Wes Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Could you please elaborate...? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/k...ay-idol-master/ Quote
Morpheus Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/k...ay-idol-master/ Warning, sankakucomplex is a NSFW site, proceed with your own risk. Quote
Gubaba Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/k...ay-idol-master/ Ah. Well, that sucks. Does this mean we have to add him to the list of manga artists who can't seem to finish their "life-work"? (Although I guess Tezuka, Nagano, and Shirow aren't bad company to keep.) Quote
yellowlightman Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 To those who hate moe, i'll just say stop watching japanese anime and watch western anime like Avatar or something. Because for the next few decades, moe WILL be invading your anime. Anime isn't made to cater to western tastes so even if you moan and groan about it, its not gonna change much when the target audience wants more moe. Can we stop playing it off like moé is something that appeals to uniquely asian tastes? Showing a regular Japanese person your moé hug pillows and creepy posters is going to weird them out just as much as it would weird out a "westerner." Akiba culture and this moé sh*t isn't widely accepted in Japanese culture like you guys would like to pretend. Quote
Graham Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I always prefered Curly - and could never understand why they called him that, despite the fact that he never had any hair to curl... In fact, it got so bad, that whenever I saw Shemp, my first thought was "that's Curly" - and then I was like - no - but - it's Shemp. Curly is the one with no hair and not the one with Curly hair; despite appearances... Pete Hey, what about Larry, doesn't he deserve some love too? Graham Quote
Einherjar Posted January 19, 2009 Author Posted January 19, 2009 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/k...ay-idol-master/ This the first time I heard about this. Moe is a sneaky force. Ah. Well, that sucks. Does this mean we have to add him to the list of manga artists who can't seem to finish their "life-work"? (Although I guess Tezuka, Nagano, and Shirow aren't bad company to keep.) He's not dead yet, just going through what I hope is just writer's block. It sounds too depressing to be true though. Quote
wolfx Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) Then I'm confused. Is moe clumsy cute characters, or is it loli porn? And if it's the latter, why was everyone saying that Ranka was moe...? My 1st post on this thread is the truest definition for moe. Its just that lately some nitwits decided to coincide moe with lolicon because moe characters tend to be little girls and then there's the sexualisation and the rest, as they say is history. Moe in the purest form will contain little to no sexualisation over the character. Its produces a very "paternal/maternal" feeling rather than "I feel so horny/disgusted after watching that" feeling. Can we stop playing it off like moé is something that appeals to uniquely asian tastes? Showing a regular Japanese person your moé hug pillows and creepy posters is going to weird them out just as much as it would weird out a "westerner." Akiba culture and this moé sh*t isn't widely accepted in Japanese culture like you guys would like to pretend. That was not my originally my intention. Firstly we have to clearly distinguish between people who watch anime, and people who don't. That said, ppl who watch anime in general regardless if they are japanese or not, are not widely accepted in society. Your bolded statement threw mine out of context. And as for hug pillows, they'd be creepy regardless if they had a moe character or Kenshiro on it. Its besides the point. Secondly, ppl who watch anime are by MAJORITY moe-tards, whether you like it or not. The proof of this is the media being churned out panders to this fanbase and is guranteed sales. It might or might not be a cultural thing but in my experience in various messageboards, it is usually the westerners that are vocal and against the moe-movement for whatever reason. Perhaps they are the old fans that never grew up from watching anime. Fans who have children and the moe-ness strikes a protective chord in them as a parent, whereas Japanese adults tend to grow up from anime (if they don't, they tend to be reclusive rejects of society) so perhaps there are little parents in the Japanese anime watching fanbase? This same point can also be expanded that the average unmarried otaku might be compensating for his undirected paternal instincts by directing them towards moe characters. My point is, the Japanese market for otaku panders to moe for a reason. It sells. There is demand thus there is supply. I'm not saying this is right or wrong but it IS fact. And as for if this is socially acceptable or not in Japan, look no further than at junior idols , most below 13 with parents as their managers and also at prime time TV programmes like the Morning Musume girls. Japanese starlets are getting younger and younger. I for one daresay am not a moe-tard and prefer strong to stoic characters ...but I don't mind moe and i don't see where all this RAGE is coming from for moe. Edited January 19, 2009 by wolfx Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/k...ay-idol-master/ I have the oddest compulsion to import a copy of Idolmaster now. Quote
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