Seto Kaiba Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, jvmacross said: And speaking of the VA-3..... Fun fact... Kawamori actually polished this concept art into a finished design different from the final VA-3 in another title. It became the YF-37 Rafaga in Tech Romancer. Edited December 13, 2020 by Seto Kaiba Quote
jvmacross Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 Nice! I don't really follow any other anime shows, so that one would have been missed by me. Although going over some of his collected works books, I do see a tendency to borrow from himself... Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jvmacross said: Nice! I don't really follow any other anime shows, so that one would have been missed by me. Although going over some of his collected works books, I do see a tendency to borrow from himself... Tech Romancer is a video game. My apologies for the earlier ambiguous wording. One thing I love about Kawamori is that he almost never throws a design or concept away and says "that isn't workable". He relentlessly polishes even his old ideas until he either finds somewhere they fit or makes somewhere they fit. Like how the plot for his aborted non-Macross project Advanced Valkyrie ended up becoming Macross Plus nearly 9 years after its initial cancellation while many of the designs he did for it became part of Macross or ended up in another project that evolved into Escaflowne and Macross 7. We even saw this at work in Macross Delta, with the Sv-262 being developed from a design Kawamori did back in 1990 that was itself reused in the series as the Sv-262's predecessor the Sv-154 Svard. It's such an iterative process that it feels like engineering AND art. EDIT: Hell, you could argue the concept of the Minmay Cannon from Macross: Scramble Valkyrie found its way into the official setting via the YF-29's Fold Wave System, which was intended to facilitate communication and peace with the Vajra. Edited December 13, 2020 by Seto Kaiba Quote
sketchley Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: One thing I love about Kawamori is that he almost never throws a design or concept away and says "that isn't workable". (...) Speaking as an artist, it's not that unique. I have art (brought over with me on the plane) from something like 30+ years ago in Jr. High School for completely different story ideas, that I vaguely know how and where to fit into the manga* that I have been drawing in my free time, but won't be getting around to revising/polishing/updating until they're needed in the story. Nevertheless, with all the earthquakes, tsunami, and typhoons that regularly hit Japan, it IS pretty miraculous that Kawamori-san's art has survived. How big of it is an issue? Masamune Shirow mentions in one of his artbooks that he lost all the material for a shared world that he was creating in the Kobe earthquake! (along with a Destroid Monster kit that he had made way back in the day) * some of the designs for it: https://www.deviantart.com/studiootaking/art/CFs-Generation-3a-Master-File-Chronicle-767383491 Edited December 13, 2020 by sketchley Quote
jvmacross Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 One man's scribbles is another man's 624 page book full of treasure... Quote
hachi Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 My copy is shipped but I'm annoyed by the wait grrrr Quote
rdenham Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) I finally got my copy of the "Macross Shoji Kawamori Designer's Note" it is amazing; however I really wish it was split into two Vol.'s the size and weight is ridiculous. Edited December 14, 2020 by rdenham Quote
jvmacross Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, rdenham said: I finally got my copy of the "Macross Shoji Kawamori Designer's Note" it is amazing; however I really wish it was split into two Vol.'s the size and weight is ridiculous. Nice collection...my Macross books are sadly all over the place... The new Kawamori book definitely blew past the last record holder for the most voluminous Macross publication...by close to 200 pages I think Quote
no3Ljm Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 Got the bible today. It's so thick. How I really wish this should've been a hardbound book. I also noticed that they didn't include VF-4 for some reason? Or I just didn't notice it after I browsed it. Was it a one-pager feature? Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, no3Ljm said: Got the bible today. It's so thick. How I really wish this should've been a hardbound book. I also noticed that they didn't include VF-4 for some reason? Or I just didn't notice it after I browsed it. Was it a one-pager feature? The VF-X-4's on page 110, but the production version from Flash Back 2012 seems to have been left out. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, no3Ljm said: I also noticed that they didn't include VF-4 for some reason? Or I just didn't notice it after I browsed it. Was it a one-pager feature? It will be added to Shoji Kawamori Designer's Note II....coming soon! Quote
no3Ljm Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: The VF-X-4's on page 110, but the production version from Flash Back 2012 seems to have been left out. 44 minutes ago, jvmacross said: It will be added to Shoji Kawamori Designer's Note II....coming soon! That's one Valk I'm actually looking forward to see in that bible. Oh well. Note II then. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, no3Ljm said: That's one Valk I'm actually looking forward to see in that bible. Oh well. Note II then. Are you referring to the rough sketches for it or just the lineart in general? The lineart is available within a couple of books and there are some rough sketches in the old Macross Design Works. Edited December 15, 2020 by jvmacross Quote
no3Ljm Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Are you referring to the rough sketches for it or just the lineart in general? The lineart is available within a couple of books and there are some rough sketches in the old Macross Design Works. Nothing specific actually. I was just bummed out that it wasn't included even just a page or two or something. They should've included it in the last pages of DYRL. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 Not surprising, the book is not an all-encompassing look at the creation of every single VF that Kawamori has done....just a sampling. Like I said before, it is more of a companion book to the last Designers Note that was released....a look into how Kawamori eventually gets to those final linearts... Hopefully, there are enough sales of the Kawamori book to warrant more "volumes"... Quote
Mommar Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 10:48 PM, Seto Kaiba said: Fun fact... Kawamori actually polished this concept art into a finished design different from the final VA-3 in another title. It became the YF-37 Rafaga in Tech Romancer. Interesting reworking. I think I like the original design better though. I find the original bulbous nature of it charming. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Never looked at the VA-3 that closely, but now I cannot un-see the Aliens UD-4L "Cheyenne" Dropship...... Quote
hachi Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 1:59 PM, hachi said: My copy is shipped but I'm annoyed by the wait grrrr It finally arrived! And it's big like a college text book! :D Will look at it later, since technically I am still working. It's like a Christmas present to myself! Quote
jvmacross Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, hachi said: It's like a Christmas present to myself! Merry Macross-mas! Quote
hachi Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 16 hours ago, jvmacross said: Merry Macross-mas! Thanks to Santa Kawamori! :D Quote
jvmacross Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Would that make Mikimoto the Grinch? Arriving May 30, 2021 - Jun 2, 2021 Haruhiko Mikimoto Macross Art Book Haruhiko Mikimoto Sold by: Amazon Japan LLC ￥ 3,000 Release day : Wednesday, May 26, 2021 Quote
no3Ljm Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Javier UNS said: Welcome to MWF! Nice! Btw, you forgot to push the legs upward for Battroid mode to hide the metal swivel used for Gerwalk mode. Quote
Javier UNS Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, no3Ljm said: Welcome to MWF! Nice! Btw, you forgot to push the legs upward for Battroid mode to hide the metal swivel used for Gerwalk mode. Quote
hachi Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) On 12/18/2020 at 10:48 PM, jvmacross said: Would that make Mikimoto the Grinch? Arriving May 30, 2021 - Jun 2, 2021 Haruhiko Mikimoto Macross Art Book Haruhiko Mikimoto Sold by: Amazon Japan LLC ￥ 3,000 Release day : Wednesday, May 26, 2021 Page not found How many times has this been pushed back already? Edited December 21, 2020 by hachi edit Quote
no3Ljm Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, hachi said: How many times has this been pushed back already? Same number probably as his 'The First'? Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 7 hours ago, hachi said: Page not found How many times has this been pushed back already? Haruhiko Mikimoto Forever Coming... when it's done. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 No worries.....unless it officially gets cancelled... Quote
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