Whats the next macross series?

[anime52k8]

lol

Yes. As a fan, I can't believe that I haven't bought/watched this yet!

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/images/...779&sr=8-19

As a whole I find live action Japanese porn to be rather disappointing. I was think more along the line of a Macross Hentai. To be honest I can't think of anything that's really hentai that also has much if any mecha in it. In fact it's pretty rare to see adult doujin's that are about mecha.

[VFTF1]

Opening Scene:

Pete notices that the "Next Macross Series Thread" has about 4 pages and a thought flashes before his mind:

"Interesting discussion of potential future plots of future Macross series has really progressed and people are throwing out some innovative new ideas...let's have a look see!"

Opens last post. Reads:

As a whole I find live action Japanese porn to be rather disappointing.

Makes face.

Continues reading:

I was think more along the line of a Macross Hentai.

Considers for a moment...

Reaches key argument:

In fact it's pretty rare to see adult doujin's that are about mecha.

This is true.

There is no porn with mecha in it.

Good point.

Macross needs to break this last frontier and be the first enterprise to create a series about Mecha Porn!

Although... weren't there some Hentai anime with aliens in them? I had just kind of always assumed that aliens = mecha....that is...I find it hard to imagine ANY alien species in the galaxy that DOESN'T have giant robots

Pete

[Aurora-7]

Macross 11

The adventures of the supposedly English speaking Macross fleet seem briefly in the last episode from Macross Frontier.

I think I do finishes on my VF-22 and VF-19 as Macross 11 based valks based on a carrier labeled UNSS Enterprise

[VFTF1]

Actually - here's what I'd do:

Macross: The Quest for the SDF-1

And yes, feature the return of Ichijo Hikaru, and Minmei, and Misa - and explain what's been happening to them, and feature all of the classical designs and make it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE the Robotech Canon and then go out of your way to license it in the USA.

Just to screw with Harmony Gold :-)

Do exactly what the majority of Robotech fans are dreaming of - only do it better and do it outside of Harmony Gold and bring it to the USA

just for spite

Pete

[Zinjo]

This is true.

There is no porn with mecha in it.

Good point.

Actually there are a couple of Hentai titles that have mecha in them. Cheesy CG mecha, but mecha nonetheless....

[Zinjo]

Star Wars one of the most generic fantasy stories ever told. Lucas took every fantasy cliche and trope and threw them together under a sci-fi deco. If you had read ANY fantasy stories before watching star wars for the first time, you could see everything in it coming.

That's true, however, it was never done in film before! Hell "Babylon 5" took heavily from the children's show "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors" which Stracinsky also wrote.

Then there's Tarantino. Here's a guy who boldly rips off other genres and old films (good and bad), re-writes them, re-packages them, then feeds them to us and we love him for it...

Like I've already said, it's doubtful that Kawamori will be able to make any Macross series without the "forumula" because the money simply won't be there for it. So he uses OVAs and games to tell the meatier, darker stories of the universe because sponsor pressure is much less. Unfortunately, getting talent like Kanno to write your music is much more difficult due to budgetary constraints, when on a smaller production. It's probably a good thing Kawamori has a good relationship with her...

[s001]

They have to animate Mascross VF-X2!!!!!! C'mon: great story, all the coolest mecha, great characters, great music (yes is fire bomber music, but what the hell) That would be awesome!

[dreamweaver13]

Actually - here's what I'd do:

Macross: The Quest for the SDF-1

And yes, feature the return of Ichijo Hikaru, and Minmei, and Misa - and explain what's been happening to them, and feature all of the classical designs and make it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE the Robotech Canon and then go out of your way to license it in the USA.

Just to screw with Harmony Gold :-)

Do exactly what the majority of Robotech fans are dreaming of - only do it better and do it outside of Harmony Gold and bring it to the USA

just for spite

Pete

Although i'm not particularly in favor of revisiting the original triangle, if the sole purpose is to spite HG ("IN YO FACE M*****KERS!"), then hey i'm all for it!

[BeyondTheGrave]

Long as its not 3 guys who have feelings For one another then i'll be okay with it.

note: I was going to add a freaky video but decided not to for sake of keeping everyone sane.

[Vifam7]

How about a series about the cannon fodders? A series in which the pilots are flying the worst Valkyrie ever fielded by the UN Spacy. Forget about a cool name like "Excaliber" or "Messiah". This Valk is called "Widow-maker".

A Valkyrie that has trouble transforming from one mode to another because the system is glitchy and the structure warps under high Gs. It's super packs having a tendency to blow off or blow up if pushed too far. The arms breaking off in battroid mode due to vibration from the gunpod. Hovering or skimming the surface in Gerwalk mode being dangerous due to faulty exhaust design and poor weight distribution. And other maladies!

This way, when the next toy from Yamato, Bandai, Toynami, or whomever has QC and design issues, we can all agree that "THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS IN THE ANIME!"

Each episode has a different main character pilot. Each episode ends with pilot receiving the highest UN Spacy military decoration.

Posthumously.

(a way to milk the mold!)

Edited September 8, 2009 by Vifam7

[Gubaba]

How about a series about the cannon fodders? A series in which the pilots are flying the worst Valkyrie ever fielded by the UN Spacy. Forget about a cool name like "Excaliber" or "Messiah". This Valk is called "Widow-maker".

A Valkyrie that has trouble transforming from one mode to another because the system is glitchy and the structure warps under high Gs. It's super packs having a tendency to blow off or blow up if pushed too far. The arms breaking off in battroid mode due to vibration from the gunpod. Hovering or skimming the surface in Gerwalk mode being dangerous due to faulty exhaust design and poor weight distribution. And other maladies!

This way, when the next toy from Yamato, Bandai, Toynami, or whomever has QC and design issues, we can all agree that "THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS IN THE ANIME!"

Each episode has a different main character pilot. Each episode ends with pilot receiving the highest UN Spacy military decoration.

Posthumously.

(a way to milk the mold!)

That kinda sounds like my idea from a while back:

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=583461

I'm, like, totally suing you.

[Zinjo]

Although i'm not particularly in favor of revisiting the original triangle, if the sole purpose is to spite HG ("IN YO FACE M*****KERS!"), then hey i'm all for it!

If they redid the original based on Mikimoto's manga, I'd be a very happy camper!

It has all the elements that I like an none of the little annoyances the original series had (granted there are few)...

[Zinjo]

How about a series about the cannon fodders? A series in which the pilots are flying the worst Valkyrie ever fielded by the UN Spacy. Forget about a cool name like "Excaliber" or "Messiah". This Valk is called "Widow-maker".

A Valkyrie that has trouble transforming from one mode to another because the system is glitchy and the structure warps under high Gs. It's super packs having a tendency to blow off or blow up if pushed too far. The arms breaking off in battroid mode due to vibration from the gunpod. Hovering or skimming the surface in Gerwalk mode being dangerous due to faulty exhaust design and poor weight distribution. And other maladies!

This way, when the next toy from Yamato, Bandai, Toynami, or whomever has QC and design issues, we can all agree that "THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS IN THE ANIME!"

Each episode has a different main character pilot. Each episode ends with pilot receiving the highest UN Spacy military decoration.

Posthumously.

(a way to milk the mold!)

What? Like General Galaxy's VF-9 Crusader?

What an abortion of a transformation sequence!!!

If any valk would fall into the category of a problematic fighter I'd say that one would!

[anime52k8]

Then there's Tarantino. Here's a guy who boldly rips off other genres and old films (good and bad), re-writes them, re-packages them, then feeds them to us and we love him for it...

I hate Tarantino so f*cking much, I hope he gets choked to death by a Taiwanese transvestite hooker.

[VFTF1]

Re: "Widow-Maker" Valkyrie.

I think you've just dreamt up the perfect customizing solution to the piles and piles of broken Yamato valkyrie that apparently exist in the world (with special thanks to Gubaba, who dreamed it up first, or at least says so)

Re: Tiwanese Transvestites chocking Tarantino:

Don't give him any ideas! That sounds like something he'd put in a movie of his. Personally, I have never even watched any of his films (except Pulp Fiction). I found Pulp Fiction boring, predictable and unnecesarily violent. By "unnecessarily" I mean - in a world where there is no heroism, and no romantic love - WHY would people fight? Or at least...why would the fighting be interesting? This is why I prefer sensible violence (i.e. Russel Crowe in the Gladiator) to senseless violence.

But that's neither here nor there.

I am all for the Widow Maker and Cannon fodder Macross.

They could also make it so that the super singing idol is just that - and not a character we get to know - but seriously an idol who the grunts don't know.

Maybe they could even meet her in one episode by chance?

Who knows....

But the problem does arise about navigating the formula. You don't want Macross to become repetitive...

I think the main way they've done that is by PUSHING the story forward in terms of major events. The little dramas all take place ina larger historical progression - and it's the historical progression that is key.

Whether you want it or not - the next step in that history is obvious:

Finding the Protoculture.

Pete

[Mr March]

I know it's only a wish, but I would like to see Macross the First animated.

That's actually not a bad idea. I could get behind that.

I hate Tarantino so f*cking much, I hope he gets choked to death by a Taiwanese transvestite hooker.

You're my new hero. Bravo!

Edited September 8, 2009 by Mr March

[MjrMisaHayase]

I wouldn't mind an OAV series based on the lost 2 years set in SDF Macross during the Reconstruction era.

I would like a series that covers some of the missing decades from 2012 to 2045. We just got a 4 episode OVA for 2040. Video Games did cover this area but they could be animated.

I have to agree with Roy Focker here and have a Macross series or two set between 2012 and 2045, Macross Plus notwithstanding.

[kabuki_rabbit]

I had this terrifying thought. Given that historically speaking Macross Launch Day has already passed and that Kawamori is a 10th degree master of Troll-Fu, don't be surprised if the whole Macross genre starts to get retconned soon .

Didn't Macross Zero do that already?

[kabuki_rabbit]

I had this terrifying thought. Given that historically speaking Macross Launch Day has already passed and that Kawamori is a 10th degree master of Troll-Fu, don't be surprised if the whole Macross genre starts to get retconned soon .

Didn't Macross Zero do that already?

(Double post, my bad)

Edited September 8, 2009 by kabuki_rabbit

[Kronnang Dunn]

Check out the official Macross page...

(Macross The First animated?)

[Gubaba]

Check out the official Macross page...

(Macross The First animated?)

*deep breath*

IT'S A FREAKIN' PACHINKO GAME! IT SAYS SO ON THE SITE!

[Kronnang Dunn]

*deep breath*

IT'S A FREAKIN' PACHINKO GAME! IT SAYS SO ON THE SITE!

I know, I know. LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Gubaba]

I know, I know. LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist...

Oh, Kronnang, you dear little troll, you...

[Kronnang Dunn]

Oh, Kronnang, you dear little troll, you...

[anime52k8]

Actually there are a couple of Hentai titles that have mecha in them. Cheesy CG mecha, but mecha nonetheless....

and you were planing on disclosing the titles of said hentai's when?

[dakedo]

I would really like to see a Macross story about a Zentradi hero rather than a human one.

Maybe starting before the events of SDFM. Showing us how Zentradis fight the Supervision Army and how happy they are doing so... Some sort of Kamjin-like character story, like a real Zentradi hero who thinks Whrithai is a traitor and, after being in contact with culture, scapes from the control of the UNS ...

I have always thought Zentradis portrayed in the Macross universe actually live a tragedy. They lose their way of living, they learn they were created as a war species, and they get absorbed into a materialistic society. I think it would be cool to have a few of them scaping from this fate.

[Project Phoenix]

*deep breath*

IT'S A FREAKIN' PACHINKO GAME! IT SAYS SO ON THE SITE!

Big letters for the WIN! :lol:

[Kronnang Dunn]

I have always thought Zentradis portrayed in the Macross universe actually live a tragedy. They lose their way of living, they learn they were created as a war species, and they get absorbed into a materialistic society. I think it would be cool to have a few of them scaping from this fate.

What the... "A tragedy"? "Escaping from this fate"? What the hell? Man... But that's the whole anti-war point of this series!!! Zentradi were denied culture by the Protoculture, and humanity showed them the way to be free through culture. Otherwise Zentradi would have kept being the living weapons they were and all those fleets would have continued destroying civilizations for milenia until the automated factories would malfunction or the Zentradi start destroying themselves, leaving the galaxy a deserted battleground void of inteligent life. Now Zentradi have the choice to live their life the way they see fit.

Materialistic society? I think that one died in 2009... The fleets have their own mini-versions of it, but not as bad as the one the original Earth had before the holocaust.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Kronnang Dunn

[Max Jenius]

I'd really be interested if they did something about what the civilians went through during the events leading up to, during and after the SDF-1 launch. They would be kinda forced into everything. Valkyries/Heroes we all know and love would be background.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Max Jenius

[RDClip]

I'd really be interested if they did something about what the civilians went through during the events leading up to, during and after the SDF-1 launch. They would be kinda forced into everything. Valkyries/Heroes we all know and love would be background.

I can't see that happening. Without valks, macross isn't macross. It is a action mecha franchise after all.

[Killer Robot]

I would really like to see a Macross story about a Zentradi hero rather than a human one.

While I'm totally with Kronnang Dunn as for the rest of the post, I can agree on this part. A look into Zentradi culture as it's developed since they were integrated into human society would be cool. Frontier gave a few hints: Klan being from a family proud of its continued military service as well as of its loyalty to human ideals. Frontier's Zentradi population, choosing to live in human fashion, but in their own "natural" size. And of course Elmo's excited obsession with culture and the magic it represents. Further, the still-continued split between those Zentradi who have assimilated into human culture readily, and those who still chafe at it. While we had half-Zentradi protagonists in Guld and Mylene, his heritage only came up in a sloppy and never-again-revisited excuse for making him genetically angry, and hers only came up in a door keyed to only be opened by half-Zentradi.

Alternatively, a Zentradi newly adjusting to human culture could be fun as a protagonist. Whether something set just after SW1 or something with Zentradi later given culture. We saw some of that in SDFM's supporting cast, of course, but I'm sure there are more things in that area to explore.

[Max Jenius]

I can't see that happening. Without valks, macross isn't macross. It is a action mecha franchise after all.

Well, I'm for different directions. How many different variants of the same thing can there be before it gets boring? Focus on something besides idols/warriors would be more interesting to me in the long run after all we've had. Macross is whatever the people that make Macross say it is. There could be action/mech, just from a different perspective.

[dakedo]

What the... "A tragedy"? "Escaping from this fate"? What the hell? Man... But that's the whole anti-war point of this series!!! Zentradi were denied culture by the Protoculture, and humanity showed them the way to be free through culture. Otherwise Zentradi would have kept being the living weapons they were and all those fleets would have continued destroying civilizations for milenia until the automated factories would malfunction or the Zentradi start destroying themselves, leaving the galaxy a deserted battleground void of inteligent life. Now Zentradi have the choice to live their life the way they see fit.

Even a 5 year old knows SDFM is anti-war. And thanks for explaining me that Zentradis where denied culture and repairing skills, I didnt know that! *sarcasm*

And yes for many Zentradis the outcome of Space War 1 is a Tragedy, for instance, it is a Tragedy for Kamjin, he dies after watching the Zentradi losing a war with a military inferior oponent (AND YES I KNOW HOW HUMANS WON DONT EVEN TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME). In Kamjin eyes, life as he knew it is teared into pieces. He loses life, after losing his way of life that he enjoyed so much. What would you say about that? Was it a happy ending for Kamjin? Or was it a Tragedy?

It is clear that being absorbed by human culture was not exactly a heaven for many Zentradis, most of them had to endure daily labor routines like working in a laundry or selling toys on the streets on Xmas, just as an example. Maybe you did not see that chapter, maybe you skiped those last chapters of SDFM altogether, or maybe you have not seen SDFM at all, maybe you are a Robotech guy.

Anyway, whether those rogue Zentradis were right or wrong on their perceptions, for what they know, living alongside with humans sucked big time, it sucked so much they were willing to follow Kamjin again and die if they had to. That is in the series too, I dont really see why you act so suprised, maybe your brain suffered severe damage after watching M7 and you think Macross is all joy and happiness, well I do not see it that way, at least SDFM was not that way, it was dark. That is why SDFM is still the BEST series in the whole franchise.

Materialistic society? I think that one died in 2009... The fleets have their own mini-versions of it, but not as bad as the one the original Earth had before the holocaust.

Give me a break. They talk about how SMS existing due to Capitalism in one of the earlier chapters of Macross Frontier.

And please, Pop Divas and all that Ranka and Sheryl media exposure and merchandising are not a perfect example of a materialistic society? YES I am talking about Macross Frontier, something that happens way after 2009...Materialistic society died oin 2009? pffffff

What the hell man! Are you retarded?

Edited September 22, 2009 by dakedo

[RedWolf]

dakedo watch the language. This is not the place for flame baiting.

I believe the Ohnogi Macross novels covered the harsher aspects of the Reconstruction period. Some Zentradi were forced to conform or else.

It wasn't all roses. 2030 saw a revolt of Zentradi giants, two months after the launch of Macross 1. After that there was a policy of no Zentradi giants on Earth.

Though that does not answer if when recently cultured Veffidas first met Basara was it on Earth?

There are insurrections of both Zentradi and Humans against the establishment in the proceding decades. So much that Black Market arms dealing became profitable. Like Mr. Loshier of Macross Dynamite 7. Also organized crime like the Mafia didn't die out as heard in Macross Generation, a CD drama about some individuals in Macross 9.

Frankly every NMC Macross fleet gets mentioned one time or another except for Macross 3.

Also we all know of the background history of first contact and marriage between humans and Zentradi but we are not yet indulged on how the Zolans joined the NUNG.

[Bri]

I would agree with the statement that the Zentradi are a tragic group of characters. Iirc they are a symbolic for the returning veterans of WWII who had a hard time reajusting to a changed civilian society.

The civilians inside the Macross don't live such a great life either. The civilians fate is determined by forces they cannot control, whether its the UN, the military or the Zentradi. Their reaction is to lose themselves in their work and consumerism. I would guess this represents the threat and reaction of civilians in the cold war. Even the heroes live tragic lives, the pilots and idol singers live for the thrill of the moment even if at the end of the line lies a death in combat or being replaced by younger, fresher competitors.

This makes Macross a bitter sweet tale and it's to Kawamori and co's credit that they while they prefer peace over war, they do not idealise life in a peaceful modern civilian society. This theme comes foward in pretty much all Macross shows except that the threat changes from annihilation from a war between super powers (SDFM) to the threat of unscrupulous corporations and goverments in later instalments (Zero, Plus Frontier). The threat of man to the environment is present in all shows.

Speculating: the current threat is terrorism so who knows the next Macross could be about a UN spacy unit on a peace keeping mission to a failed colony. The enemy uses guerilla tactics and older mecha. The idol singer could be a local girl trying to start a singing carreer against the background of a civil war.