Where to next?

[SchizophrenicMC]

Blanket Terminology: The reason I brought up calling it Valkyrie over Veritech. Get the picture?

[sucker4meltrans]

Macross as a harem anime. A young VF pilot after carear ending injuries is sent to a colony world to teach flying at all girls school. He is shocked when he finds out that its a macro zentradi world and that his students are normally in macro mode and learn on Q-raus and variable glaugs(sp?). We could have Emilia Jenius as a fellow flight instructor and strugging pop idol. What to do when your surronded by dozen 12 meter tall hoties that have a crush on on theri 1.75 meter tall teacher?

[azrael]

Macross as a harem anime. A young VF pilot after carear ending injuries is sent to a colony world to teach flying at all girls school. He is shocked when he finds out that its a macro zentradi world and that his students are normally in macro mode and learn on Q-raus and variable glaugs(sp?). We could have Emilia Jenius as a fellow flight instructor and strugging pop idol. What to do when your surronded by dozen 12 meter tall hoties that have a crush on on theri 1.75 meter tall teacher?

At least the love-triangle part of the equation is satisfied in that...

[The Saint]

What to do when your surronded by dozen 12 meter tall hoties that have a crush on on theri 1.75 meter tall teacher?

Death by Snoo-Snoo!

[SchizophrenicMC]

"He make good snu-snu..."

-Zentradi chick, Main Character's hallucinated funeral

To be honest, that sounds so Japanese, it might actually work!

[Morpheus]

The Gundam approach: Earth VS Space colonies complete with a Macross drop on Earth. Lol.

Macross drop is not big enough, make it mobile fortress drop or a satellite factory drop and then we can count how many VF and singing idol it would take to push it back into orbit.

[sucker4meltrans]

Macross drop is not big enough, make it mobile fortress drop or a satellite factory drop and then we can count how many VF and singing idol it would take to push it back into orbit.

just one VF if its pilot is also the idol and that idol is Basara

[sketchley]

Do the zents beam weapons leave radiation? In SDFM we see people walking around freely in the wastelands without and Hikaru finds flowers growing.

The real world example of the bikini islands shows that nature actually bounces back relatively quickly from radiation (never mind you can't eat the coconuts because of large amounts of selenium) and we know from fruit flies and other animals that changes due to the genetic code from radiation don't breed true and that their DNA repairs itself within a handful of generations.

I actually think that the earth is still a wasteland is unrealistic.

I didn't say that it left radiation. I said that it was irradiated (aka rendered sterile).

Though, it could be due to the removal of some other element vital to life on Earth, such as destruction of all nitrogen in the atmosphere and soil.

Nevertheless, Bikini Island is a flawed example, as it is a small area exposed to a (limited) amount of radiation surrounded by a sea of life (both literally and figuratively) that both dilutes the effects of irradiation (by spreading it over a larger area) and inputs non-irradiated things into the area.

In the course of typing that up, I thought up another possibility: the seas were vaporized sending saline into the atmosphere. The effect would be something akin to what's happening in the Karakalpakstan region of Uzbekistan due to the effects of the drying up of the Aral Sea.

[sketchley]

yes and no, every VF gets called a "valkyrie", it's the generic term for them whether or not an individual fighter's designation is "valkyrie". Kind of like "kleenex" and "xerox". There's examples of this in every single macross sequel, people referring to VFs as "valkyrie"

What he said. (Looks at Schitzoid)

[sucker4meltrans]

get the horay froating head together with the creator of love hina/ negima and get them to create a macross harem story. take 12 macro meltrans 1 lovable screw up of a male human and humor and mecha porn will come forth.

Edited February 16, 2009 by sucker4meltrans

[Gubaba]

get the horay froating head together with the creator of love hina/ negima and get them to create a macross harem story. take 12 macro meltrans 1 lovable screw up of a male human and humor and mecha porn will come forth.

Um...isn't this the same idea you had five hours ago...?

To wit:

Macross as a harem anime. A young VF pilot after carear ending injuries is sent to a colony world to teach flying at all girls school. He is shocked when he finds out that its a macro zentradi world and that his students are normally in macro mode and learn on Q-raus and variable glaugs(sp?). We could have Emilia Jenius as a fellow flight instructor and strugging pop idol. What to do when your surronded by dozen 12 meter tall hoties that have a crush on on theri 1.75 meter tall teacher?

[eugimon]

I didn't say that it left radiation. I said that it was irradiated (aka rendered sterile).

gotcha, though, in my defense the common usage of "irradiate" means to expose to radiation.

Though, it could be due to the removal of some other element vital to life on Earth, such as destruction of all nitrogen in the atmosphere and soil.

Nevertheless, Bikini Island is a flawed example, as it is a small area exposed to a (limited) amount of radiation surrounded by a sea of life (both literally and figuratively) that both dilutes the effects of irradiation (by spreading it over a larger area) and inputs non-irradiated things into the area.

In the course of typing that up, I thought up another possibility: the seas were vaporized sending saline into the atmosphere. The effect would be something akin to what's happening in the Karakalpakstan region of Uzbekistan due to the effects of the drying up of the Aral Sea.

Well, considering the bombardment left the surface of the earth immediately habitable (as in able to support life), I don't think the bombardment did any serious damage to the atmosphere, plus hikaru finds flowers out in the wastelands. So even if the earth was sterilized, which would be highly unlikely... they still should have been able to start large scale restoration of at least grasslands and prairies and wetlands. In the worst case scenario they could have started to bring in plants and animals from other worlds.

So yeah, I think it's quite easy to make a case that there are people who would feel disenfranchised or even bitter over the emphasis placed on the colony ships with those giant enclosed ecosystems while the Earth remains as a giant desert.

[sketchley]

Well, considering the bombardment left the surface of the earth immediately habitable (as in able to support life), I don't think the bombardment did any serious damage to the atmosphere, plus hikaru finds flowers out in the wastelands. So even if the earth was sterilized, which would be highly unlikely... they still should have been able to start large scale restoration of at least grasslands and prairies and wetlands. In the worst case scenario they could have started to bring in plants and animals from other worlds.

So yeah, I think it's quite easy to make a case that there are people who would feel disenfranchised or even bitter over the emphasis placed on the colony ships with those giant enclosed ecosystems while the Earth remains as a giant desert.

I think it was rewritten when they made DYRL - flowers became mutant fish, etc..

Which is why, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the contamination of soil post irradiation (sterilization) of the Earth's surface (which, BTW, has nothing to do with damage to the atmosphere. It's a natural process due to the exposure of the seabed to the elements (mostly wind).)

Though, having brought up the mutant fish, I'm curious to see (in a future Macross production) if the oceans of Earth were effected. The mutant fish implies that life near the surface was effected, but not enough to kill everything. What about the depths? Were they even effected (aside from increased amounts of sediment)?

Edited February 16, 2009 by sketchley

[Gubaba]

I think it was rewritten when they made DYRL - flowers became mutant fish, etc..

Which is why, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the contamination of soil post irradiation (sterilization) of the Earth's surface (which, BTW, has nothing to do with damage to the atmosphere. It's a natural process due to the exposure of the seabed to the elements (mostly wind).)

Though, having brought up the mutant fish, I'm curious to see (in a future Macross production) if the oceans of Earth were effected. The mutant fish implies that life near the surface was effected, but not enough to kill everything. What about the depths? Were they even effected (aside from increased amounts of sediment)?

Suddenly, you have me worried for the safety of the rock-camouflaged octopus from Mac Zero...I liked him, and hope he survived...

[Morpheus]

I think it was rewritten when they made DYRL - flowers became mutant fish, etc..

Which is why, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the contamination of soil post irradiation (sterilization) of the Earth's surface (which, BTW, has nothing to do with damage to the atmosphere. It's a natural process due to the exposure of the seabed to the elements (mostly wind).)

Though, having brought up the mutant fish, I'm curious to see (in a future Macross production) if the oceans of Earth were effected. The mutant fish implies that life near the surface was effected, but not enough to kill everything. What about the depths? Were they even effected (aside from increased amounts of sediment)?

Hmm, where does the radiation came from? It can be from nuclear/reaction weapons since Zentraedi doesn't use them and AFAIK super converging beam cannons on zentran warship doesn't produce radiations.

IMO, if the surface is heavily bombarded, then the ocean would evaporate away and assuming the atmosphere didn't boil and lost from the planet, then Earth would be covered by thick chemical clouds from the surface evaporation.

[SchizophrenicMC]

I thought that fish was rad-burned, not mutated...

I mean, look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima survivors. Look at Chernobyl survivors. Rad burns f*ck you up. The fish looked rad-burned, though anything is possible.

Meltrans, I'm likin' your idea. GIANT FROATING HEAD, please listen to this man. He is a GENIUS!

Sketch, back on the fish note, what is this? Bird-fish? Wait... Those are humans! (Or do I need to watch Zero again?) Oh, I know.

The next series will return to Earth to show what happened to the fish in the sea; They all mutated and launched an attack on the human and zentraedi residents! It's a cross between Vajra and Space Whales!

EDIT: Too many :lol:s

Edited February 16, 2009 by SchizophrenicMC

[eugimon]

I think it was rewritten when they made DYRL - flowers became mutant fish, etc..

Which is why, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the contamination of soil post irradiation (sterilization) of the Earth's surface (which, BTW, has nothing to do with damage to the atmosphere. It's a natural process due to the exposure of the seabed to the elements (mostly wind).)

Though, having brought up the mutant fish, I'm curious to see (in a future Macross production) if the oceans of Earth were effected. The mutant fish implies that life near the surface was effected, but not enough to kill everything. What about the depths? Were they even effected (aside from increased amounts of sediment)?

Well, even if the fish were mutated, radiation caused mutations don't breed true. So long as the fish weren't mutated to the point of sterilization within a few years you'd have normal fish again.

Corals would have survived as well, the reefs may have died but there would be enough free floating polyps and eggs out there to start repopulating the reefs. The bikini island reefs came back amazingly quickly. There would have been plenty of algae as well. And if DYRL is correct there doesn't seem to have been any real damage to the atmosphere. No nuclear winter, no drastic changes to the chemistry.

Some seeds should have survived as well, those in the air, those already in the ground and of course seeds from plants that actually require fire or heat to be released.

And even if all land vertebrate life had been wiped out... which is highly unlikely, I mean, extinction level events like an asteroid 6miles in diameter slamming into the earth couldn't wipe out *everything*. Once vegetation was established, insects and then birds, small reptiles and mammals, etc... It's obvious that humanity has both the technology and the skill sets necessary to successfully create and maintain complex environments.

[anime52k8]

Macross as a harem anime. A young VF pilot after carear ending injuries is sent to a colony world to teach flying at all girls school. He is shocked when he finds out that its a macro zentradi world and that his students are normally in macro mode and learn on Q-raus and variable glaugs(sp?). We could have Emilia Jenius as a fellow flight instructor and strugging pop idol. What to do when your surronded by dozen 12 meter tall hoties that have a crush on on theri 1.75 meter tall teacher?

my eyes and ears are bleeding just thinking about that.

and as for post SWI earth, I kind of have a feeling that it's not a dead wasteland of a planet full of disenfranchised and bitter people. I mean that really doesn't sound like macross to me. Maybe in the 2020's or something when it's eminently after the war and people are still rebuilding, but by the 2050's or so I doubt that would be the case.

[Morpheus]

my eyes and ears are bleeding just thinking about that.

and as for post SWI earth, I kind of have a feeling that it's not a dead wasteland of a planet full of disenfranchised and bitter people. I mean that really doesn't sound like macross to me. Maybe in the 2020's or something when it's eminently after the war and people are still rebuilding, but by the 2050's or so I doubt that would be the case.

In 2040 (Macross Plus) several desert littered with crater are still exist on Earth.

And for the next Macross, by taking the Macross element into account (idol singer, music, valk, triangle) a boy band consisting of valk ace pilot, who competing for their female manager......

[RedWolf]

From flashbacks of Ray and Basara's past most of Earth are the boonies.

Pretty boring place. Old guy who remembers Basara as a kid while playing golf.

So retirement homes and golf courses must be in boom there.

[eugimon]

From flashbacks of Ray and Basara's past most of Earth are the boonies.

Pretty boring place. Old guy who remembers Basara as a kid while playing golf.

So retirement homes and golf courses must be in boom there.

so... Macross: Palm Springs ?

[Gubaba]

From flashbacks of Ray and Basara's past most of Earth are the boonies.

Pretty boring place. Old guy who remembers Basara as a kid while playing golf.

So retirement homes and golf courses must be in boom there.

Was that earth...? I'm not sure they ever said...but I could very well be wrong about that.

[sketchley]

From flashbacks of Ray and Basara's past most of Earth are the boonies.

Pretty boring place. Old guy who remembers Basara as a kid while playing golf.

So retirement homes and golf courses must be in boom there.

Hmmm... this raises an interesting point. What we've seen in Macross Plus is a cratored surface from orbit, and a crator filled desert in the areas surrounding Macross City. It's entirely possible that other areas have seen partial to complete restoration.

But doesn't it strike anyone odd that there is no snow or ice (on the ground) EVER in Macross City? (Aside from that one snow storm in SDFM). Macross City is in Alaska, right? Why would the area be a dry desert? I believe it's implied that the world has been fundamentally altered - perhaps a lowering of the depth of the seas?

Schitzo - that fish is from DYRL. You have watched it, right?

[RedWolf]

Was that earth...? I'm not sure they ever said...but I could very well be wrong about that.

Yeah its Earth. Macross 7 Encore documentary talk show getting live broadcast on Earth that reporter lady tracing Basara's home town.

Such a windy place and oh that mountain.

On another note the construction business is always in need of workers.

[eugimon]

Hmmm... this raises an interesting point. What we've seen in Macross Plus is a cratored surface from orbit, and a crator filled desert in the areas surrounding Macross City. It's entirely possible that other areas have seen partial to complete restoration.

But doesn't it strike anyone odd that there is no snow or ice (on the ground) EVER in Macross City? (Aside from that one snow storm in SDFM). Macross City is in Alaska, right? Why would the area be a dry desert? I believe it's implied that the world has been fundamentally altered - perhaps a lowering of the depth of the seas?

Schitzo - that fish is from DYRL. You have watched it, right?

Well, for the depth to have lowered, all that water would have had to have gone somewhere. If it had been boiled off, the increased atmospheric pressure would have made the earth a very uncomfortable place to live. But the increased humidity would have actually helped the reforestation of earth.

I actually think it's more likely the polar ice shelves were vaporized, resulting in world wide flooding. The arctic, both north and south are actually deserts. It doesn't rain there... The air is so cold that any moisture it had was dumped long before it gets up there and the snow that's currently there is from the rare storms from since whenever... it's so cold the snow doesn't melt.

So, considering the grand canyon was there and it was a prime target for bombardment, the glaciers and permafrost and ice floats get boiled off. Catastrophic world wide flooding occurs... and since the area is a desert, the ice and snow will take thousands if not tens of thousands of years to come back.

[Morpheus]

So, considering the grand canyon was there and it was a prime target for bombardment, the glaciers and permafrost and ice floats get boiled off. Catastrophic world wide flooding occurs... and since the area is a desert, the ice and snow will take thousands if not tens of thousands of years to come back.

I think you mean Grand Cannon

About the ice and snow, "Day after Tomorrow" have a different opinion, and I hope it just another fiction.....

[eugimon]

I think you mean Grand Cannon

About the ice and snow, "Day after Tomorrow" have a different opinion, and I hope it just another fiction.....

haha... thanks for the catch!

Day After Tomorrow is pretty hilarious. The basic underlying theory is a real one though, that if the poles melt the on rush of freshwater would disrupt the north atlantic current and plunge western europe into a mini ice age.

But yeah, both the arctic and antarctica are giant deserts. They get about as much precipitation as the Sahara. If all the existing ice and snow melted it would take a seriously long time for it to look like it does now.

[sketchley]

Even if that is the only factor, it still means a drastic change: instead of the poles reflecting light/heat, they are now absorbing it.

At the very least, it would mean the planet as a whole is warmer, and the el nino/nina would be lengthier - perhaps even become the norm (no place for the heated water to disipate into.)

[eugimon]

Even if that is the only factor, it still means a drastic change: instead of the poles reflecting light/heat, they are now absorbing it.

At the very least, it would mean the planet as a whole is warmer, and the el nino/nina would be lengthier - perhaps even become the norm (no place for the heated water to disipate into.)

Hmmm, that's a tough one to say. It's very possible that the NAC was shut down which would mean most of what remained of europe would now be experiencing a mini ice age and quite possibly huge stretches of western north america as well russia, korea, and japan.

Also, who can say what the effect of having such a huge dense of cloud of satellites surrounding the earth would have on the amount of solar radiation absorbed and deflected?

On the other hand, having all the worlds forests burnt down and the permafrost melted off would mean huge amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

I agree that the Earth's biosphere would have been "permanently" altered (as far as humanity's timeline is concerned) but life would find a way. And with a little husbandry and planning, I don't see any real reason why the earth should look the way it does in Plus.

But I think this very conversation is proof that there's some interesting stories that can be told on earth

[sketchley]

I agree that the Earth's biosphere would have been "permanently" altered (as far as humanity's timeline is concerned) but life would find a way. And with a little husbandry and planning, I don't see any real reason why the earth should look the way it does in Plus.

But I think this very conversation is proof that there's some interesting stories that can be told on earth

Agreed. Perhaps something needs to be revealed (either as part of the main plot, or a subplot) as to why the Earth is the way it is, in M+ (at least the parts of it that we see). Which, given the pro-environmental messages that Kawamori-san sneaks into Macross plots, would be right up his alley.

[eugimon]

Agreed. Perhaps something needs to be revealed (either as part of the main plot, or a subplot) as to why the Earth is the way it is, in M+ (at least the parts of it that we see). Which, given the pro-environmental messages that Kawamori-san sneaks into Macross plots, would be right up his alley.

yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... I guess the question is how to fold valkyries and singing into a story about ecology and politics.

hmmm.. a story that folds in guerrilla warfare, the backwaters of earth, and ecological activists would could work. I would really like to see it placed between 2012 and the happenings of Plus so we can see some of the older designs get their glory and it could explain (in the usually roundabout kawamori fashion) why the earth was more or less left alone.

[sucker4meltrans]

need to steer this thread back on topic. like has been said for macross you need pop idol, ace valk pilot, love triangle, and a scary inhuman enemy.

so far for love triangles we had a guy going between two girls. 2 guys going for a girl. a guy going for a girl that is going for another guy that is only interested in music. 2 girls going for a guy that never makes up his mind.

we have had 1 pilot 1 idol 1 bridge bunny. 2 pilots 1 idol. 2 idol pilots 1 pilot. 1 pilot 2 idols. for the triangle combos

the enemy list. zentradi, AI, protodevlin, vajra/cyborgs

so i think a fitting new story would be a 1 guy 2 girls triangle where the guy love girl A and girl B also loves Girl A. Guy would be a Space war 1 vet that became a rock star for a while and then went to a colony world to work as a valk mechanic on the UN Spacy base. Girl A would be a Meltran variable Glaug pilot for the un spacy unit on the planet. Girl B would be a half meltran who is gaga for full meltran because she desires to be strong and bold like them instead of meek and mild like she is. the planet would be mostly zentradi(macro and miclone) with full humans a minority. the bad guys could a group of human rebels that are still resenting the zentradi for the nearly wiping out man kind and we could make the head bad guy pseudo facist that hates the cross breeding of humans and zents.

so guy has to take to the skies again in his VF-1S to protect the innocent from the rebels and he must sing again to so the people can remember to love each other again. Girl A would be the hero pilot.

[Morpheus]

yeah, that's what I was thinking as well... I guess the question is how to fold valkyries and singing into a story about ecology and politics.

Macross: Earth Valkyrie Arjuna.......

I just hope SK doesn't go back to his tree-hugging business.

[anime52k8]

need to steer this thread back on topic. like has been said for macross you need pop idol, ace valk pilot, love triangle, and a scary inhuman enemy.

so far for love triangles we had a guy going between two girls. 2 guys going for a girl. a guy going for a girl that is going for another guy that is only interested in music. 2 girls going for a guy that never makes up his mind.

we have had 1 pilot 1 idol 1 bridge bunny. 2 pilots 1 idol. 2 idol pilots 1 pilot. 1 pilot 2 idols. for the triangle combos

the enemy list. zentradi, AI, protodevlin, vajra/cyborgs

so i think a fitting new story would be a 1 guy 2 girls triangle where the guy love girl A and girl B also loves Girl A. Guy would be a Space war 1 vet that became a rock star for a while and then went to a colony world to work as a valk mechanic on the UN Spacy base. Girl A would be a Meltran variable Glaug pilot for the un spacy unit on the planet. Girl B would be a half meltran who is gaga for full meltran because she desires to be strong and bold like them instead of meek and mild like she is. the planet would be mostly zentradi(macro and miclone) with full humans a minority. the bad guys could a group of human rebels that are still resenting the zentradi for the nearly wiping out man kind and we could make the head bad guy pseudo facist that hates the cross breeding of humans and zents.

so guy has to take to the skies again in his VF-1S to protect the innocent from the rebels and he must sing again to so the people can remember to love each other again. Girl A would be the hero pilot.

I think we know what your fetish is... I wonder if SK would ever do a macross story where the main characters are lesbians?

speaking of lesbians who thinks that "alto pics both" should be the official triangle resolution in the Frontier movie?

[sucker4meltrans]

because throwing a lesbian into the triangle is one of the combos we haven't had yet. do you want another guy loves girl A, girl A thinks of guy as friend, guy keeps getting alone time with girl B, girl B loves guy, guy is clueless till end of series?