grss1982 Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 I don't keep up with the threads that this was already mentioned in, so thanks for posting this. I like the look of the 24 more than the 25. The wings actually look like they belong to a fighter, where as the overall shape of the 25 reminds me more of a lanky B-1 bomber than a modern fighter jet. IIRC, SK has stated that his VF designs for MF won't be based on real world fighter concepts or something like that. Hence why swing-wings in the case of the VF-25 is the "IN" thing again. Quote
RedWolf Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 VF-4, VF-14, YF-24, we only see them in matter of seconds in Macross Universe. Maybe YF-24 will find its glory on Macross game just like it predecessor. If they only included it in Ace Frontier. A story backgrounded game like M3, VFX and VFX-2 would do. Quote
tankf77 Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Possible or they were expecting a Cannon Fodder downgraded version of the YF-24. Why else would Galaxy chose its basic battroid design for the VF-27? Remember the VF-171 is a downgraded version of the VF-17. Like the YF-19 and YF-21, too fast, too furious, too awesome and too expensive that only ace pilots can use it. Can you imagine Alto wrecking a VF-19A on a regular basis? You seem to imply that VF-25 is inferior to both YF-19/21? Quote
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) You seem to imply that VF-25 is inferior to both YF-19/21? Pfft! I can take both of those antiques at once!... blindfolded!... Edited September 16, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 I guess untill we see otherwise, but I keep imagining to myself alto screwing up his last vf-25 and SMS pulling off a dust cover off the prototype hidden all the way in some storage compartment. BUT the vf-25 does symbolize the anniversary and the series. As much as I'd love to see even more new valks in the series... Given the facts that there are only 2 episodes left and that we have been introduced to the new VF-171 EX... I truly doubt we will see any VF-24 in action... Sorry. Quote
d3v Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Possible or they were expecting a Cannon Fodder downgraded version of the YF-24. Why else would Galaxy chose its basic battroid design for the VF-27? From what I recall, it seems they weren't expecting the VF-25 to perform so well since the YF-24 didn't perform up to snuff. Why it didn't perform is something we can only speculate on. However, based on what we've seen of the VF-25 and VF-27 possibly wing design and engine output may be some of the factors. Quote
RedWolf Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 From what I recall, it seems they weren't expecting the VF-25 to perform so well since the YF-24 didn't perform up to snuff. Why it didn't perform is something we can only speculate on. However, based on what we've seen of the VF-25 and VF-27 possibly wing design and engine output may be some of the factors. Then upgrade the hardware and software like they did with VF-1X Plus and the VF-4G Lightning III. Seems to me LAI's specialization is pimping somebody else's licensed fighter design. Did General Galaxy get money for the VF-171EX? If previous design lineage is anything I think the YF-24 is a Shinsei Industries pitch. They built the VF-0, VF-1, VF-3000 (Prior to merger), VF-5000, VF-11, VF-19. Quote
badboy00z Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Has it been officially stated that the VF-171 is a downgraded VF-17? Quote
RedWolf Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Has it been officially stated that the VF-171 is a downgraded VF-17? Yes it doesn't even have the cool pulse beam gun pod attachment. Fortunately Macross 7 isn't as cheap as Macross Frontier as they have the VF-17 as their mainline fighter and the VF-22S as their special forces fighter in 2047. Quote
JB0 Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) Yes it doesn't even have the cool pulse beam gun pod attachment. Wasn't that an optional replacement for a second ammo clip? Meaning only some people would carry it, and usually only for specialized missions. Haruhi knows why Gamlin took one out on every flight. Edited September 16, 2008 by JB0 Quote
Vic Mancini Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 IIRC, SK has stated that his VF designs for MF won't be based on real world fighter concepts or something like that. Hence why swing-wings in the case of the VF-25 is the "IN" thing again. Never the less... One resembles the most modern fighter in our world today and the other resembles a high speed bomber from the 80s....ouch! Quote
Cybergig1 Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) yeah that first one is majorly majorly similiar to the Raptor. now the bomber......not so much. Doesn't really resemble it to much at all. Sometimes like on All that VF Frontier edition I thought the VF25's "slightly" resembled the SU27's or whatever but only from certain angles. but yeah the YF24 is like spot on Edited September 16, 2008 by Cybergig1 Quote
RedWolf Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Actually Soji Kawamori did make a raptor Valkyrie in Super Dimension Fortress Macross: VF Experiment but is centainly not the YF-24. SW-XA1 Schneeblume Quote
Gin Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 I'd actually say that looks less like a raptor than the 24. Quote
akt_m Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 It looks like a VF-25 with fixed wings. And i doubt they will use it, i guess there are more chances to a VF-19 appear than a YF-24. Quote
505thAirborne Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Never the less... One resembles the most modern fighter in our world today and the other resembles a high speed bomber from the 80s....ouch! Not sure about the B-1B Lancer reference, But the comparison of the F-22 Raptor & the YF-24 do resemble each other in some aspects. Quote
Vic Mancini Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Not sure about the B-1B Lancer reference, But the comparison of the F-22 Raptor & the YF-24 do resemble each other in some aspects. Similar wings. Similar wing roots (just sort of backwards). Long fuselage. Mainly it's the long/thin wings. You don't see wide/thin wing spans like that on most modern fighter jets. The shape of the VF-25 just doesn't say "air superiority fighter" to me, personally. It looks more like a high speed bomber. I'm only bringing it up because the VF-24 does say "air superiority fighter" to me. Quote
ChronoReverse Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) I dunno, a lot of people still think about the F-14 when talking about fighter jets. http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/f-14_tomcat.pl The VF-25 is kinda like a longer and pointier version of that. Edited September 16, 2008 by ChronoReverse Quote
hobbes221 Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 My take on the YF-24/VF-25 thing is that it's along the lines of the YF-17 and F/A-18. The VF-17 was intended to be a lightweight, daytime fighter with a pair of AIM-9s and a cannon to take on the hoard of Soviet fighters that NATO would have to face were there to be a war. Long story short the YF-17 lost to the YF-16 and the Navy came in and made it bigger, (and bigger still with the E/F models) stuffed more avionics in it, called it the Hornet, and called the whole thing good. So without having any numbers on the YF-24 it maybe could have been a try at a light VF, that could also be a reason behind not seeing -19s around as well, they turned out to cost too much to operate. (in money or man hours of maintenance) So they try a simple VF and it didn't work out the way they thought, play with the design and come up with a good multirole Valkyrie. That may also explain the reaction to the -25, if someone told me that I was going to go up against a YF-16 and it turns out to be a F-16 Block 60 with all the bells and whistles I'd be WTF as well. I do like the look of the YF-24 and want to see more. Quote
JustinStrife Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 You seem to imply that VF-25 is inferior to both YF-19/21? Yes Quote
Sumdumgai Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Interested in YF-24. Nice looking fighter. Interested in seeing gerwalk, but more importantly battroid. That would be one toy I'd want to get most likely. Quote
d3v Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Yes I believe it was implied somewhere that EX-Gears allow for pilots to endure G-forces higher than what is humanly possible. Take into consideration that the AVF/Project Supernova planes were supposedly operating at the limit of what humans could take and the fact that a VF-25 with Super Parts can go toe to toe against a VF-27 (which can operate well beyond human endurance thanks to having a cyborg pilot), then I believe we can safely say that the VF-25 is superior to the AVF planes. Quote
Morpheus Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 I believe it was implied somewhere that EX-Gears allow for pilots to endure G-forces higher than what is humanly possible. Take into consideration that the AVF/Project Supernova planes were supposedly operating at the limit of what humans could take and the fact that a VF-25 with Super Parts can go toe to toe against a VF-27 (which can operate well beyond human endurance thanks to having a cyborg pilot), then I believe we can safely say that the VF-25 is superior to the AVF planes. Give EX-gear system to VF-19/22, it will be more superior even without FAST pack Quote
akt_m Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Give EX-gear system to VF-19/22, it will be more superior even without FAST pack Don't need the ex-gear, just need Max piloting it and he will beat any other pilot in any other VF. Quote
badboy00z Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 How long did it take for the specs of the VF-0 to show up after M:Zero aired? I'm very interested in the specs of the VF-25. Quote
Sumdumgai Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) Until we get specs on the VF-25 and VF-27, I wouldn't strongly argue either way whether the 25/27 is better than the 19/21/22. It also depends on the pilots. And I'm very curious what made the YF-24 not perform so well... Edited September 17, 2008 by Sumdumgai Quote
RedWolf Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Until we get specs on the VF-25 and VF-27, I wouldn't strongly argue either way whether the 25/27 is better than the 19/21/22. It also depends on the pilots. And I'm very curious what made the YF-24 not perform so well... If Isamu Dyson wasn't flying it probably a couple of dead and maimed test pilots. Same thing happened with the YF-19. It may have been too high spec that they had to downgrade it when LAI designed the VF-25. For Galaxy the tech was good enough for them to play with creating the VF-27. Quote
SpacePirateNeko Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) I wanna see the VF-26 Edited September 17, 2008 by SpacePirateNeko Quote
RedWolf Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 I wanna see the VF-26 2x13=26 Considering the bad luck of the Megaroad 13 and Macross 13 nobody would designate a fighter or ship divisible by 13. Quote
deadghost Posted September 17, 2008 Author Posted September 17, 2008 Don't need the ex-gear, just need Max piloting it and he will beat any other pilot in any other VF. MAX.... MAX.....come on Isamu or Guld are well over qualified for the job, give Isamu the vf-25 and Guld the vf-27 and you got something going on. Quote
deadghost Posted September 17, 2008 Author Posted September 17, 2008 If Isamu Dyson wasn't flying it probably a couple of dead and maimed test pilots. Same thing happened with the YF-19. It may have been too high spec that they had to downgrade it when LAI designed the VF-25. For Galaxy the tech was good enough for them to play with creating the VF-27. not a bad idea red wolf, the idea of a fighter being TOO GOOD sounds so awesome yet ominous. freakin sweet! Quote
JB0 Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 MAX.... MAX.....come on Isamu or Guld are well over qualified for the job, give Isamu the vf-25 and Guld the vf-27 and you got something going on. And give Max a cardboard box with wings and a super soaker. Just to be fair. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 It's not that the YF-24 is bad, it's that the VF-25 is so much better. Generally, production models are pretty comparable to prototypes---or often worse due to trying to cut costs/features for mass production. To be notably superior is very rare---and they didn't plan for that. Quote
badboy00z Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 MAX.... MAX.....come on Isamu or Guld are well over qualified for the job, give Isamu the vf-25 and Guld the vf-27 and you got something going on. I want to see that. I wonder what Isamu can do in the 25. Probably a 3D dino bird. Lol. Quote
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