Macross Frontier Episode 24 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[JustinStrife]

Sheryl looked the best she's ever looked this episode.

[Gubaba]

he could kiss her forhead or cheek and leave as a promise to make it through to kiss an actually awake Nanase...

As other people have said, at least he didn't pull a Shinji (so to speak). He loves her. He kissed her. Big deal. No harm, no foul...right?

Speaking as Macrossworld's self-proclaimed official Nanasist, I deem it all a-okay.

Now we just have to wait until Shun, Dante, and SkullLeader VF-X throw in their six cents, and B.O.I.N.G. will have spoken.

[Kronnang Dunn]

You know... After lots of thinking about it I'm starting to believe that Luca's kiss may have been a death flag for him... He's doomed!!!

[Gubaba]

Sheryl looked the best she's ever looked this episode.

Pretty much EVERYONE looked the best they ever have in this episode. While the character animation wasn't the greatest, the designs in this episode danced like jewels.

[RichterX]

You know... After lots of thinking about it I'm starting to believe that Luca's kiss may have been a death flag for him... He's doomed!!!

i hope he die, the last thing Michel told him was to trust his friends and not act on their behind (or something like that consider his involvement with Leon) he completely switch loyalties as soon as he could.

[dreamweaver13]

or 4. she starts mumbling after the kiss, "Ranka chan"

oh, that's a given. she most probably did it before waking up, in all three scenarios.

[zathras]

my hope is that Sheryl walks away from the camera as she's very distraught of Alto's death and gets far enough from the bridge before the Breara shoots the bridge of Battle Frontier...it's more than likely Grace will order Breara to kill Leon by shooting the bridge of the Battle Frontier...

as for Alto, the VF17's has a cockpit pods just like the VF11s...i can only assume that's how Alto survives...the cockpit pod disengages from the nosecone of the VF171EX...

does anyone think that Sarah might still alive in the Birdman protodevlin from Macross Zero...

Edited September 19, 2008 by zathras

[Gubaba]

does anyone think that Sarah might still alive in the Birdman protodevlin from Macross Zero...

Protodeviln? HUH?

[RichterX]

my hope is that Sheryl walks away from the camera as she's very distraught of Alto's death and gets far enough from the bridge before the Breara shoots the bridge of Battle Frontier...it's more than likely Grace will order Breara to kill Leon by shooting the bridge of the Battle Frontier...

as for Alto, the VF17's has a cockpit pods just like the VF11s...i can only assume that's how Alto survives...the cockpit pod disengages from the nosecone of the VF171EX...

does anyone think that Sarah might still alive in the Birdman protodevlin from Macross Zero...

and as Duke Togo mentioned before, he is wearing a freaking ex gear, unless they hacked the fighter he has ejected.

[Super Ostrich]

Chinese sub (POPGO) is out.

Super Ostrich

[dreamweaver13]

gubaba, looking at your avatar, i just noticed something... are nanase's bandages actually getting worse? her face seems to be more covered up than 3 eps ago. since you most likely have all those pics with you, you'd be the best one to compare.

[mac666er]

So...

Michel dies a heroic death for one of the hottest/baddest babes, who happens to be cute as hell as well. No hesitation, no doubt, no nonsense. And we get to swallow it all. We got a so-so animation of what should have been the greatest Meltran show-off of how to kick a** since Milia Falina gave hell to the fools that dared crossed her path...

And in this episode Alto "bites the dust" in a very suspicious way, he wasn't defending anyone, he wasn't giving his 110% and we get to see Sheryls' pain... by crying? What the hell?? No one has valor anymore?? Ranka and Sheryl are just b***ing around, drowning in self pity and feeling sorry for themselves

I don't want Michel to comeback as that would just be lame but, I demand that Alto has a thick metal rod in his skull, a dismembered body and no surviving mind whatsoever. And also, I want Ozma to kick Leon's (God that is an awful hair-do!) and Grace's (or whatever that thing finally turns out to be) behinds with no mercy. And comeback and take Cathy on his Super Valkyrie riding into the sunset...

As to what happens to Nanase and Luca, well, I no longer care

I wish things were easier for klan

And no, I wasn't the guy who voted against the episode, I actually liked it. Very good visuals. So many improvements over Macross 7.

Enough trolling, back to my cave.

Edited September 19, 2008 by mac666er

[dreamweaver13]

Protodeviln? HUH?

Probably from the same anime show where Shiki Ikari came from.

[Keith]

In regards to DYRL references http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...mp;#entry623086

I also think it's pretty safe to assume at this piont that tiny holo-Mao in Shin's cockpit was mao tapping into the fold network, one mystery solved at least.

I kinda get the feeling that the end of this series will lead into a future Macross series with bio/vajra evolved variable fighters, and I honestly don't know how I feel about that. As long as they still look like cool as Valkyries, I suppose i'd deal.

Awesome episode, and I'd be surprised if Alto was doing anything but pulling a Gamlin, the purpose of him being a Kabuki actor couldn't have simply been so he can wear an earring...?

Edited September 19, 2008 by Keith

[Kronnang Dunn]

gubaba, looking at your avatar, i just noticed something... are nanase's bandages actually getting worse? her face seems to be more covered up than 3 eps ago. since you most likely have all those pics with you, you'd be the best one to compare.

You know... Wounds can get infected... And maybe Frontier doctors are lacking the adecuate medicines to treat them... I hope she doesn't die later...

[RedWolf]

In regards to DYRL references http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...mp;#entry623086

I also think it's pretty safe to assume at this piont that tiny holo-Mao in Shin's cockpit was mao tapping into the fold network, one mystery solved at least.

I kinda get the feeling that the end of this series will lead into a future Macross series with bio/vajra evolved variable fighters, and I honestly don't know how I feel about that.

You mean like an techno-organic version of the BOLO Mark XXXIII?

[dreamweaver13]

I also think it's pretty safe to assume at this piont that tiny holo-Mao in Shin's cockpit was mao tapping into the fold network, one mystery solved at least.

Waitaminute. Shin's cockpit? did i miss something?

EDIT: oh wait, you're referring to Mac0, aren't you? for a while there, i thought i missed a shin cameo in MacF.

Edited September 19, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[Keith]

You mean like an techno-organic version of the BOLO Mark XXXIII?

Yup, though I'm not sure if I can forsee the advantages for such a thing yet. But we'll see. Also a hardy kick in the pants at myself for not seeing that Wilder is the Britai of this series, he has one freakin eye, it was sooo obvious!

[dreamweaver13]

You know... Wounds can get infected... And maybe Frontier doctors are lacking the adecuate medicines to treat them... I hope she doesn't die later...

right now, gubaba is looking at the pictures, realizing that the bandages are growing larger, and shouting, "NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!"

[Keith]

Waitaminute. Shin's cockpit? did i miss something?

EDIT: oh wait, you're referring to Mac0, aren't you? for a while there, i thought i missed a shin cameo in MacF.

LOL, that would be funny as all hell at this piont if Sara & Shin popped up, that would make him the (living) pilot with the worst luck in the whole franchise. Though i wish Kawamori would break that pattern of abandoning main characters just once.

[Gin]

LOL, that would be funny as all hell at this piont if Sara & Shin popped up, that would make him the (living) pilot with the worst luck in the whole franchise. Though i wish Kawamori would break that pattern of abandoning main characters just once.

I agree, if he doesn't break that habit then the spinoff from frontier would be starring Luca.

[Gubaba]

gubaba, looking at your avatar, i just noticed something... are nanase's bandages actually getting worse? her face seems to be more covered up than 3 eps ago. since you most likely have all those pics with you, you'd be the best one to compare.

Well, I went to my "Macross Images" folder and checked out "poornana20.jpg," "poornana21.jpg," "poornana23.jpg" and "poornana24.jpg" (22 shows the left side of her face only), and I don't see any difference in the amount of bandages.

For all of the bugs that kresphy has pointed out in the series, this ain't one of 'em.

[sdf2501]

There's way too much good stuff here to mention.

If I was live blogging this, you would have seen my jaw on the floor when Ranka started singing THAT song (and really liked this version too: ai oboete imasu ka ~ bless the little queen).

I think it's quite obvious that Leon doesn't care about anyone; why would anyone order Island 1 into the battle? When Max was Captain of Battle 7, he'd do his darnest to ensure that City 7 didn't see any harm. What a prick.

And absolutely loved the next episode preview. What a nice touch.

This has been a great ride and I look forward to seeing how it all ends.

[sdf2501]

Oh, and by the way, I'm sure Alto's just "acting" dead...

And I think I finally know the reason why so many VF-171s were shown to be blown up; they needed to build up the stock footage for this episode!

[Morpheus]

I think it's quite obvious that Leon doesn't care about anyone; why would anyone order Island 1 into the battle? When Max was Captain of Battle 7, he'd do his darnest to ensure that City 7 didn't see any harm. What a prick.

He ordered Island 1 to land on the planet when he thought Vajra defense line are broken. He did this probably since he know that Island 1 is in critical condition (low on oxygen and stuff), leaving Island 1 may provoke Vajra attack while the main fleet is busy in the front. The fact that the entire fleet fold to Vajra homeworld and the other island are used as shield for island 1 show that this is Leon gambit to ensure Frontier survival.

[panpo98]

Interesting, can you take a screenshot of it?

Is it just me or this episode reminds me of Mospeada where the Mars base are attempting to free Earth? The Spiral zone (yeah, Spiral Zone, get it? lol) is similiar to the Invid Hive, and in the end the Mars fleet is swarmed and destroyed, just like Frontier.

This episode again has proven that Alto has failed as a man. Does he want to save Ranka or kill her? And what about Sheryll?

I was shocked. The second half of the episode was pure culture shock. I had no ide how the Zentradi felt until Ranka started. Deffinently reminds me of Macross 1 DYRL, Macross 2 and the first Macross series battle with Boldolsaa's fleet. Even after reading spoilers and predicting that it would be like this it was still shocking seeing that they went so far. Frontier is now the bad guys.

Frontier seemed to be as chocked as I was that the Varja (or rather Grace blaming it on the Varja) did that against us (Frontier). Felt like seeing Macross 1 DYRL with the story told from the Zentradi side and realizing that we are losing the same way we won in DYRL. I could feel people on Frontier thinking "How dare enemy use that song against us" after they tried to overcome the initial shock.

The thing with Alto reminded me of what happened in the first Macross series in the battle against Boldolsaa's fleet there the hero got hit with a missile swarm and still survived. I am sure Alto had an auto ejection system.

Edited September 19, 2008 by panpo98

[wolfx]

I went to lunch and the thread grew 5-6 pages....

Well nothing much to add... since no one's talking about Wilder, Ozma, Canaria conversation yet.

Pulling a shinji on Nanase.....eeeew..... >_<

[Morpheus]

Well, I went to my "Macross Images" folder and checked out "poornana20.jpg," "poornana21.jpg," "poornana23.jpg" and "poornana24.jpg" (22 shows the left side of her face only), and I don't see any difference in the amount of bandages.

For all of the bugs that kresphy has pointed out in the series, this ain't one of 'em.

At a glimpse I saw you checked out "pornnana**.jpg" and makes me think that you are pulling shinji after all

It turn out it was "poornana" instead of "pornnana"

[aerocombatpilot]

Incidentally... anyone else incredibly uncomfortable when Luca is kissing a comatose Nanase right on the lips? If he'd kissed her on the cheek or forehead, it would have been sweet. Instead, he just got creepier.

Heck no! As a matter of fact, I'd give him a York Peppermint Pattie for NOT COPING A FEEL! Luca is a stand-up kind of guy!

[aerocombatpilot]

Incidentally... anyone else incredibly uncomfortable when Luca is kissing a comatose Nanase right on the lips? If he'd kissed her on the cheek or forehead, it would have been sweet. Instead, he just got creepier.

Heck no! As a matter of fact, I'd give him a York Peppermint Pattie for NOT COPING A FEEL! Luca is a stand-up kind of guy!

[wolfx]

Ok i got my friend to translate the scene on the SMS bridge with more detail....i was quite off. Sorry bout that

- SMS gang were talking about how Grace intends to enslave humanity by using the fold and implant network.

- for it to work, ALL humans must be installed with the implant, which might be near impossible.

- thus the Vajra are needed to enforce this implantation

- as Ranka is the only person able to communicate with the Vajra, she will be used by Grace & Co. to enforce implants on everybody.

So, no revelation was released on the motives of the Vajra YET.

[Keith]

::Dr: Nurse why are this patients badnages sticky?

::Nurse: I don't know, I just changed them an hour ago?!

[Morpheus]

Ok i got my friend to translate the scene on the SMS bridge with more detail....i was quite off. Sorry bout that

- SMS gang were talking about how Grace intends to enslave humanity by using the fold and implant network.

- for it to work, ALL humans must be installed with the implant, which might be near impossible.

- thus the Vajra are needed to enforce this implantation

- as Ranka is the only person able to communicate with the Vajra, she will be used by Grace & Co. to enforce implants on everybody.

So, no revelation was released on the motives of the Vajra YET.

Isn't the Vajra motives is to get Ranka as their little queen?

[dreamweaver13]

Well, I went to my "Macross Images" folder and checked out "poornana20.jpg," "poornana21.jpg," "poornana23.jpg" and "poornana24.jpg" (22 shows the left side of her face only), and I don't see any difference in the amount of bandages.

For all of the bugs that kresphy has pointed out in the series, this ain't one of 'em.

poornana. cute filename. and again, i feel your pain.

so it's all the same. must have been the angle that fooled me. in any case, that's good news. hehe.

The thing with Alto reminded me of what happened in the first Macross series in the battle against Boldolsaa's fleet there the hero got hit with a missile swarm and still survived. I am sure Alto had an auto ejection system.

oh yeah. good catch. So the next episode, we'll see alto free-falling towards the planet in his ex-gear, he'll wake up and realize that he can't go back up anymore as the war rages in space, continue downward until he hears Ranka calling to him telepathically. then he'll find ranka, rescue her, and bring her back to the planet's surface and.... wait a minute... i don't like where this is going...

[dreamweaver13]

Well nothing much to add... since no one's talking about Wilder, Ozma, Canaria conversation yet.

Why? What were they talking about, actually? I didn't really get the gist of theior conversation, and since you know japanese better, could you give me an idea what it's about?