RedWolf Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 Anon updated it. Including the shuttle and salvage ship. Quote
MDP310 Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Wow, Macross 25's Island 1 is almost as big as Executor. And Executor is the size of Manhattan. I think they might be lowballing the size of Island 1. It looks like it contains a whole metropolitan area. Although granted, its beam is a lot wider than Executor. Or Manhattan. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Wow, Macross 25's Island 1 is almost as big as Executor. And Executor is the size of Manhattan. I think they might be lowballing the size of Island 1. It looks like it contains a whole metropolitan area. Although granted, its beam is a lot wider than Executor. Or Manhattan. Executor's still a mile and a quarter longer. However, it's much shorter and skinnier. So, Island-1's much bigger, volumetrically. I can't see SF and Shibuya (I THINK that's what I read in MacF 1 or 2 last night.) fitting in it... Edited March 7, 2009 by SchizophrenicMC Quote
MDP310 Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Executor's still a mile and a quarter longer. However, it's much shorter and skinnier. So, Island-1's much bigger, volumetrically. I can't see SF and Shibuya (I THINK that's what I read in MacF 1 or 2 last night.) fitting in it... Island 1 is also way WAY taller. Actually, thinking about it, Eclipse is probably about the same size as Island 1. It's shorter but fatter and taller than Executor. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Island 1 is also way WAY taller. Actually, thinking about it, Eclipse is probably about the same size as Island 1. It's shorter but fatter and taller than Executor. Like I said, Executor is longer but shorter. Perhaps, I should've used depth for that term. No, Eclipse is still smaller. Think about it: Island 1 is a large oval... Or an oblong rectangle. Eclipse is a wedge (*cough* Antilles *cough*) and still shorter and less deep. I-1 is huge, and outranks anything in Star Wars, except a planet killer, like a Death Star or something. Quote
MDP310 Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Like I said, Executor is longer but shorter. Perhaps, I should've used depth for that term. No, Eclipse is still smaller. Think about it: Island 1 is a large oval... Or an oblong rectangle. Eclipse is a wedge (*cough* Antilles *cough*) and still shorter and less deep. I-1 is huge, and outranks anything in Star Wars, except a planet killer, like a Death Star or something. Oh, I know that Island 1 is huge. I just had trouble for a minute picturing something the size of Manhattan having an ocean and 3 cities on it. You know, that makes me wonder, how big are the other Islands? They seem to be 4 or 5 miles long and a mile wide or so. Quote
taksraven Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Anon updated it. Including the shuttle and salvage ship. How about having the Zentraedi Factory Satellite and Bodolza's command centre on it too? Taksraven Quote
MDP310 Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 How about having the Zentraedi Factory Satellite and Bodolza's command centre on it too? Taksraven Isn't that the size of Japan? Freakishly huge. And awesome. Quote
Jasonc Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Definitely some saving going on with that size comparison. It really gives a good idea of how large some of these ships are. Wasn't Bodolza's ship like several hundred miles? Don't know the exact size, but compared to every other ship, It was a monster. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 How about having the Zentraedi Factory Satellite and Bodolza's command centre on it too? Taksraven Dude, for one, I think the factory satelite's on there, already. Second, that would make everything go Death Star-compared-to-Dyson Sphere. Not cool. Bodolza's Command Center's too big. I DON' LIKE IT! I DON' LIKE IT ONE BIT! Quote
taksraven Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Dude, for one, I think the factory satelite's on there, already. Nope. Second, that would make everything go Death Star-compared-to-Dyson Sphere. Not cool. Bodolza's Command Center's too big. I DON' LIKE IT! I DON' LIKE IT ONE BIT! But thats what makes it so cool. Slightly OT, but does anybody have any idea of the largest constructed object in SF/Anime? The Dysons Sphere encountered in the ST:TNG episode Relics would have to be one of the biggest, about 3/4 of an AU in diameter. Taksraven Quote
Killer Robot Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Slightly OT, but does anybody have any idea of the largest constructed object in SF/Anime? The Dysons Sphere encountered in the ST:TNG episode Relics would have to be one of the biggest, about 3/4 of an AU in diameter. Taksraven Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the top end that I know of, given that it was a progression of giant mecha taken pointedly to ridiculous extremes. The final mecha were literally outsizing galaxies. Attached gif: well, you really need to watch it to the end. Quote
sketchley Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 That's just a silly extreme. Silly in that: how would they be built? How could they move without utterly obliterating everything in existance by the gravity disturbances? Silly. Quote
RedWolf Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 I have to wonder though... With this size chart we have a rough idea of the size of the Macrosses to each other. Could we make a chart which more accurate than the Op pic. Since the Macross Cannon was based I think on the earlier 4000 meter figure. As we know now the Macross Cannon is 6000 meters. Quote
valhary Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 i like to see a size comparision between the vf1 and vf 2ss Quote
RedWolf Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 i like to see a size comparision between the vf1 and vf 2ss Hold that thought... Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Nope. But thats what makes it so cool. Slightly OT, but does anybody have any idea of the largest constructed object in SF/Anime? The Dysons Sphere encountered in the ST:TNG episode Relics would have to be one of the biggest, about 3/4 of an AU in diameter. Taksraven Whoop. Mixed up the Three Star Factory Ship with Factory Satelite... My bad. And the big whatchit in TTGL is the biggest... Quote
RedWolf Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Using the old Paladin rpg Macross II figures, if they are proportioned which I doubt, I calculated the approximate size of the Macross Cannon in Attacker mode. 245 m (soldier mode) x 6000 m (Macross Cannon length) / 488 m (prone mode) = 3012 meters tall (Macross Cannon Attacker mode) Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Hold that thought... maybe it's just me but the VF-4 looks off in that chart. I think all the others are about right but the VF-4 just seems too huge. how tall is the VF-4 supposed to be? Quote
eugimon Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 To me it's the crusader that looks ridiculous.. look at the size of that gun! Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 the crusader is that big though, I have no idea why it's so massive but it's even bigger than the VA-3. Quote
eugimon Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 the crusader is that big though, I have no idea why it's so massive but it's even bigger than the VA-3. yeah... I went and looked it up after I saw that comparison pic but that gun is still massively huge. Quote
Mr March Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The VF-4 battroid is a guess; there are no official figures. In my chart I made the VF-4 Lightning just a little bigger than the VF-1, but this fella has his scaled up much larger. The VF-3000 Crusader Battroid is correct. There's some line art that clearly shows how big the thing is compared to the VF-1S Battroid. Quote
sketchley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Hold that thought... Shouldn't the VB-6 be in the "5th gen" or "6th gen" spot? (Possibly even the 4th gen?) ... as it appears in VF-X2, which takes place in 2050-51, meaning that it was developed and produced in the 2030s and 2040s? Not to mention the lack of "standard" 2040 and 2050 era VF tech; such as active stealth and PPB. Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The VF-4 battroid is a guess; there are no official figures. In my chart I made the VF-4 Lightning just a little bigger than the VF-1, but this fella has his scaled up much larger. The VF-3000 Crusader Battroid is correct. There's some line art that clearly shows how big the thing is compared to the VF-1S Battroid. I've seen 13.76 meters on mahq.net, which matches your chart more or less, but this guy has it at almost 15.5 meters. I have no idea which one would be more accurate, it would really depend on whether the VF-4's battroid mode is taller or shorter than the length of the fighter mode. all really Dude, for one, I think the factory satelite's on there, already. Second, that would make everything go Death Star-compared-to-Dyson Sphere. Not cool. Bodolza's Command Center's too big. I DON' LIKE IT! I DON' LIKE IT ONE BIT! LOL massive Quote
sketchley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 anime52K8 - your sizes are off: Furubusu Burensu Class: 890 Km x 510 Km Factory Satellie: 5 to more than 500 Km. (info from Macross Chronicle) Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) anime52K8 - your sizes are off: Furubusu Burensu Class: 890 Km x 510 Km Factory Satellie: 5 to more than 500 Km. (info from Macross Chronicle) I Just used the numbers listed on Mr. March's M3 since that's where I grabbed the pictures from. He's got the fulbtzs-Berretzs class at 1,400 km tall, and the Factory Satellite at 3,000 km tall. Edited March 8, 2009 by anime52k8 Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I've seen 13.76 meters on mahq.net, which matches your chart more or less, but this guy has it at almost 15.5 meters. I have no idea which one would be more accurate, it would really depend on whether the VF-4's battroid mode is taller or shorter than the length of the fighter mode. all really LOL massive I DON' LIKE IT. I DON' LIKE IT ONE BIT. Needs moar scale. Quote
sketchley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I Just used the numbers listed on Mr. March's M3 since that's where I grabbed the pictures from. He's got the fulbtzs-Berretzs class at 1,400 km tall, and the Factory Satellite at 3,000 meters tall. You do realise that 1,400 Km = 1,400,000 m, right? Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 You do realise that 1,400 Km = 1,400,000 m, right? http://www.new-un-spacy.com/sdfmacross/fulbtzs-berrentzs.htm yes, I do know that there are 1,000 meters in a kilometer. like I said, I used the number from the M3. I just wanted to turn something out quickly to poke fun at schizo's comment and didn't feel like doing more research than using the number's that are posted with the picture being used. Quote
Mr March Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) The Macross Chronicle is becoming difficult to reconcile in some respects. It's giving new numbers to ships that already had numbers. Macross Perfect Memory specifically describes the Fulbtzs-Berrentzs Class Mothership (big blue) as 1,400 kilometers tall, yet the Chronicle splits the 1,400 km figure into 890 km high by 510 km long. Same thing with the Factory Satellite, which has been scaled down to such a ridiculously small size in the Macross Chronicle, it's unclear what then the Zentradi would use to build an FB mothership. What I'm likely to end up doing is posting both sets of figures for these two ships on my website and post the sources. Fans will then have to reconcile it themselves, unless clarification is forthcoming in an as yet unpublished issue or future book. Edited March 8, 2009 by Mr March Quote
sketchley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) As Chronicle is being published under the auspices of Kawamori-san, it can't be wrong, right? Me thinks that what made the Furubusu Burensu Class is the same thing that made the Factory Satellite. Anime52k8 - you're still wrong. The Furubusu Burensu Class should be at least double the size of the Factory satellite. 1,400 Km > 3 Km 1,400,000 m > 3,000 m He's got the fulbtzs-Berretzs class at 1,400 km tall, and the Factory Satellite at 3,000 meters tall. Edited March 8, 2009 by sketchley Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) As Chronicle is being published under the auspices of Kawamori-san, it can't be wrong, right? Me thinks that what made the Furubusu Burensu Class is the same thing that made the Factory Satellite. Anime52k8 - you're still wrong. The Furubusu Burensu Class should be at least double the size of the Factory satellite. 1,400 Km > 3 Km 1,400,000 m > 3,000 m that was a typo on my part, I meant to type 3,000 kilometers not 3000 meters http://www.new-un-spacy.com/sdfmacross/factory-satellite.htm the picture is right if you go by the older numbers (which I personally like better) Edited March 8, 2009 by anime52k8 Quote
taksraven Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I DON' LIKE IT. I DON' LIKE IT ONE BIT. Needs moar scale. I LOVE it. It looks great. For moar scale you should now have the moon on the chart!! Taksraven Quote
sketchley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 that was a typo on my part, I meant to type 3,000 kilometers not 3000 meters http://www.new-un-spacy.com/sdfmacross/factory-satellite.htm the picture is right if you go by the older numbers (which I personally like better) Those older numbers don't make sense, as whenever we see the interior of the Factory Satellite, even for Buritai's flagship, it's cramped. However, the Furubusu Burensu Class is shown with an entire fleet parked inside of it's massive central chamber. The current Compendium article is a mess of old and new info, but my favourite line from it is: Normally, a group of 20-50 satellites supplied a Zentradi fleet. If that were the case, why would they need to be more massive than a Furubusu Burensu Class, especially as we only ever see one Furubusu Burensu Class per fleet? Why would a Furubusu Burensu Class even be needed, when the much more massive Factory Satellite could fullfill the same role? So yeah, the old numbers are inaccurate to the animation, and the new ones are more accurate, and raise far less questions. Quote
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