Macross Frontier Mecha/Technology Thread IV *Read 1st Post*

[Gubaba]

Too bad for Michael that last year was the Year of the Dead Sniper. I think only Duke Togo, Gogol 13 not the MW member, came out alive.

You mean MW's Duke Togo...*gulp*...didn't make it?

[Sir Galahad®]

Does the VF-171 Nightmare Plus have a Gun Pod/Or Even A Beam Cannon? I mean the VF-171EX has a beam cannon connected to the arm that serves as the "Gun" during Battroid Mode. I was trying to re-watch the Series and not even once have I seen the Nightmare Plus have an Armament in Battroid Mode.

I guess they are truly cannon fodder

[Seto Kaiba]

Does the VF-171 Nightmare Plus have a Gun Pod/Or Even A Beam Cannon? I mean the VF-171EX has a beam cannon connected to the arm that serves as the "Gun" during Battroid Mode. I was trying to re-watch the Series and not even once have I seen the Nightmare Plus have an Armament in Battroid Mode.

Yeah, there is a gunpod for the VF-171 Nightmare Plus, but I can only think of one scene where the fighter is actually depicted carrying it. The Macross Frontier Official Fan Book has art for it on page 114. There's also color art of the RVF-171EX holding it.

By the look of things, it's virtually identical to the gunpod used by the VF-17, right down to the Gundam-style grip on the left side. It may or may not have originally been stored inside the leg like the VF-17 had, but in its one appearance (episode 23) it's shown being carried on a ventral hardpoint like most gunpods. (The particular scene is where Alto and his two hapless wingmen are flying by Island-1 in their new VF-171EX's, and Maruyama points out Sheryl and asks Alto if he can get him her autograph).

Edited April 13, 2009 by Seto Kaiba

[anime52k8]

F**** YEAH! DIAMOND FORCE!!!

:edit: I just noticed that you can just see the edge of the canopy in battroid mode from a certain angle right before the actual punch.

Edited April 13, 2009 by anime52k8

[azrael]

Does the VF-171 Nightmare Plus have a Gun Pod/Or Even A Beam Cannon? I mean the VF-171EX has a beam cannon connected to the arm that serves as the "Gun" during Battroid Mode. I was trying to re-watch the Series and not even once have I seen the Nightmare Plus have an Armament in Battroid Mode.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of documentation that I have or seen on the VF-171. They only thing the VF-171 retains from the VF-17 is the gun pod, probably the head lasers (this hasn't been documented so it's a maybe) and the shoulder missile launchers (reduced to 1 exit port/shoulder on the VF-171 instead of 2/shoulder on the VF-17). The cockpit laser guns are now machine guns according to the Vol. 8 liner notes and Official Fanbook.

[anime52k8]

just looking at the animation, it looks like aside from the cockpit guns, there is 1 missile launcher on each shoulder (down from 2), but there appears to be missile ports on insides of the legs (belly of the fighter mode). It also looks like the the forearm mounted guns are still present.

until we get some published stats, we don't know, but there's the possibility.

[Zinjo]

Nonetheless, you're right that the context is clearly stating the SSL-9B is one of the most powerful valkyrie guns. Regardless of what the actual numbers might be, a dense projectile shot from that sniper gun at 7,490 m/s is going to go through nearly anything. It's no wonder I originally mistook the gun for a beam weapon when it vaporized a Vajra's head and torso

The SSL-9B is capable of firing a projectile at rail gun speeds (7000m/s +), which theoretically can turn the projectile into a plasma mass. If this is the idea behind the weapon, then the effects of the weapon shown in the series would be consistent with current theory. The fact that it appears the have the same "melt" affect on the targets as a beam weapon would as well as it's extreme long range in space.

[Mr March]

Not sure how fast a projectile has to be going to turn into plasma, but the heat generated when something is struck by a mass moving that fast would be intense. They say rail gun projectiles produce a far more powerful release of energy than an equivalent amount of explosives because of the incredible kinetic energy involved. They did a good job portraying the effect of this powerful gun in the series. I especially like that the SSL-9B is shown as incredibly powerful in effect, but doesn't need some big flashy mega-blast display of fireworks when fired. Don't get me wrong, I love a good super dimension energy cannon as much as the next Macross fan, but kinetic kills are still the most fun

[Zinjo]

Not sure how fast a projectile has to be going to turn into plasma, but the heat generated when something is struck by a mass moving that fast would be intense. They say rail gun projectiles produce a far more powerful release of energy than an equivalent amount of explosives because of the incredible kinetic energy involved. They did a good job portraying the effect of this powerful gun in the series. I especially like that the SSL-9B is shown as incredibly powerful in effect, but doesn't need some big flashy mega-blast display of fireworks when fired. Don't get me wrong, I love a good super dimension energy cannon as much as the next Macross fan, but kinetic kills are still the most fun

The rail gun flash is shorter in duration that that of a chemically propelled projectile, but somewhat more intense. I've seen a video of a small scale rail gun experiement tested and the flash is intense, but very very short, most likely due to the incredible exit speed of the projectile.

[Sir Galahad®]

Is it just me or I just haven't seen any brownie VF-25 mecha being destroyed. I mean I see a VF-27 being shot down (by Brera of course). Of course the VF-171 fighters are cannon fodder ehehehe....

[Rbstr]

I dono, Alto seems to get his VF-25 blown up a lot.

[anime52k8]

oddly enough the only VF-25's that get shot down are main character valks. either Alto or luca get shot down the most, fallowed by Michael.

[Graham]

oddly enough the only VF-25's that get shot down are main character valks. either Alto or luca get shot down the most, fallowed by Michael.

Ozma is the man. He may have been injured a couple of times, but he never actually lost a Valk!

[Macross007]

Ozma is the man. He may have been injured a couple of times, but he never actually lost a Valk!

We DO know Ozma is the MAN. He was CRYING that during the duration of the series.

Edited April 19, 2009 by Macross007

[edwin3060]

It's the revenge of the brownies! All the attention-whore-main-characters can go forward and catch the enemy fire, while the brownies sit back and relax

[Ishimaru]

oddly enough the only VF-25's that get shot down are main character valks. either Alto or luca get shot down the most, fallowed by Michael.

Alto damaged his a thousand times and had it destroyed once. And Sheryl got Michel's destroyed in a matter of seconds with the guy unconscious in the front.

Ozma is the man. He may have been injured a couple of times, but he never actually lost a Valk!

No Luca is the man. He only lost his gunpod twice and that was it, and he wasn't injured despite that. *cross arms*

[anime52k8]

Alto damaged his a thousand times and had it destroyed once. And Sheryl got Michel's destroyed in a matter of seconds with the guy unconscious in the front.

No Luca is the man. He only lost his gunpod twice and that was it, and he wasn't injured despite that. *cross arms*

Luca gets shot up almost as many times as Alto, and he's not even fighting!

[RedWolf]

VF-27 Lucifer Manufacturer: Macross Galaxy Variable Fighter Development Arsenal (Guld Works)

Guld Works? Macross Galaxy called their VF company Guld Works?

Ok he's dead guy but does that mean they managed to acquire patents on the BDI and BDS?

[DarkReaper]

I don't think there is anything more behind Guld Works than just an otaku reference to skunkworks and Mac+

[azrael]

Guld Works? Macross Galaxy called their VF company Guld Works?

Guld Goa Bowman: ガルド・ゴア・ボーマン

The vol. 6 liner notes say: マクロス・ギャラクシー可変戦闘機開発工廠(ガルド・ワークス)

I don't think there is anything more behind Guld Works than just an otaku reference to skunkworks and Mac+

Yeh. I won't think too much about it except it's just word play which Frontier seems to be littered with.

[edwin3060]

Or maybe it is named in memory of the half-breed that helped save the world! I mean, he's the pioneer test subject for BCS/BDI, so for Mac Galaxy, which has so much cybernetics work going on, he would be a good mascot to get behind, helping people get over their objections about having cyborgs around

[Sir Galahad®]

I saw a pic of Battle Galaxy in both Carrier and Attack Mode. (in Mahq.Net). Do we have any specifications of picture yet on how the Battle Galaxy is attached to the colony? I encircled a part of the Galaxy that may look similar to the bridge area of the battle galaxy, but still not sure.

Edited April 20, 2009 by Sir Galahad®

[azrael]

Do we have any specifications of picture yet on how the Battle Galaxy is attached to the colony?

Nope.

[anime52k8]

I saw a pic of Battle Galaxy in both Carrier and Attack Mode. (in Mahq.Net). Do we have any specifications of picture yet on how the Battle Galaxy is attached to the colony? I encircled a part of the Galaxy that may look similar to the bridge area of the battle galaxy, but still not sure.

nobody knows, but I have a feeling that either battle Galaxy is completely inside of Galaxy Mainland such that it's not visible from the outside; or they are acutely never connected.

[RedWolf]

Galaxy Mainland didn't have Battle 21 when it left Eden.

NMCV-25 Macross Frontier left Earth in 2041. Ten years before that, 2031, Galaxy fleet launched.

Macross 7 launched in 2038, Macross 1 launched in 2030.

And based on the attack footage in episode 7 there didn't seem to be any Battle ship attached.

[anime52k8]

Galaxy Mainland didn't have Battle 21 when it left Eden.

NMCV-25 Macross Frontier left Earth in 2041. Ten years before that, 2031, Galaxy fleet launched.

Macross 7 launched in 2038, Macross 1 launched in 2030.

And based on the attack footage in episode 7 there didn't seem to be any Battle ship attached.

it's interesting that, based on when the 21 was completed,at least the first 21 fleets were commissioned before 2030. I wonder why it took so long to finish the 7 though?

Edited April 21, 2009 by anime52k8

[RedWolf]

it's interesting that, based on when the 21 was completed,at least the first 21 fleets were commissioned before 2030. I wonder why it took so long to finish the 7 though?

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The Macross Galaxy colonization fleet is the 9th Large-scale emigration fleet, and the 21st New Macross Class Emigration Fleet, which departed from the planet Eden about 10 years prior to Frontier's departure. Supported and planned by large corporations, it was designed with many new technologies which continually evolved as the fleet traveled through space. Among those evolving technologies were cybernetics and cybernetic implants.

Macross 1 was finished in 2030 a year later Galaxy Mainland launched.

I take it that the City Class was a government sponsored design and Mainland type is a private design because of galaxy's corporate nature.

It wouldn't surprise me if Galaxy mainland was an armed colony.

Also Megaroad fleets are escorted by one or two Macross Class vessels. I take it Battle 21 had a similar role escorting Galaxy Mainland.

Macross Galaxy didn't have the NMCV designation till it recieved or built Battle 21/Galaxy.

It could also explain why Battle 13 is refered as Macross 13. New Macross Class Battle carriers assigned to non-City class or non-Island Cluster class vessels.

[anime52k8]

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The Macross Galaxy colonization fleet is the 9th Large-scale emigration fleet, and the 21st New Macross Class Emigration Fleet, which departed from the planet Eden about 10 years prior to Frontier's departure. Supported and planned by large corporations, it was designed with many new technologies which continually evolved as the fleet traveled through space. Among those evolving technologies were cybernetics and cybernetic implants.

Macross 1 was finished in 2030 a year later Galaxy Mainland launched.

I take it that the City Class was a government sponsored design and Mainland type is a private design because of galaxy's corporate nature.

It wouldn't surprise me if Galaxy mainland was an armed colony.

Also Megaroad fleets are escorted by one or two Macross Class vessels. I take it Battle 21 had a similar role escorting Galaxy Mainland.

Macross Galaxy didn't have the NMCV designation till it recieved or built Battle 21/Galaxy.

It could also explain why Battle 13 is refered as Macross 13. New Macross Class Battle carriers assigned to non-City class or non-Island Cluster class vessels.

the Galaxy was a corporate venture but it was still a part of the NUNG and it's military force was officially part of the NUNS. The way I see it, the Galaxy was built and funded by the private corporations, but was chartered under NUNS. the consortium responsible for the Galaxy fleet probably drew up the plans for a fleet and brought it to Spacy who gave it the go ahead as part of their SLREF program, commissioning it as the 21st macross fleet.

the reason the Macross 21 was launched only a year after the Macross 1 is that even though it was commissioned after all the other Fleet it was probebly built in non-spacy operated dry docks so it could be built at the same time as the Macross 1 and most likely be built at a faster pase than a military run construction.

[Mr March]

Oh, newly translated goodies about the Macross 5 fleet on the Macross Compendium. Yummy!

*gobble, gobble*

[Killer Robot]

nobody knows, but I have a feeling that either battle Galaxy is completely inside of Galaxy Mainland such that it's not visible from the outside; or they are acutely never connected.

My third possibility is that we're looking at Mainland from the rear: looking at that, or some higher resolution images of the same screenshot I've seen, the navigation lights are all red on one left and green on the right. Traditionally that means port and starboard respectively, meaning we're looking at the stern of the ship.

Weird looking a ship as it is, I figure either direction is possible for its facing.

[anime52k8]

My third possibility is that we're looking at Mainland from the rear: looking at that, or some higher resolution images of the same screenshot I've seen, the navigation lights are all red on one left and green on the right. Traditionally that means port and starboard respectively, meaning we're looking at the stern of the ship.

Weird looking a ship as it is, I figure either direction is possible for its facing.

but if it was the rear of the ship then it's facing the opposite way of every other ship in the shot.

[Mr March]

It's probably just a flipped shot. Happens in editing all the time. Perhaps the shot was originally created to show the fleet and the Macross Galaxy flying from the left of the screen. But in editing, it was found to fit better with the preceding shots or scenes if the fleet shot depicted the fleet coming from the right of the screen. So the image was flipped, hence the incorrect navigation lights. Like I said, it happens all the time.

[Zinjo]

I saw a pic of Battle Galaxy in both Carrier and Attack Mode. (in Mahq.Net). Do we have any specifications of picture yet on how the Battle Galaxy is attached to the colony? I encircled a part of the Galaxy that may look similar to the bridge area of the battle galaxy, but still not sure.

Actually the bridge of the Galaxy looks more like a Megaroad bridge than anything else.

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The Macross Galaxy colonization fleet is the 9th Large-scale emigration fleet, and the 21st New Macross Class Emigration Fleet, which departed from the planet Eden about 10 years prior to Frontier's departure. Supported and planned by large corporations, it was designed with many new technologies which continually evolved as the fleet traveled through space. Among those evolving technologies were cybernetics and cybernetic implants.

Macross 1 was finished in 2030 a year later Galaxy Mainland launched.

I take it that the City Class was a government sponsored design and Mainland type is a private design because of galaxy's corporate nature.

It wouldn't surprise me if Galaxy mainland was an armed colony.

Also Megaroad fleets are escorted by one or two Macross Class vessels. I take it Battle 21 had a similar role escorting Galaxy Mainland.

Macross Galaxy didn't have the NMCV designation till it recieved or built Battle 21/Galaxy.

It could also explain why Battle 13 is refered as Macross 13. New Macross Class Battle carriers assigned to non-City class or non-Island Cluster class vessels.

Well nice of the research crew to add "NMCV" to the confusion surrounding naming conventions and designations of warships in the Macross universe...

A little consistency would be nice right about now....

We have the SDF-1 Macross, SDFN-4 Global, the NMCV(?) Macross 7, 21, & 25 [assuming NMCV is a military designation like the SDF-1 series of warships were-but not necessarily and maybe...], the CV404 Uraga carrier, and the ARMD 01-362 series space carriers', but let's throw in an undesignated stealth frigate just to mess with everyone's sense of order....

Now each are meticulously classified and the VF-s are meticulously designated, but the rest are three sheets to the wind....

I love and hate Macross sometimes....

[Zinjo]

It's probably just a flipped shot. Happens in editing all the time. Perhaps the shot was originally created to show the fleet and the Macross Galaxy flying from the left of the screen. But in editing, it was found to fit better with the preceding shots or scenes if the fleet shot depicted the fleet coming from the right of the screen. So the image was flipped, hence the incorrect navigation lights. Like I said, it happens all the time.

Maybe, but if you look closely at the lineart in the DVD liner notes, you can't tell which end is which, nevermind which side is which...

[sketchley]

Well nice of the research crew to add "NMCV" to the confusion surrounding naming conventions and designations of warships in the Macross universe...

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, so I'll point it out anyways: the NMCV line in RedWolf's post is RedWolf's personal opinion.

See: http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Macross_Galaxy_(fleet)

and http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Macross_Galaxy

Edited April 24, 2009 by sketchley