Ginrai Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 that Bandai/Toynami deal's gone belly-up, blame HG. HG is always the problem. This is ridiculous. HG was planning to sell them on Robotech.com.
UN_MARINE Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 ok, well, it could also be the other way around. Bandai could be trying to Valk-block HG. only time & product delivery will tell.
drifand Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Yes, 'exclusives' suck... just more anxiety for the real fans as scalpers rejoice. Here's hoping for a miracle...
macrossnake Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 I would like to get the VF-25G set comes with 1/60 Ranka Lee (25mm), Speakers and Super Fold Booster. Why exclusive?
wwkkim Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Hey Guys, so what are the limited edition coming out? 1. VF-25F Alto Super Pack 2. VF-25G Michael Ranka Rescue Ver. 3. RVF-25 Ghosts Is this the end of the list? I was really hoping for limited edition of Sheryl VF-25F....
VFTF1 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Well - I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade; particularly people living in the USA, but here's my view about this whole Bandai/Toynami/HG thing: I HOPE the deal fell through. I HOPE Toynami and HG are kept as far away as possible from Macross Frontier. Why? Because I don't trust them. I don't trust them to do what's right for fans, for Macross, for the franchise. They have already done enough damage to Macross as it is. I do not believe that they will miraculously do an about face and find mutual interest in cooperating with Bandai or any other Japanese based part of the Macross puzzle. I do not believe it because from my point of view, they have never shown any effort over the past years to be anything but negative. Letters sent out to dealers in the USA threatening legal action - that's pretty much all they have been doing. Meanwhile companies like Yamato have been engineering beautiful works of art and companies like Bandai have been risking large amounts of capital to sponsor a show as great as Macross: Frontier. And now Toynami and HG just want a piece of the action? Sorry - no way. Shouldn't happen. If Bandai are smart they will stay away from these people. Their credibility as a business partner is ZERO. There are plenty of other potential partners in the USA with whom one could eventually come to some kind of deal rather than resorting to dealing with people who have a history of litigating rather than cooperating. Pete
Smiley424 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 man, I'm pretty meh about the Bandai 1/60 Frontier toys. I'm just gonna wait and see for a detailed review from folks here first. These exclusives make me want to get these even less. I think I'm gonna just get one but even then I'm still not completely sold. I might just invest all my moneys in the Macross Quarter instead.
daflip702 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 I would like to get the VF-25G set comes with 1/60 Ranka Lee (25mm), Speakers and Super Fold Booster. Why exclusive? Eh....exclusives just drive up the cost and calls for bragging rights. They are made for the "serious/hardcore" collectors or those people like me who sell stuff on ebay(serious cha-ching). You got to hand it to them though, At some point we're all trying to make more ways of getting uber money. To me exclusives are just plain bulls-hit....but very mesmerizing indeed..... daflip702: "Ooooh look at that, gotta have, gotta have." Wallet: "Bloody fk-n murder!!!!!" Look like i got to call the proxy services.
badboy00z Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 How are making these extra parts "exclusive" a good idea for profit? If one can only get them from a selected source and at a high price, not a lot of people will buy them. Hardcore fans would be willing to but what about your average fan?
anime52k8 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Well - I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade; particularly people living in the USA, but here's my view about this whole Bandai/Toynami/HG thing: I HOPE the deal fell through. I HOPE Toynami and HG are kept as far away as possible from Macross Frontier. Why? Because I don't trust them. I don't trust them to do what's right for fans, for Macross, for the franchise. They have already done enough damage to Macross as it is. I do not believe that they will miraculously do an about face and find mutual interest in cooperating with Bandai or any other Japanese based part of the Macross puzzle. I do not believe it because from my point of view, they have never shown any effort over the past years to be anything but negative. Letters sent out to dealers in the USA threatening legal action - that's pretty much all they have been doing. Meanwhile companies like Yamato have been engineering beautiful works of art and companies like Bandai have been risking large amounts of capital to sponsor a show as great as Macross: Frontier. And now Toynami and HG just want a piece of the action? Sorry - no way. Shouldn't happen. If Bandai are smart they will stay away from these people. Their credibility as a business partner is ZERO. There are plenty of other potential partners in the USA with whom one could eventually come to some kind of deal rather than resorting to dealing with people who have a history of litigating rather than cooperating. Pete the problem with that though is THERE IS NO ONE ELSE that BW/Bandai/Yamato/ can work with when it comes to importing Macross toys into the US. Whether or not HG actually holds the rights that they say they do, and whether or not what they're doing is right or acceptable form a moral and/or legal standpoint is ultimately irrelevant, the fact is that HG has a stranglehold on all things macross in the US and Toynami is the only company that they've given distribution rights to. in other words, if Bandai/Yamato/anyone else making macross products wants to play ball in the US, then they either play HG's game or not at all. and if with that in mind your position is still the same, and you would prefer that we not be able to get Macross toys in the US cheaply and legally then bandai make a deal with HG/Toynami, then I applaud you for taking the moral high ground and sticking with it. But at the same time I have no choice but to say SCREW YOUR MORALITY! I want cheap macross merchandise, and I don't care how many people have to get stepped on for it to happen.
GRAND CANNON Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Via CYBERGUNDAM and Tamashii Web Shop: 25/11開始受訂 魂Shop限定 1/60 DX超合金 VF-25F 專用 Fast Pack Is this one of them there exclusive thingeees?
Vifam7 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Via CYBERGUNDAM and Tamashii Web Shop: 25/11開始受訂 魂Shop限定 1/60 DX超合金 VF-25F 專用 Fast Pack Is this one of them there exclusive thingeees? Yup. Limited edition. Only available from Tamashii webshop. For now. Watch them release a set version in 2010.
Renato Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 I may be wrong, but concerning the Ghost and Gallia 4 sets, I don't think the original text actually said anything about them being web exclusives, just that they would be priced 4,000yen on the Tamashii Webshop, while usually they would be 5000yen. I think that coupon thing is a misinterpretation. But certainly it is clear that the Alto Super packs are exclusives. Which is really weird and stupid.
UN Spacy Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 What're the chances that HLJ or Overdrive will be carrying these Fast Packs?
ntsan Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) I want cheap macross merchandise Says people who buy $200 valks without a thought.....Whatever! Maybe should you said that on Yamato thread so maybe Yamato may start producing CHEAP valks as an idea I am not from US so this stuff doesn't affect me at all, I am pretty sure those of us not in US doesn't want the deal went through anyway hehe (so they can still buy cheap in their local imports that HG can't get hold off them) Edited November 14, 2008 by ntsan
jenius Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 What're the chances that HLJ or Overdrive will be carrying these Fast Packs? Overdrive always advertises that if you want a Japan only exclusive that they're willing to help. It certainly never hurts to shoot them an email.
Valkyrie addict Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 why are people here complaining about extra part being exclusive? most of you will not buy this anyway cause of it's fuglyness
QuinJester Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 Clearly you misunderstand. MWers will complain about a figure until the cow's come home, but that doesn't mean they wont buy them . The burden of the Macross addict is heavy indeed.
anime52k8 Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 Says people who buy $200 valks without a thought.....Whatever! Maybe should you said that on Yamato thread so maybe Yamato may start producing CHEAP valks as an idea I am not from US so this stuff doesn't affect me at all, I am pretty sure those of us not in US doesn't want the deal went through anyway hehe (so they can still buy cheap in their local imports that HG can't get hold off them) first of all I put a lot of though into what I spend my money on, hence why I've only got a couple of valks. second I said both bandai and Yamato, and I bring it up here because were talking about the bandai/toynami deal HERE. it's been discused many times in the past whether yamato should make a deal with HG/Toynami. and doing so would more than likely result in Valks being sold in the US at cheaper prices. but sadly both sides have there heads too far up their callective asses to care about what's good for the consumer. and how the hell is Yamato or bandai partnering with toynami/HG going to effect you anyways? anywhere that HG has any ability to prevent importation they already are. and if they struck a deal wiht Yamato/bandai/BW, it would only make things cheaper since they could import in larger quantities direct from the manufacturer. why are people here complaining about extra part being exclusive? most of you will not buy this anyway cause of it's fuglyness you fail to understand the mentality of most Macross fans... were all going to buy them, though most of us will end up only getting 3 of each instead of 10.
Valkyrie addict Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 hahaha! guess I'm not living up to my username then... I only buy one of each and that's enough, but I will most likely not buy the 1/60 VF-25 DX...probably the 1/72
daflip702 Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 How are making these extra parts "exclusive" a good idea for profit? If one can only get them from a selected source and at a high price, not a lot of people will buy them. Hardcore fans would be willing to but what about your average fan? I think everyone here(as in MWF)is at least above your average macross fan. Would you agree? So there is a number of us who will try, but not all will get exclusives. Trust me, exclusives sell. first of all I put a lot of though into what I spend my money on, hence why I've only got a couple of valks. you fail to understand the mentality of most Macross fans... were all going to buy them, though most of us will end up only getting 3 of each instead of 10. 3? Wow great fandom....I estimated 2 but oh well. I guess 3 for each mode right?.....hahaha
jenius Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 Why exclusive suck: Lower sales figures. The toys aren't in B&M stores so you don't get that random pick up. Also, the toy never goes on sale because there's no excess supply lying around and everyone ends up having to pay MSRP (or more for the sad folks outside the range of exclusivity) Why exclusives rock: Toy companies are guaranteed to make more money per unit sold so they can take a risk and make something in smaller quantities. This could be great for collectors because it means a toy not worth the risk of a large production run can still be made by a company (not really the case here). I know Japan and the Far East have a different way of doing things but I know here in the states almost no one buys collectibles from B&M stores. So, if you're a toy manufacturer and everyone is buying their toys online, why not give yourself the monopoly and reap all the profit? Sure, sales are smaller, but you have to imagine with more companies making more exclusives they're coming to the conclusion that the greater profit outweighs the lost sales.
Zinjo Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 second I said both bandai and Yamato, and I bring it up here because were talking about the bandai/toynami deal HERE. it's been discused many times in the past whether yamato should make a deal with HG/Toynami. and doing so would more than likely result in Valks being sold in the US at cheaper prices. but sadly both sides have there heads too far up their callective asses to care about what's good for the consumer. and how the hell is Yamato or bandai partnering with toynami/HG going to effect you anyways? anywhere that HG has any ability to prevent importation they already are. and if they struck a deal wiht Yamato/bandai/BW, it would only make things cheaper since they could import in larger quantities direct from the manufacturer. you fail to understand the mentality of most Macross fans... were all going to buy them, though most of us will end up only getting 3 of each instead of 10. OK, you are making the assumption that the Japanese "think" like Americans, first mistake! BigWest has no interest in making deals with partner companies of Tatsunoko, and HG and Toynami are exactly that. BW would rather loose money than give a dime indirectly to Tatsunoko or its partners. Yamato and Bandai have many ways of marketing Macross merchandise in North America.a True it may not be a large a market share as they could have, but this is about the honor of the IP rights holder and both Yamato and Bandai understand that. Deal with reality. So long as HG blocks Macross productions from US shores we will be paying more. If you want that changed you better start some sort of letter writing campaign to convince HG to relinquish it's erroneous trademark on the name "Macross". Because BigWest isn't interested.
Zinjo Posted November 15, 2008 Posted November 15, 2008 BTW, is there actually going to be two versions of the VF-25? One fighter version and another that transforms from Battroid to GERWALK?
mitch Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Has there been any word at all for an armored pack for the 25s?
Salamander Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 BTW, is there actually going to be two versions of the VF-25? One fighter version and another that transforms from Battroid to GERWALK? You may want to ask that to Hasegawa and Gakken...
Valkyrie addict Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 when is the vf-25 finally gonna get released? seems like forever...I really want to hear about Bandai build quality
SuperHobo Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 when is the vf-25 finally gonna get released? seems like forever...I really want to hear about Bandai build quality Not until Christmas time is when these valks are gonna be released.
Graham Posted November 17, 2008 Author Posted November 17, 2008 Release dates of Dec 25 and Dec 31 have bee posted. Not sure which of these (if any) is official or confirmed. Graham
Cybergig1 Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 I noticed HLJ has the Mickhail and Luca versions up for pre-order early bird special, didn't see if anyone mentioned this yet or not. They aren't priced much more then the standard Alto version so hopefully the fast packs will be cheap if they are ever sold seperately, but well maybe we're just screwed :\
Graham Posted November 17, 2008 Author Posted November 17, 2008 Well, I sent off an email to Rainbow Ten asking if they would be able to get the DX Alto Super parts. They replied they would not. Graham
wwkkim Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Are there any new info on the problems of hip, landing gear , shoulder, short neck in VF-25 series?
Radd Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 The short neck appears to be a mistransformation. As someone pointed out, earlier photos of the toy showed that the neck wasn't too short at all.
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