evangelion

[VF-1D]

wow i never knew this would be such a big post

[Toby Danger]

haha everyone has to throw in their own feelings about eva. I think Eva is awesome, both movies and series, as it is probably my 2nd most favorite anime ever. Cowboy BeBop in first of course...

[bob joe mac]

Well I watched EVA once and didn't get what was so great about it the characters were pretty much the stereotypicla characters from giant robots shows only how they were presneted was different. The mech's weren't that cool either I mean I LOVE giant robots but the only EVA that I loved was EVA-03 and it got destroyed.

I LOVED the series ending it ended Shinji's problems PERFECTLY.

So I then heard about these "new" movies and that I would have to watch the TV show again to "understand the true deep meaning of the show" which I had always assumed was suicide is BAD. So I watched it again... no new revalations.

So my friend and I watched D&R and EoE and I was completly appauled by them they destoyed all what the last two episodes were. I just kinda sat there and watched these travisties with a shocked expression on my face. Now my friend was kinda all like "WOW tha twas so good" so I obviously thought I missed something. I asked him "WHY"

His response was it was so deep..... I kinda looked at him and said HOW?!??! The entire movie was crap and basically said suicide is bad just like the TV show. He then responed I didn't understand it....So I asked him to "explain" it to me. He came up with nothing.

Now My friend and myself are the common EVA fan base and anti-EVA base

" EVA is overhyped"- Casual fan (myself) or Anti-EVA fan

"You don't UNDERSTAND IT!!!" Eva hardcore fan

"Explain it to me and prove it"- Casual fan

"blah blah blah"-Hardcore fan

"Ok and that is deep why"- Casual fan Anti-EVA fan

Huge fight ensures....

I think EVA was a decent show with a SUPERB ending and that is really it. Nothign necessarily ground breaking in the anime industry.

[Keith]

I enjoyed it immensly, enjoy both the TV & movie ending (as they're the same freakin' thing), and now after spending a year watching 260 episodes of Gundam (Z, ZZ, V, 0080, W, Seed), see a lot of similarities there.

[Nightbat]

I like it

but all that bloody royally screw-your-brain-for-good (or was it "For Awesome") has got to go to make it an awesome anime

intelligent plot -check

cool mecha -check

death/explosions/destruction on planetary scale -check

fantasy elements -check

eye candy -check

Conspiracy -check

Scientific facts -check

royally screwed up-beyond-the-state-it's-funny main character -che...???? what the.....?

I mean watching all those psycho-analistic scenes kinda made me feel like an unexperienced

Psychiatrist in the most nutcase ward of the loony bin

damned thing was that it was making sense to me, which seriously made me start doubting my own state of mind

[Valkyrie Nut]

Reasons why i like evangelion:

Big bots

Big fights

Big explosions

Some humourous scenes

and lastly, eye candy

[drifand]

I do WONDER:

The EVAs are launched from deep underground thru a couple of zig-zag tunnels until they appear above Tokyo-3. HOW do the tunnels reach across the vast bubble of empty space that separates the city from the NERV HQ underground??? Around the sides of the hollow sphere? Huh-huh.

[Akilae]

Eva always bring out responses whenever it's posted.. everybody has their own opinion =)

Now... time to put in my own two pennies...

If anything, watch the series first, and try REALLY HARD to understand where it's all going... watch it first for all the action, then the second time to focus specifically on the psychological side of the show.

The last two episodes are really introspective... after 20+ epsidoes of mech combat, that's a bit disappointing, but the conclusion actually makes sense.... at least more than the subsequent releases...

Which brings me to the movies... AWESOME Asuka fight sequence, that girl was actually more skilled than Shinji could ever be... would have wanted to see what EVA-02 could have done if it had gone berserk successfully. But all the plot lines are sort of patched together... it doesn't quite flow. Watch it and you'll be telling yourself: 1) They were milking the series. or 2) The fan uproar was too big for them to ignore.

[UN Spacy]

and lastly, eye candy

I don't remember seeing any eye candy in the first episode of Evangelion.....

....oh that's right. They waited for the 2nd episode.

[Valkyrie Nut]

and lastly, eye candy

I don't remember seeing any eye candy in the first episode of Evangelion.....

....oh that's right. They waited for the 2nd episode.

You got it in one there :P

Edited November 16, 2003 by Valkyrie Nut

[Anubis]

You got it in one there

Yep, right here.

Edit: Crap, the pic didn't copy. Go to the fist page, and look at the Misato photo. That was from Ep 1

Edited November 17, 2003 by Anubis

[eriku]

Ooooohh....Looky:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?...?Queryid=pre708

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?...?Queryid=pre709

The Mass Production EVA can't be far behind!

[Isamu Atreides 86]

i've been wanting to check this series out. the mech and characters look really cool. but some people tell me its not very accessable. is this true? should i start out on the movies or the series?

[F360°]

EVA super poseable = more hands and weapsons for your YAMATO 1/60 valk, you know,, socom, mp5, desert egle, sword, knife, sniper rifle.. etc.

So if you're a Macross fan,, be a EVA fan too so you can also enjoy the EVA super poseables as they are instead of just taking off their hands and weapson ( you know who you are) <_<

[Anubis]

I like my Kaiyodo Eva's. Except for the Unit 01, which I gave to my brother and bought a Chogokin for myself. The Eva 5 with wings is pretty sweet too, just have to watch how you pose it if you put it with the wings on (that's a lot of weight). Gave my blue Unit 00 the Lance from the Rei figure, and like how the setup looks overall now.

Edited November 17, 2003 by Anubis

[Anubis]

i've been wanting to check this series out. the mech and characters look really cool.  but some people tell me its not very accessable. is this true? should i start out on the movies or the series?

Definately start with the series, since the movies are the real finale.

Death and Rebirth is more of a series summary, and has the first half hour or so of the End of Eva movie after the summary. In theory you could just skip that DVD and go straight to End of Eva. After watching the series so you know what's really going on, and know the characters.

Edited November 17, 2003 by Anubis

[Radd]

I liked the show. On my first viewing of the tv series it became my favourite anime for a short time. Even though I don't particularly care for the organic mecha designs (but I can appreciate them, and Eva just wouldn't be Eva without those designs), the character developement is excellent (though the use of such angsty, introspective characters has since become overdone, and in completely the wrong way) and I love stories that make the viewer think. Of course, to me, this makes the final episode of the Eva series one of the best endings in all of anime (and the movies were just mindless action flicks for those who didn't want to attempt to figure it out).

However, once I got past the intial shock of "No! They did NOT just do THAT!" that happens in most of the Eva series, and after all the puzzles where figured out and all of the mysteries solved, I just really have not had the urge to run out and watch the show again. The movies only served to hammer this in, as they added nothing new to the story, and just seemed to repeat, in an easier to understand way, what was told in the series.

[MrDisco]

Anyone know if there will HK issues of the new EVAs?

[Mechamaniac]

I like EVA, but I do think it's overhyped a bit.

Some guy once told me, "dude this is soooo deep, you have to watch it 5 times to get all the nuances". Ok, so how come I understood it all after watching the series just once?. Yeah, the story is deep, but that is common in Anime, I guess, being a Patlabor movie aficionado, I am used to the deeper plotlines, so Eva was no big surprise for me.

The last two episodes of the series sucked, not that they were incomprehensible, it's that (as someone mentioned before) they were so drastically different from the rest of the series. You go along, 24 episodes or so with typical one episode plot lines slowly evolving the long term plotline, then BAM, two episodes that are completely different from the rest of the series. I remember watching the whole series, thinking it was really good, and staying very interested, but then the last two episodes came on, and about ten minutes in, I was like "ooh kitty!, come here kitty". Point being that the last two episodes just don't fit with the rest of the series, so any other distraction in the room pulled me away.

I am not a fan of organic mecha, but it made sense for the series, so that was cool.

The size of the Evas was a bit too overdone though, and not very consistent. In some of the episodes, they would show an Eva standing next to a building, and having it be just about Gundam scale in height compared to the building (typical giant robot stuff). But then they give you EoE, where the Eva's are shown being what could only be described as hundreds of feet tall, with an entire forest being mere ankle depth for them.

Don't get the whole Asuka, and Rei thing - but I'm not into kiddie porn, so that makes sense.

But Misato was my girl, loved her all the way through, was sorry to see her go out so bad.

I don't agree with what some have said about EoE "dumbing down" the ending for some. I just think that EoE FIT better with the rest of the series, and as such (in certain areas) made more sense.

[Valkyrie Nut]

I like my Kaiyodo Eva's. Except for the Unit 01, which I gave to my brother and bought a Chogokin for myself. The Eva 5 with wings is pretty sweet too, just have to watch how you pose it if you put it with the wings on (that's a lot of weight). Gave my blue Unit 00 the Lance from the Rei figure, and like how the setup looks overall now.

ive got Kaiyodo's EoE EVA-02, which imo is one of their better ones. ill be getting the SOC unit 01 soon and the 04 when it comes out

[Keiichi]

Ooooohh....Looky:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?...?Queryid=pre708

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?...?Queryid=pre709

The Mass Production EVA can't be far behind!

holy moly that's awesome

[Anubis]

One thing about the Kaiyodos is they are very cheap by comparison and have a lot of detail. The metallic verions look sweet too. The SoC's are awesome too of course, but I think Unit 01 will be enough for me. If they do a Unit 05 I'll surely get that and consider a 02.

[Valkyrie Nut]

One thing about the Kaiyodos is they are very cheap by comparison and have a lot of detail.

Thats what i like about my unit 02 figure. i also like the level of poseability it has

[Anubis]

I kind of like the setup I have my eva's in. All Kaiyodo except for Unit 01.

[Anubis]

pic 2. For now I put unit 04 away for space reasons.

(I love my new digital camera. just got it today. not bad for only a $100)

Edited November 19, 2003 by Anubis

[JELEINEN]

... (though the use of such angsty, introspective characters has since become overdone...

Since? Angsty, introspective characters were a staple of the genre long before Eva. In fact, the reason they're in Eva is exactly because they are a staple. Remember, Eva is as much a parody as it is anything else.

[yellowlightman]

... (though the use of such angsty, introspective characters has since become overdone...

Since? Angsty, introspective characters were a staple of the genre long before Eva. In fact, the reason they're in Eva is exactly because they are a staple. Remember, Eva is as much a parody as it is anything else.

Yeah, they were overdone in the mid 80's.

Along with the main character's father/uncle designing/building his mecha.

And mid-series upgrades.

[Valkyrie Nut]

pic 2. For now I put unit 04 away for space reasons.

(I love my new digital camera. just got it today. not bad for only a $100)

those look very nice

[Cavalier]

pic 2. For now I put unit 04 away for space reasons.

(I love my new digital camera. just got it today. not bad for only a $100)

spiffy

[Yang_Neumann]

I LOVE IT only because as a child I was so jealous of all these pre-teen characters in anime (Pidge and Keyop come to mind) who weren't old enough to have their drivers permit YET they could get behind the controls of a mecha and pilot it like it was riding a bike and have nerves of steel while battling the evil menace that was threatening the human race. Hideaki Anno singlehandedly turned envy into pity with his much darker, closer-to-reality (?) perspective of the genre, especially in the second half of EoE. I was slack-jawed from Shinji's breakdown on towards the end.

[Yang_Neumann]

Let it be a lesson to you; go out and see the world. Live life to the fullest before you decide to get in a mecha and aid in the preservation of the human race.

[Radd]

You make good points, and I agree...I mean Eva's specific brand of pseudo-psychological/philisophical angst. There's different flavours of angst. Amuro Ray was definitely an angsty little monkey, but he was angsty in a different way than Shinji. And it's not just Shinjii or his personality, it's the entire theme of the show. The overall feeling of oppressive futility that will eventually lead every character to have their own sort of breakdown. There was angst in Gundam and early super robot shows, but not in quite the same way. You see the same sort of psychobabble in everything from lots of newer anime, to videogames like Metal Gear Solid and Metroid Fusion.

Eva is like the Super Robot equivilent to the comic book super hero genre's 'Watchmen'. A lot of what you find in Watchmen appears in the super hero genre in general, but not to the same extent, and not quite in the same way.

Edited November 23, 2003 by Radd

[Max Jenius]

Angst must be some sort of buzzword lately for I can't go a day without someone referring to it in one way or another. Dictionary defines it as a feeling of anxiety, apprehension, or insecurity. That's pretty broad... by that definition I think that probably every anime has a LARGE AMOUNT OF ANGST. Hell, any DRAMA for that matter. Any human being? You be the judge of that. But like I said; angst has buzzword written all over it, so while it may apply to Evangelion or Gundam, it also applies to pretty much everything else.

Depth also seems to be dominating conversations about everything from web comics to feature length, episodic films. Does the depth or perceived depth of something really make it better? 2001 is supposed to be pretty deep and while I understand it, I find it as boring as watching paint dry.

I love Evangelion, but the deepest aspect of the show culminates in the final 2 episodes... you know.. the ones that everyone hates? I think that a lot of people mistake a convoluted story and red herring references for this 'depth.'

[Druna Skass]

I found Neon Genesis to be quite intersting, though for me it's kind of like one of those things you can only watch a few times before it get's killed for you. The music on the other hand I could listen to over and over.

Of all the characters the penguin was one of my favorites.

Edited November 23, 2003 by Druna Skass

[Valkyrie Nut]

Update: I've just got my SoC EVA-01 and it's gotta be one of the best things I've ever bought