SDF-02 Megaload is differ from

[Sulendil Ang]

VF-25 Messiah: I think NMCV just an adaption from US aircraft carrier's designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol

[Duke Togo]

Not necessarily.

Whatever you want to believe, Zin. Nevermind it actually says "Super Dimension Fortress Megaroad-0X". Never let the facts get in the way of Zin!

Edited September 27, 2008 by Duke Togo

[Duke Togo]

Or that the SDF refers to the Megaroad itself like we thought all along.

Like what has been canon for over 2 decades.

[ShadowValkyrie]

It might a case of the Megaroad-01 being an odd man out, special case. Since, officially, the Megaroad was a heavily redesigned and rebuilt SDF-2 the ship might carry both designators-- SDF and Megaroad.

[Duke Togo]

It might a case of the Megaroad-01 being an odd man out, special case. Since, officially, the Megaroad was a heavily redesigned and rebuilt SDF-2 the ship might carry both designators-- SDF and Megaroad.

So the others are just an error in the animation?

[Duke Togo]

You know, the Global cannot be the Macross-04, because that designation belongs to the New Macross Class vessels. I don't know why I didn't remember that.

[VF-25 Messiah]

You know, the Global cannot be the Macross-04, because that designation belongs to the New Macross Class vessels. I don't know why I didn't remember that.

"Global" would be the Globals designation.

Edited September 27, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah

[Duke Togo]

"Global" would be the Globals designation.

Global-04

LOL

[VF-25 Messiah]

Global-04

LOL

04 Global actually.

Or to quote hime: "Macross Class 4th ship Global"

Edited September 27, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah

[Gubaba]

Global-04

LOL

04 Global actually.

Or to quote hime: "Macross Class 4th ship Global"

Can't we just keep calling it the WTF-1...?

[Mr March]

It's definitely a Macross-Class ship. Since the NMC has assumed the name "Macross", I'd say the "Global" portion of the Macross Class is likely an inseparable part of the 04 designation.

[VF-25 Messiah]

It's definitely a Macross-Class ship. Since the NMC has assumed the name "Macross", I'd say the "Global" portion of the Macross Class is likely an inseparable part of the 04 designation.

Indeed. Also might add that I vastly prefer the ships to have names than just classtype and number.

Edited September 27, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah

[Duke Togo]

Indeed. Also might add that I vastly prefer the ships to have names than just classtype and number.

I wonder why they give some names and not to others. Its very inconsistent.

[Mr March]

Indeed. Also might add that I vastly prefer the ships to have names than just classtype and number.

Yeah, that is extremely helpful. I think that's most people's preference as well. Numbers are often for too abstract because the same number can mean so many things. Names are much more complex and thus much more specific.

Besides, we can't go wrong with calling it "Global"

[ShadowValkyrie]

So the others are just an error in the animation?

Or represent a different fleet configuration.

-- Megaroad 01 one ship, two possible hull numbers/designators; due to the fact of the ships short of unusual construction history. Unless there is an Macross Class SDF tucked up inside that we've so far never heard about.

-- Megaroad 02 onward -- Megaroad is the colony ship (City ship to use a term), and SDF refers to a battleship (we'll say Macross class for now, owing to the existence of the "Global") and fulfilling the duties that the later New Macross Class docked battleships would serve. Giving us the double designators, which would refer to both the civilian (colony) and military (SDF) component of those missions.

Just spit balling ideals, really. What's it going to boil down to is being whatever SK wants it mean when or if, big if, he ever wants to address the topic.

[Gubaba]

Or represent a different fleet configuration.

-- Megaroad 01 one ship, two possible hull numbers/designators; due to the fact of the ships short of unusual construction history. Unless there is an Macross Class SDF tucked up inside that we've so far never heard about.

-- Megaroad 02 onward -- Megaroad is the colony ship (City ship to use a term), and SDF refers to a battleship (we'll say Macross class for now, owing to the existence of the "Global") and fulfilling the duties that the later New Macross Class docked battleships would serve. Giving us the double designators, which would refer to both the civilian (colony) and military (SDF) component of those missions.

Just spit balling ideals, really. What's it going to boil down to is being whatever SK wants it mean when or if, big if, he ever wants to address the topic.

Oh, I'm sure the topic will be addressed in the Macross Chronicle. It may already have been on the "Long Range Emigration Fleet" page. I guess I'll find out, since my goal for today is to actually get off my duff and translate that page...

[Mr March]

I'm not agreeing with one side or the other (especially since this whole debate is increasing confusion rather than any definitive conclusion), but it does seem like a fleet tradition to have both a colony ship and a battleship. The Megaroads are definitely not battleships (they'd be the Cities/Islands), so the question becomes what is the battleship in those fleets?

[VF-25 Messiah]

I wonder why they give some names and not to others. Its very inconsistent.

In universe perhaps. But out of universe the explanation is simple: they only just started with the ship naming in frontier.

[Duke Togo]

Or represent a different fleet configuration.

"Super Dimension Fortress" does not sound like a fleet configuration to me. Unless we want to start playing engrish games.

[ShadowValkyrie]

"Super Dimension Fortress" does not sound like a fleet configuration to me. Unless we want to start playing engrish games.

Should have been clearer, my bad. What I meant was that the Megaroad 01 one fleet was composed differently from the successive fleets. Megaroad 01-- 1 ship, battleship/colony ship in one package; accounting for a dual designator. Where as the fleets from that point on, are all Colony ship + a space fortress (SDF) escort ship.

[Zinjo]

Whatever you want to believe, Zin. Nevermind it actually says "Super Dimension Fortress Megaroad-0X". Never let the facts get in the way of Zin!

I believed the Global wasn't the Macross and that worked out, so why not continue to challenge the altars of the fanboys... Kawamori strikes me as far to logical to just "toss" on a name and designation without purpose. I could be wrong, but I have faith in him...

Togo you have presented little supporting argument to your assertion. It's like talking to a bible thumping christianist. Except you pound on Macross Perfect Memory...

Or represent a different fleet configuration.

-- Megaroad 01 one ship, two possible hull numbers/designators; due to the fact of the ships short of unusual construction history. Unless there is an Macross Class SDF tucked up inside that we've so far never heard about.

-- Megaroad 02 onward -- Megaroad is the colony ship (City ship to use a term), and SDF refers to a battleship (we'll say Macross class for now, owing to the existence of the "Global") and fulfilling the duties that the later New Macross Class docked battleships would serve. Giving us the double designators, which would refer to both the civilian (colony) and military (SDF) component of those missions.

Just spit balling ideals, really. What's it going to boil down to is being whatever SK wants it mean when or if, big if, he ever wants to address the topic.

By George I think he's got it!

As for the Macross-04 Global, that is perfectly resonable as it is a Macross Class ship. However, if Togo prefers we could go back to refering to it as an SDF-04.

Edited September 27, 2008 by Zinjo

[Duke Togo]

Togo you have presented little supporting argument to your assertion.

Yes, you are right. Multiple screen shots and over 20 years of Macross canon totally fail in the face of Zinjo's opinion!

We're beating a dead horse here. This was amusing during the multiple rain delays last night, but this discussion has long since lost its appeal. Wake me back up when the Chronicle is finished and the Compendium is updated.

[sketchley]

Ah, but one must keep in mind that the fortress in Super Dimension Fortress may be in reference to the state of the ship when it is in the super dimension. It may also represent the protection given to the emmigrants inside of the ship.

(...) the Megaroads are definitely not battleships (they'd be the Cities/Islands), (...)

[Hiriyu]

I'm not agreeing with one side or the other (especially since this whole debate is increasing confusion rather than any definitive conclusion), but it does seem like a fleet tradition to have both a colony ship and a battleship. The Megaroads are definitely not battleships (they'd be the Cities/Islands), so the question becomes what is the battleship in those fleets?

Didn't the original Megaroad launch with an escort of upgraded/updated Nuptiet Vergnitz and other Zent ships (sorry, I can't quite recall the specific name used for the upgraded Vergnitz)? With the capture of the factory satellite, it would seemingly make sense that at least for the early colony missions, modified Zent designs could be used to provide the bulk of escort forces.

[sketchley]

By the information currently available, it appears that the Megaroad fleets were composed of the following:

1x Megaroad (flagship, home to the emmigrants)

1x Macross (battleship, lead combat ship, etc.)

??x Zentraedi ships (escorts, explorers, recon, etc.)

What is not clear is the content of the Zentraedi ships. Were they full of humans and micronized Zentraedi piloting VFs? Were they a mix of humans in VFs and full sized Zentraedi in Zentraedi mecha? Were they primarily full-sized with only Zentraedi mecha?

Given that they have the Factory Satellite, it'd be easy to mass produce the Zentraedi ships, mecha, and mass clone the Zentraedi themselves. But as the cloning machinery was being used to mass-clone humanity to (attempt) to restore it to pre-SWI levels... I think you can start to appreciate the confusion.

Didn't the original Megaroad launch with an escort of upgraded/updated Nuptiet Vergnitz and other Zent ships (sorry, I can't quite recall the specific name used for the upgraded Vergnitz)? With the capture of the factory satellite, it would seemingly make sense that at least for the early colony missions, modified Zent designs could be used to provide the bulk of escort forces.

[Zinjo]

Yes, you are right. Multiple screen shots and over 20 years of Macross canon totally fail in the face of Zinjo's opinion!

We're beating a dead horse here. This was amusing during the multiple rain delays last night, but this discussion has long since lost its appeal. Wake me back up when the Chronicle is finished and the Compendium is updated.

Ah Togo, you've fallen behind in the discussion again. We've moved on passed the design of the Megaroad herself.

[Zinjo]

Ah, but one must keep in mind that the fortress in Super Dimension Fortress may be in reference to the state of the ship when it is in the super dimension. It may also represent the protection given to the emmigrants inside of the ship.

True. All fold capable ships are essentially Super Dimension vessels. I'm not so sure that "Fortress" would denote that, however it is possible.

By the information currently available, it appears that the Megaroad fleets were composed of the following:

1x Megaroad (flagship, home to the emmigrants)

1x Macross (battleship, lead combat ship, etc.)

??x Zentraedi ships (escorts, explorers, recon, etc.)

What is not clear is the content of the Zentraedi ships. Were they full of humans and micronized Zentraedi piloting VFs? Were they a mix of humans in VFs and full sized Zentraedi in Zentraedi mecha? Were they primarily full-sized with only Zentraedi mecha?

Given that they have the Factory Satellite, it'd be easy to mass produce the Zentraedi ships, mecha, and mass clone the Zentraedi themselves. But as the cloning machinery was being used to mass-clone humanity to (attempt) to restore it to pre-SWI levels... I think you can start to appreciate the confusion.

That is why I wonder if the SDF designation is refering to the Macross Class escort, similarly to how the NMCV is referring to the New Macross Carrier in the new fleets. The only notable exception is the Megaroad 01, since we have no evidence that another warship was constructed for that mission (essentially no time before launch).

[sketchley]

BTW, New Macross Class refers to the entire ship. For example, the New Macross Class 7 is "(about) 7770 m" in length.

Chronicle even points out that the New Macross Class is composed of the Battle Warship, and the City Ship.

[Ishimaru]

So the others are just an error in the animation?

I'm curious to how the Global even got to Gallia, from Earth. Considering that its not too far off from the center of the galaxy/milky way.

I didn't expect the ship to even go out that far, considering its a Macross Class ship, how is that possible? I'm guessing folding is the culprit but they stumbled upon the the planet and colonized it, but I still don't get it.

And why did they use the SDF design anyways? It doesn't make sense to me that they would use a 50 year old ship design when they are more then capable of building and using something far better.

Edit: Grammar.

Edited October 1, 2008 by Ishimaru

[RedWolf]

You seem to forget that the Macross class was based on a modified Surpervision Army gunship.

Besides Megaroad 13 also colonized a world at the core region.

From what Exsedol said the area of space Macross 7, Macross 5 and Megaroad 13 was exploring used to be Protoculture home space.

You have to wonder though how much of that space is relative to Vajra territory.

Macross 7 was close enough to communicate with Earth without worrying of fold dislocation.

Macross Frontier has trouble of communicating with the rest of the NUN due to fold dislocation lag time.

[Duke Togo]

Macross 7 was close enough to communicate with Earth without worrying of fold dislocation.

That was pre-Frontier retcon.

[daeudi]

That was pre-Frontier retcon.

While I may agree with you...

isn't it a bit disingenuous to spend most of a thread talking about how everything animated before was canon-

and then point out a glaring retcon?

If communication (i.e. a script element) can be retconned, how do we know the designs weren't as well?

[Duke Togo]

While I may agree with you...

isn't it a bit disingenuous to spend most of a thread talking about how everything animated before was canon-

and then point out a glaring retcon?

If communication (i.e. a script element) can be retconned, how do we know the designs weren't as well?

I'm been bitching about Frontier retcon for months now. The Megaroad issue is something that is actually in the Frontier animation, so its a tad different.

[Zinjo]

While I may agree with you...

isn't it a bit disingenuous to spend most of a thread talking about how everything animated before was canon-

and then point out a glaring retcon?

If communication (i.e. a script element) can be retconned, how do we know the designs weren't as well?

The Megaroad design has been confirmed in the Chronicle, so that is no longer in question.

[Goodman Models]

k, I have a question that's a little specific - on the Kazutaki SDF-2 MegaRoad-01, there appears to be 2 ARMD Class carriers; would a VF-4 lightning carry the name of the ARMD or the of the ship on it's Vert. stab?