Seto Kaiba Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Here are my thoughts on those toys that Harmony Gold / Toynami is trying to sell. From what I've seen they aren't worth buying. Not being a toy collector, I could not honestly offer an informed opinion myself... but the opinions I've heard from people who are toy collectors suggests to me that your take is probably accurate. (The build quality fiasco over the Shadow Fighter helps too.) I don't know many people who are crazy about those Shadow fighters that only showed up in the last episode or two. And different colored Beta fighters? That was my least favorite of the New Generation / Mospeada mech designs. Most folks weren't, general consensus is that the disaster that was the "Maia Sterling" MPC Shadow Fighter was the last straw for the Toynami MPC line... both because almost nobody cared, and because the build quality was terrible enough for Harmony Gold to issue a recall. I'm sure a few 1000 or so people would get a Dana hovercycle and hovertank set priced around $300 or so if it's quality. I'm sure if Harmony Gold / Toynami purchased, finished, and released that Rook Ride Armor people would have purchased her too. Thus far, Toynami remains adamant that the potential return-on-investment for Southern Cross merchandise is so small that the most likely outcome would be them ending up upside-down on the design, tooling, and manufacturing costs. Considering there's very little love for the Masters Saga, and equally little love for the post-legitimate Macross design MPCs, I don't think they'd have guaranteed sales of more than a few dozen. Quote
JetJockey Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 There are several things in your post which are not exactly true (HG/Toynami did design and release their Alpha independent of any Japanese releases, for example), but this one here ^ is laughable. The number of people who'd buy a $100 hovetank toy is probably in the triple digits, and not the upper end of that range either. Throwing in a hover cycle is going to entice no one. I remember reading that the Toynami Alpha was similar to a Japanese version. I can't remember which. There was a site that reviewed all of them. I believe the guy is a member here. Maybe I over estimate the number of Robotech fans out there. The people that get the Toynami stuff and buy those DVDs sets again and again. The people that supported Robotech Academy. I assume some are the same people that get every version of the Toynami Voltron. They would want a Dana figure with hovertank and hovercycle I would think. They have never really been made before. The number of Alpha fighters produced by Toynami seems to be on the high side but I just can't believe how that number would shrink for the Southern Cross stuff. But I haven't been following Robotech stuff at all that much. Thus far, Toynami remains adamant that the potential return-on-investment for Southern Cross merchandise is so small that the most likely outcome would be them ending up upside-down on the design, tooling, and manufacturing costs. Considering there's very little love for the Masters Saga, and equally little love for the post-legitimate Macross design MPCs, I don't think they'd have guaranteed sales of more than a few dozen. People must really hate Southern Cross. I didn't know that. I liked it. But I like Robotech as a whole. But I saw it when I was young and didn't know and still haven't seen the Japanese versions of Southern Cross and Mospeada. Something about the designs of Southern Cross are just cool. I like the episodes where Dana and the crew get on the Masters ship too. Quote
yui1107 Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 http://twitter.com/GendaiSaeki/status/500450066423758848/photo/1 Quote
jenius Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 As far as determining how big of an audience is out there to buy Robotech merchandise, there were only a little less than 2300 backers for Robotech Academy and most of those people were investing far less than the cost of a quality toy. Paladiums efforts might be more similar with 5300 backers. You can play around with the numbers a lot from there but you can see, it's never going to be a huge audience barring Robotech finding some way of getting relevant again. It might have been my website you were referring to in regard to the toy reviews. The Toynami MPC Alpha is based on the Imai 1/48 Legioss model. I'm not a big fan of RT:TM or SDCSC but I do think there's a lot of potential there if RT ever does get a reboot. I like to doodle reinvented 2nd gen mecha for Robotech when I have time taking inspiration from what was there but also keeping in mind what is in Macross and what we eventually get in the Mospeada arch. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 Maybe I over estimate the number of Robotech fans out there. The people that get the Toynami stuff and buy those DVDs sets again and again. The people that supported Robotech Academy. [...] but I just can't believe how that number would shrink for the Southern Cross stuff. But I haven't been following Robotech stuff at all that much. I'm not sure it's a question of estimating the total number of Robotech fans out there as it is the number who are willing to drop a significant sum of money on a toy from Robotech's least popular saga. I'd be particularly wary of using Robotech Academy as a means for estimating their numbers too, because you got some folks who flatly refused to pledge regardless of their love for the "original" Robotech series due to the distasteful way they were throwing Carl Macek's name around, and quite a few folks who'd pledged with the intent of withdrawing their pledges at the last minute to ensure failure (an unnecessary gesture, to be sure). A lot of Robotech's fan base is what you'd call the "casual" fans who might buy the show on DVD once or twice, and might look into the comics if something particularly catches their eye (almost invariably Macross-based material). They're not the market Harmony Gold and Toynami would be depending on for an MPC Spartas or Auroran. The market for something like a MPC line based on Southern Cross designs is the a proper subset of the relatively few fans out there who are willing to pay the rather lofty prices demanded for the somewhat sub-par Toynami offerings... namely, those rare fans who don't think Southern Cross is an unholy mess. People must really hate Southern Cross. I didn't know that. I liked it. But I like Robotech as a whole. But I saw it when I was young and didn't know and still haven't seen the Japanese versions of Southern Cross and Mospeada. Something about the designs of Southern Cross are just cool. I like the episodes where Dana and the crew get on the Masters ship too. There's a fair amount of antipathy towards Southern Cross and the Masters Saga of Robotech in evidence... on Robotech.com in particular, the Southern Cross Army had the reputation of being a bunch of incompetent idiots who dropped the ball at the worst possible time and allowed Earth to be invaded twice in quick succession. That's part of why Toynami seems to think that making Masters Saga MPCs is not a safe investment. Tommy's capitalized on this sentiment to actually make a number of cheap shots canon... like turning "Commander Leonard" into a confirmed rabid xenophobe, traitor, saboteur, spy, and a terrorist leader responsible for hijacking a starship and nuking a vital planetary defense installation. Quote
yui1107 Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Robotechvisions Their fanartworks usually treat about "The fall of ASC" ! https://m.facebook.com/robotechvisions Quote
yui1107 Posted September 21, 2014 Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Jose Ortiz upload 30th. Anniversary logomark for Facebook SC. community. https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=23958284943&ref=stream&refid=17&_ft_=fbid.10150272273989944 Edited October 6, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
yui1107 Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Robotech Visions " United together for VICTORY ! " https://m.facebook.com/robotechvisions/photos/a.338421002960113.1073741830.332880500180830/507636469371898/?type=1&refid=18&__tn__=E Edited September 22, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 the pictures are normal now Quote
yui1107 Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Jose Ortiz draw fake cover-art Variable Fighter Master file. Light VERITECH Fighter VF-8 "LOGAN". [ T.A.S.C. identify code : TASC-01-SCF ] Funny , but I WISH using Brian Denmeade's CG ART ! Quote
yui1107 Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Mobile Suit Girls Variable Fighter Girls And now.... The VERITECH (Hovertank)girl "VHT-2/A2 Spartia" girl" ? Edited September 22, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
JetJockey Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I've never seen this Robotech Visions before. Is it a comic? The Facebook link is a mobile version. I'll look into the normal site a bit later. Quote
yui1107 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) www. Web adress Facebook for PC www.ROBOTECH Visions The fanarts of Robotech Dana Stering (S.D.C. SOUTHERN-CROSS "Jeanne Francaix" ) by various fanartists Edited October 9, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
yui1107 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Robotech VERITECH Light Fighter VF-8 "LOGAN" Blueprint archive Edited October 9, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
yui1107 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Krauss-Maffei Technologies GmbH VHT-04 [A2] " SPARTUS-II " * Orijinal size 1254 x 1349 pixels URL is below ! Orijinal size 1254 x 1349 pixels image URL Edited October 9, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
505thAirborne Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Krauss-Maffei Technologies GmbHVHT-04 [A2] " SPARTUS-II " * Orijinal size 1254 x 1349 pixels URL is below ! http://image01.seesaawiki.jp/h/n/harmony-gold_japan/1d4aed1891deff17%20.jpg Part Hovertank, part Mobile Suit. Pretty cool looking! Quote
renegadeleader1 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Part Hovertank, part Mobile Suit. Pretty cool looking! My love of GM's tells me that the base of the model is a RGM-89 Jegan from the HGUC line. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 the shoulder's look like rx-78gp-02a's nuke type. Quote
yui1107 Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Robotech Nova Satori by LeElf on deviantART Robotech Marie Crystal by LeElf on Windows One dirve (2nd revised drawing). Robotech Marie Crystal by LeElf on Windows One dirve (The First abort drawing Marie “Angel” Crystal by LeElf because of the resemblance about Miss Saya Otonashi in Blood+ ). Edited September 29, 2015 by yui1107 Quote
yui1107 Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) No.08 ARII 1/12 "Lana Isavia" ( Nova Satori ) sculptured by Mr.Gendai Saeki in "SAKAMOCHI MODEL COMPETITION" Edited October 9, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
Hoptimus Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 That model/Statue turned out pretty awesome! Now get one of Mary Angel/Marie Crystal and of course Jeanie aka Dana. Quote
yui1107 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Robotech Visions NEW fanart : Marie (Angel) Crystal has married ! Edited October 14, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
Marzan Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Always liked Marie best out of the Southern Cross girls. Quote
derex3592 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I was always a Nova fan myself! Just a cool name! Quote
JetJockey Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Nova is cool. But she was always the cop. But it is a good name for a girl. I've never met a Nova in real life. Quote
derex3592 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Me neither! If I ever have a daughter, I might go for that name! Quote
CoryHolmes Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Marie is awesome because she and Dana duke it out like one of the boys. No real high school drama club, they take their men and get them into a ruckus of a bar brawl And then they get in their mecha and blow the crap out of the bad guys. Their rivalry really did make for a neat side story in Robotech. Quote
yui1107 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) Fall of the Southern Cross:Marie Angel Crystal The latest recruiting campaign featuring heroines of the United Earth Forces was very successful and popular... Edited October 11, 2014 by yui1107 Quote
505thAirborne Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 The more I read this thread the more I keep feeling that I would love to see Southern Cross rebooted as a new series. Same characters, Mecha and hopefully the story ending the way it was originally supposed to vs. the rushed ending it was given. Great excuse for new toys & kits! Quote
yui1107 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 The Red and Blue BIOROIDs'_Anti- compressive "jpg" deterioration 2775 x 1952 pixels image Quote
EXO Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Cool. That's going to help me once I do my 1/72 versions. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Robotech Visions NEW fanart ....Marie Angel Crystal has married[/url] ! this fanart looks better than robotech academy art. they should've got these fans to draw for HG. Quote
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