Macross Frontier Mecha/Technology Thread IV *Read 1st Post*

[azrael]

...the CV404 Uraga carrier, and the ARMD 01-362 series space carriers', but let's throw in an undesignated stealth frigate just to mess with everyone's sense of order....

Just to settle the matter, Chronicle answered this set. Uraga-class, Guantanamo-class (or Advanced-ARMD), and Northampton-class, respectively.

[RedWolf]

Just to settle the matter, Chronicle answered this set. Uraga-class, Guantanamo-class (or Advanced-ARMD), and Northampton-class, respectively.

I think he's referring to the Steath Cruisers in Macross Frontier that look like the human variant of the Algenicus.

We don't know if this is the mysterious Haruna class stealth space cuisers that Maximilian Jenius used to command.

[Gubaba]

We don't know if this is the mysterious Haruna class stealth space cuisers that Maximilian Jenius used to command.

No, that one looks like this:

[Killer Robot]

No, that one looks like this:

Does Max commanding those have anything to do his and Milia's separation?

[Morpheus]

Ehem, so whats the cruisers line in NUNS?

I was thinking like this:

Haruma Stealth Cruiser -> Algenicus Special Ops Cruiser -> Unnamed Stealth Cruiser in MF.

[RedWolf]

Ehem, so whats the cruisers line in NUNS?

I was thinking like this:

Haruma Stealth Cruiser -> Algenicus Special Ops Cruiser -> Unnamed Stealth Cruiser in MF.

Thats Haruna.

The Algenicus oes have a superficial resemblance to the unnamed stealth cruiser.

Other mystery ships.

Macross Plus

Macross Frontier

The ship the big arrow light.

Edited April 29, 2009 by RedWolf

[anime52k8]

the model looks like a poorly drawn Guantanamo class

the one with the arrow in front of it looks like a Guantanamo as well.

[RedWolf]

The only named Stealth Cruisers before these Frontier Stealth Cruisers appeared on screen were the Haruna and Red Moon. Both were consecutive commands of Maximilian Jenius prior to Battle 7 and Macross 7 Fleet. Mylene was born on the Red Moon. All the sisters were at the Red Moon with exception of Moa who was serving as a pilot in Algenicus' Dancing Skulls.

The only named Steath Cruiser in Frontier is the Akazuki, which promptly blew up.

Also according to the Macross Compendium the Algenicus is a Special Forces Cruiser. Emphasis on Special Forces cause this ship had Max and Millia as a squadron. It had a lot of Zentradi elements in its design.

Stealth Attack Variable Carrier Vessel (Vahhala III), Saratoga II Escort Battle Carrier, and the Special Forces Cruiser (Algenicus) are ships with elite cut above the rest squadrons which deals with terrorist threats like Zentradi rebels and Anti-UN groups.

SWAT team versions of the typical Valkyrie squadrons. Their pilots can operate multiple types of Valkyries.

[Moly_Sigang]

here's a quick (noobish) question:

How did the Protoculture develop their Fold Technology? Did they take every piece of Fold Quartz they could get from the Vajra's?

[Beltane70]

To my knowledge, it hasn't been revealed how the Protoculture developed fold technology.

[azrael]

here's a quick (noobish) question:

How did the Protoculture develop their Fold Technology? Did they take every piece of Fold Quartz they could get from the Vajra's?

Same way we developed airplanes. Studied the Vajra and fold quartz, trial and error, and lots of crash test dummies.

[RedWolf]

I'm venturing to guess they studied both the Vajra and Galactic Whales. The only natural space folding creatures known to exist.

[Sir Galahad®]

Although they haven't perfected fold technology, since they cannot fold into a different space instantaneously with zero lag time.

[RedWolf]

Although it hasn't been expressed explicitly fold enigines may require some element, mineral or compound to function.

Criminal elements around Zola use Galactic Whales to make better fold engines.

Fold quartz extracted from Vajra makes super fold boosters.

Also on planet Veil the miners were mining some element or mineral called Berganium.

[Sir Galahad®]

Well I don't think that the humans used quartz from Vajra as they discovered their Existence around the 2040s.

I think they based their fold technology from the crashed Alien Star Ship (which became SDF-1) macross the remains of the Bird Human, and of course reverse engineering the zentradi warships (there were a lot of them).

Didn't the Vajra Scavenge around to produce the Quartz inside their bodies?

Given that up to the point that Fold Technology didn't quite advance (The Protoculture were using it for so long), and the people from LAI have been improving it (reducing the lag time), does this mean at this point, the humans have surpassed the protoculture?

[RedWolf]

Well I don't think that the humans used quartz from Vajra as they discovered their Existence around the 2040s.

I think they based their fold technology from the crashed Alien Star Ship (which became SDF-1) macross the remains of the Bird Human, and of course reverse engineering the zentradi warships (there were a lot of them).

Didn't the Vajra Scavenge around to produce the Quartz inside their bodies?

Given that up to the point that Fold Technology didn't quite advance (The Protoculture were using it for so long), and the people from LAI have been improving it (reducing the lag time), does this mean at this point, the humans have surpassed the protoculture?

More like the Protoculture don't know how to produce Fold Quartz. Or the humans for that matter.

The culture of the Protoculture does not seem to be the type to harm Vajra or Whales.

If one is make an analogy the Vajra are like bees. The Protoculture may have gathered fold quartz like getting honey.

It would explain how a fold quartz ended up as a heirloom of the Nome family. Passed down from the Protoculture.

But it can be argued by studying these fold capable creatures the Protoculture made breakthroughs with the Miclone process and Super Dimensional organs. As with the Zentradi and Evil Series,

One probable instance of the Protoculture copying the Vajra is the planet designated by UN Spacy as New Asia. An abandoned Protoculture planet. There UN Spacy using leftover biotechnology created giant bug weapons controled by a single queen bug.

In Macross M3 the experiment went awry. Max and Millia were sent to clean up the mess. By cleaning I mean getting rid of all the beam blasting bugs.

[Graham]

Sketchley posted a link to a partial translation of the Armoured VF-25S page from Macross Chronicle (see link in quote from Sketchley below).

Chronicle Mechanic: MF Citizen 02B: VF-25S Messiah http://www.macrossroleplay.org/forums/index.php?topic=2167.0 (about halfway through the data stats. Will be doing the missile counts, etc. that are printed, but as Gubaba has mentioned he'll be doing it, I'll leave it once the missile stats are up.)

I presume the 57mm beam guns are the two big ball turret mounted guns, but I'm curious as to where the 4 x 22mm guns are located. Any ideas anybody?

Graham

[Sir Galahad®]

Sketchley posted a link to a partial translation of the Armoured VF-25S page from Macross Chronicle (see link in quote from Sketchley below).

I presume the 57mm beam guns are the two big ball turret mounted guns, but I'm curious as to where the 4 x 22mm guns are located. Any ideas anybody?

Graham

Head Lasers?

[Letigre]

Nope. Head lasers are 12.7 mm and the translation is only pertaining to the Armored Pack's weaponry.

What they might be are there are two ports, one on each side of the armor chestplate, and then identical one's slung under each arm. Maybe those are the 22mm, although they seem bigger than the ball turrets, and I can't specifically remember them firing at all. (But I haven't watched the series since January..)

Edited May 3, 2009 by Letigre

[Sir Galahad®]

I guess..... looking at the armored VF-25 though.... all I can see are the 4 X 12.7 mm head beam guns, 2 x 25 mm machine guns in the intake (torso when battroid) and the 2 x 57mm ball turrets.... Still looking where the 4x20mm guns are.

I think I never saw them used in the series.... it's all missiles, head lasers and gun pod....

Edited May 3, 2009 by Sir Galahad®

[Sir Galahad®]

I saw these at the New-un spacy site (http://www.new-un-spacy.com)

Could this be it?

[Mr March]

There is several unidentified ports on the VF-25S Armored Messiah that could be weapon ports. I once made a highlighted picture, which I will attach to this post. I'm thinking they may be the green (not the big guns, the smaller green ones) and blue highlighted areas on my Battroid picture, but that's just a guess.

There is also a weird armored portion for the standard 25 mm guns on the VF-25S Fighter mode (the ones near the intakes). The armored portion features some kind of additional plate with an exit port for the standard 25mm gun underneath it, but then has two other ports. These additional ports could just be vents or gas exhaust of some kind (since the standard 25mm guns have these kind of slots as well). But there are four of them, two on each side and they appear about the same size as the 25 mm guns. See attached picture.

Edited May 3, 2009 by Mr March

[Graham]

I suspect the large ports under the chest missile launchers are just vent ports, for when the missiles are fired. The could possibly be reverse thrusters also?

I'm gonna go with the two slots under the ports for the 25mm gun as being the 2 x 22mm guns.

Graham

[edwin3060]

Yep me too. Unfortunately the writers at Mac Chronicles don't go into as much detail as Mr March so we'll probably never know for sure.

Looking through the translation more carefully, it seems that the Armoured Pack has the exact same number of boosters and maneuvering thrusters as the Super pack, despite being 12 t heavier. The acceleration is correspondingly decreased to 11.5G from 15G. Given other statements about the maneuverability of the VF-25 Armoured vs the VF-25 clean configuration, I guess we can posit that the insane thrust values for the VF-25's main engines are not normally used in the clean configuration-- that the engine is usually used at less than 1/2 of full thrust?

Also, the translation allows us to check the accuracy of the VF-25S Armoured kit that is coming out soon--and the count of 16 chest missiles on the kit doesn't tally with the translation of 20 missiles in the chest pods I guess that means that we won't know the missile payload of the VF-25 Super by extension until the actual translations come out then.

Edited May 4, 2009 by edwin3060

[anime52k8]

I suspect the large ports under the chest missile launchers are just vent ports, for when the missiles are fired. The could possibly be reverse thrusters also?

I'm gonna go with the two slots under the ports for the 25mm gun as being the 2 x 22mm guns.

Graham

that would make the most sense, although I'm partly still inclined to believe that the 4 long pipes on the main boosters are the guns. Even though they are really poorly placed to be guns, they their size, shape and how they attach to the boosters make it believable that they are guns. not to mention I can't think of any better explanation as to what they are.

the additional ports on the armor sit right over the existing vents for the fighters guns, and are positioned in such a way that at least the top one might not leave enough room for a gun. the ports being for the vents of the 25mm seems a little more believable.

as for the chest things, the main problem their is that theirs only 2 of them. unless they're shrouds that cover 2 guns each.

[edwin3060]

that would make the most sense, although I'm partly still inclined to believe that the 4 long pipes on the main boosters are the guns. Even though they are really poorly placed to be guns, they their size, shape and how they attach to the boosters make it believable that they are guns. not to mention I can't think of any better explanation as to what they are.

the additional ports on the armor sit right over the existing vents for the fighters guns, and are positioned in such a way that at least the top one might not leave enough room for a gun. the ports being for the vents of the 25mm seems a little more believable.

as for the chest things, the main problem their is that theirs only 2 of them. unless they're shrouds that cover 2 guns each.

Hmm.. but those 4 pipes would be obstructed by the attachment of reaction missiles, no?

The chest things seem to big to be the additional cannons... but they could be paired with the arm things for a total of 4 guns again so that's probably my second guess.

[Graham]

My guess is that the 4 tube things are fuel tanks.

[edwin3060]

Seems a little small to be fuel tanks, given that the armour pack has 15 tons of chemical propellants... unless it's a super-dimensional fuel tank?

I always thought that the reaction missiles were actually attached to those tubes, but since the model kit pics came out I realised that I was wrong... I'd guess that they are thrusters extended further out from the body (longer moment arm) but then the reaction missiles would affect their operation as well.. maybe they are just a stylistic element?

[Knight26]

They're beam sabers.

*runs from flying fruit flung his way*

[Morpheus]

They're beam sabers.

*runs from flying fruit flung his way*

Wrong, they are PPB sabers.

Even Quarter could shape its PPB into an energy bayonet on the tip of its Macross Cannon/Rifle, why can't valks do the same thing with their gunpods.

[RedWolf]

Wrong, they are PPB sabers.

Even Quarter could shape its PPB into an energy bayonet on the tip of its Macross Cannon/Rifle, why can't valks do the same thing with their gunpods.

Which reminds me the VF-11B has a bayonet in its gunpod.

Isamu skewered a Zentradi battlesuit with it. Lots of blood too.

[Ishimaru]

Never seen this posted anywhere (I think), but hot damn these are the clearest shots of Battle Frontier and Galaxy that I have ever seen.

[VF-25 Messiah]

Never seen this posted anywhere (I think), but hot damn these are the clearest shots of Battle Frontier and Galaxy that I have ever seen.

look harder, they've been posted at least twice in other threads

Edited May 7, 2009 by VF-25 Messiah

[azrael]

look harder, they've been posted at least twice in other threads

Not to mention I've already mentioned it's from the box that comes with Vol. 9 DVD/Blu-Ray.

[Letigre]

Maybe it's the perspective, but why does Frontier's Gunship always look signifcantly longer?

And did we resolve this guns on the armored pack mess? I still beleive it's the tubes onthe arms and under the chest launchers..