallow character. If that was their goal, they've failed miserably. The people that stuck out of the movie, if even just slightly, was the staples that are already in place from the first series. Scott, Marlene, and of course, the geriatric version of Rick the Hunterrrrr. What's bad with the feature film approach, is that you only have those 90 minutes to create a deep character, which can be done. But the problem with RTSC, is that there are so many other things that need to be covered, the character development got squashed down to almost nothing. Without a series, the franchise doesn't have the ability to expand the characters like a series can.

[BeyondTheGrave]

In which case I would personally just prefer that they did a Robotech porn movie. I could live without good CGI. Put them in fourth rate jumpsuits. Just make the chicks hot.

Pete Kevin

I thinking about suing you. Because you stole my idea i mentioned a few pages back