Playstation 3 Thread Round 3

[myk]

The date on my fattie said 3/1/10 when I checked; I just had to change it, nothing more...

[Wanzerfan]

A few nights ago I tried to get online with PSN and got nowhere. Not only that I get an error message, but all the games and themes that my brother downloaded got corrupted (I don't know if the Borderlands expansion packs were screwed, I'll have to find out later). So my punishment for corrupting all that data is to restore all the stuff that got corrupted.

Anyone else here have that happen?

[mikeszekely]

A few nights ago I tried to get online with PSN and got nowhere. Not only that I get an error message, but all the games and themes that my brother downloaded got corrupted (I don't know if the Borderlands expansion packs were screwed, I'll have to find out later). So my punishment for corrupting all that data is to restore all the stuff that got corrupted.

Anyone else here have that happen?

They did, and they're talking about it in the PS3 thread.

Which this one got merged into. All is right with the world.

Edited March 2, 2010 by mikeszekely

[Pizza the Hutt]

Since the fat PS3s are now fixed I guess alot will be raging about the so called good titles that supposed to be coming out.Like GoW3 and Final Fantasy 13.I never was a god of war fan,games looked cheezy and lacked solid story. I heard Square "dumbed down" the FF13 game for the junkbox 360 uses so it will not be PS3 quality and I can't find a good vid or demo of FF13 to look into..

Oh well,only one more game and more than likely I might stop getting games since all might go online like that poor excuse for a game called MAG,HA alot of my PSn friends complain of over 50 snipers in one round.

My last game I will get for now is The SAW since I am a SAW fan and heard it is better than Batman AA.

[mikeszekely]

Since the fat PS3s are now fixed I guess alot will be raging about the so called good titles that supposed to be coming out.Like GoW3 and Final Fantasy 13.I never was a god of war fan,games looked cheezy and lacked solid story. I heard Square "dumbed down" the FF13 game for the junkbox 360 uses so it will not be PS3 quality and I can't find a good vid or demo of FF13 to look into..

Oh well,only one more game and more than likely I might stop getting games since all might go online like that poor excuse for a game called MAG,HA alot of my PSn friends complain of over 50 snipers in one round.

My last game I will get for now is The SAW since I am a SAW fan and heard it is better than Batman AA.

Saw, as in the cheesy torture-porn movies? Are you sure you want to dump on God of War III and then tell us in the same post you're picking up a game with a Gamerankings score of 59.81% (compared to Batman AA's 91.67%).

And for the record, God of War's story doesn't come together until the last half of the first game, but it's there, and quite good.

For the record, the scores for the God of War games are 93.7% (GoW), 92.56% (GoWII), and 90.81% (CoO). GoWIII has a 90.00%, but there's only one review so far.

And yeah, I get that opinions are subjective, and I'm guilty of enjoying my share of less-liked games while not caring for other popular ones. But you might want to double-check where you heard Saw was better than Batman, because they're definitely a minority opinion.

Edited March 3, 2010 by mikeszekely

[kanedaestes]

Since the fat PS3s are now fixed I guess alot will be raging about the so called good titles that supposed to be coming out.Like GoW3 and Final Fantasy 13.I never was a god of war fan,games looked cheezy and lacked solid story. I heard Square "dumbed down" the FF13 game for the junkbox 360 uses so it will not be PS3 quality and I can't find a good vid or demo of FF13 to look into..

Oh well,only one more game and more than likely I might stop getting games since all might go online like that poor excuse for a game called MAG,HA alot of my PSn friends complain of over 50 snipers in one round.

My last game I will get for now is The SAW since I am a SAW fan and heard it is better than Batman AA.

Also I do believe the FF13 on PS3 is actually fine, and so far has great reviews. I don't think they dumbed it down for Xbox seeing as how the XBox version isn't as good. PS3 can hold the entire game on 1 disk while Xbox is on 3.

[Roy Focker]

Only had to fix my clock.

Than I decided to play MGO after months of not playing. In one level I started to use a Shot Gun. As soon I did that I was called a Pussy, Newb and Resident Evil wannabe. I still didn't know why it is against the imaginary rules. You're allowed to do something else besides TDM with M4 trying head shots.

[D.D. Ivanov]

I got that same reaction in Portable Ops Online when I used the Remington M870.

Granted, I'm also the type of person that plants TNT right in front of a claymore at the top of steps...

[Pizza the Hutt]

Roy Focker

I know how you feel man,and if I was not trying to learn the path to God,I would tell you to respond to someone who calls you a "Pu$$y" by saying "I am what I eat" and you will not believe what I get called for using the RPG-7 and throat slash and CqC EX. I hope to be able to team up on MGO with you some day,I am no one to brag because I got a lousy Lvl 13 so I sux at MGO but still enjoy owning fakehounds.

Also I do believe the FF13 on PS3 is actually fine

I hope so because I am still trying to make up my mind between The SAW and Final Fantasy 13.And as for FF14,,,Forget it,I hear thats "pay to play" too.

Gosh

Pete (Not the VFTF1 Pete)

[shiroikaze]

Also I do believe the FF13 on PS3 is actually fine, and so far has great reviews.

But then what about the fan rage being spewed about though?

[-Snowblind-]

Re: FFXIII

Sometimes you can never please the fans. People build up preconceived ideas of what a game should or should not be, and if it fails to meet those expectations, even if it's a very good game, then they throw a fit.

Re: PS3 version being dumbed down... It was still developed for the PS3 first and foremost where it's still an exclusive in the Japanese market, the 360 version is being adapted, so unless they did some sort of messed up port to the 360 for the RoW, and then ported the 360 version to the PS3, then there should be nothing to worry about.

If you're concerned, give it a try with an open mind. Rent before you buy, etc etc. I'll probably give it a try sooner or later, but I can't afford any new releases at the moment.

[Keith]

Only had to fix my clock.

Than I decided to play MGO after months of not playing. In one level I started to use a Shot Gun. As soon I did that I was called a Pussy, Newb and Resident Evil wannabe. I still didn't know why it is against the imaginary rules. You're allowed to do something else besides TDM with M4 trying head shots.

I'll translate for you. Anything you do that kills a lagger despite their obvious lag, makes you a noob. If you really want to piss off laggers one day, equip CQC lvl 1 & Blades lvl 3. Sneak up behind them, get them in a hold, and triangle for throat slit. They'll immediately hit their lag switch to prevent from dying. As they magically un-die/respawn exactly where they were, grab them again, repeat, until thier attempts at saving themselves kill their connection. Just discovered that last week, and damni is it funny.

[Duke Togo]

But then what about the fan rage being spewed about though?

What, that's it's increasingly linear? That the development staff is on the record as saying they no longer feel the Final Fantasy games are RPGs? That it's gone totally sci-fi?

[kung flu]

I have to say having owned a PS3 for almost 3 years now, i haven't really played it all that often and it still just sits there gathering dust as i've probably mentioned earlier in this thread. I just look at the games these days and don't get excited by them anymore, theres just not much improvement in terms of gameplay and its just the same old stuff being rehashed. I only get a new game if it continues a story that i've been following from the very beginning, like metal gear or god of war. And again even though i enjoy playing them, its the story that i'm interested in.

Also if a game came out on multi platforms, i always end up getting the PC version instead, like resident evil 5, its just better in terms of graphics and its cheaper. I just like my PC more and if more console type games came out for it, i'm afraid my PS3 is just gonna lose out.

In 3 years, my PS3 game collection only consist of 8 games and the only one i play the most is metal gear.

[shiroikaze]

What, that's it's increasingly linear? That the development staff is on the record as saying they no longer feel the Final Fantasy games are RPGs? That it's gone totally sci-fi?

And among other things. Like:

"...depicting towns and so on like we did before was impossible to do on an “HD” console – it was too much work."

and

"You used to be able to avoid enemy attacks in the field using the analogue stick, but due to difficulty considerations it was canned."

[Duke Togo]

All reasons why the Mass Effect series is better than any Final Fantasy game made in the past 15 years.

[mikeszekely]

All reasons why the Mass Effect series is better than any Final Fantasy game made in the past 15 years.

Yep. Final Fantasy IV was 19 years ago.

[eugimon]

All reasons why the Mass Effect series is better than any Final Fantasy game made in the past 15 years.

fixed.

[shiroikaze]

All reasons why the Mass Effect series is better than any Final Fantasy game made in the past 15 8 years.

Yes, I liked X.

Yep. Final Fantasy IV was 19 years ago.

You didn't like FFVI?

[mikeszekely]

Yes, I liked X.

I did too. But it wasn't as good as Mass Effect.

You didn't like FFVI?

I liked it, but I think it clearly marks the departure from a fantasy-style RPG where everyone in the party has unique jobs to the sort of sci-fi games they've become with a cavalcade of characters that are carbon copies of the previous games'. Yeah, VI was still pretty good, but VII was the most over-rated game in the history of games, VIII was interesting but they had to start screwing with the battle system, IX was a nice homage to the older games in the series, X was likable but linear, XI is a freaking MMORPG, and XII's battle system was so terrible that I found the game to be nigh unplayable. I'm reserving judgment on XIII until I get a demo. I'm certainly not buying it without trying it this time.

[kanedaestes]

Well when I started playing RPGs i didn't play the ones with jobs and classes. I started with Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger so those elements have never been that important to me. I have actually loved VII, X, and XII though XII took some getting used to with the battle system. I enjoyed IX but never had the chance to play it long enough to really get into it. I am looking forward to XIII and everything that comes with it. Yes it is different, and not as free as other earlier versions but you never know what surprises they have in store. X was very linear but i really enjoyed the hell out of that game. For older style RPGs i have brought out the ole PSP and been getting the updated ports of PSOne games such as Lunar which is epic so far and brings back fond memories, and Star Ocean Second Evolution. I may pick up Breath of Fire III as well.

But all in all I am thoroughly looking forward to next Tuesday at midnight and the hours of my life i shall lose in the upcoming weeks. I am also very interested in Tri-Ace's next venture Resonance Of Fate which looks very good so far, and of course GoW3.

Edited March 4, 2010 by kanedaestes

[Uxi]

Worked fine today. Did a couple trophy comparisons and sync (haven't done anything new).

[CrusherJ]

I did too. But it wasn't as good as Mass Effect.

I liked it, but I think it clearly marks the departure from a fantasy-style RPG where everyone in the party has unique jobs to the sort of sci-fi games they've become with a cavalcade of characters that are carbon copies of the previous games'. Yeah, VI was still pretty good, but VII was the most over-rated game in the history of games, VIII was interesting but they had to start screwing with the battle system, IX was a nice homage to the older games in the series, X was likable but linear, XI is a freaking MMORPG, and XII's battle system was so terrible that I found the game to be nigh unplayable. I'm reserving judgment on XIII until I get a demo. I'm certainly not buying it without trying it this time.

So what made games like Lunar, Star Ocean and FF IV great in comparison to FF VII and so on? I came into the RPG scene late as the first one I ever played was Grandia 2, then Skies of Arcadia (unless you count all the Zelda games that came before them). I've never played FF VII, VIII or IX, but I have played X, X2 and XII and thought they were great (well, X2 was alright). I guess I'm just wondering what I'm missing by having not played these early RPGs.

[Duke Togo]

VII was an experience, and it made the PSX. To deny how good and important (within the gaming industry) it was is just silly (and people look silly doing it). Does that mean it makes my top 5 games all time? No, probably not.

I'm sure I'll enjoy XIII, one way or another, but the series is just not what it used to be.

[David Hingtgen]

So what made games like Lunar, Star Ocean and FF IV great in comparison to FF VII and so on?

I'd say "story".

I've never played FF VII, VIII or IX, but I have played X, X2 and XII and thought they were great (well, X2 was alright). I guess I'm just wondering what I'm missing by having not played these early RPGs.

While I love FFIX, it's so full of homages and was pretty much designed to be "nostalgic" that I think playing it without having played most of the others would be kinda pointless.

I'd suggest FFVI if you want to try an older one, the story/twists of that one still hold their own against modern day stuff. Or VII. VIII and XII were just "OK" IMHO. (I actually think I like VIII better than XII, even though I hate VIII's whole drawing/GF system)

[mikeszekely]

VII was an experience, and it made the PSX. To deny how good and important (within the gaming industry) it was is just silly (and people look silly doing it). Does that mean it makes my top 5 games all time? No, probably not.

I'm not denying that it's impact. It absolutely did make the PSX, and it also made JRPGs (and especially the Final Fantasy series itself) more mainstream. I'm not even denying that it's an experience. Putting peanut butter on a slice of bread, then pressing the bread peanut butter-side up on the ceiling to see if it sticks is also an experience. Whether or not the game was "good" is subjective, and to that end I'd just say it was kind of so-so. I give it credit for being a large, ambitious game with CGI scenes that were good at the time. Most of the rest of the graphics were pretty sub-par, even by PSX standards, and the characters were just dull. I don't get all the drama about Aeris that floats around to this day. My reaction to her death wasn't tears, it was "dude just offed the dead weight in my party." The plot was meandering. And having a character's aptitude for magic tied to Materia limited the reasons why you'd take one party member over another (granted, this was a problem with the Magicites in Final Fantasy VI, too).

Ultimately, it wasn't bad. But even at the time, I thought it was my least favorite Final Fantasy game (I can safely say now that XII and II are worse). But the way people go on about it like it was the pinnacle of not just the Final Fantasy series, but gaming in general, is pretty ridiculous. Hence, why I think it's so overrated.

So what made games like Lunar, Star Ocean and FF IV great in comparison to FF VII and so on? I came into the RPG scene late as the first one I ever played was Grandia 2, then Skies of Arcadia (unless you count all the Zelda games that came before them). I've never played FF VII, VIII or IX, but I have played X, X2 and XII and thought they were great (well, X2 was alright). I guess I'm just wondering what I'm missing by having not played these early RPGs.

I couldn't tell you. The first and only Lunar game I played was Silver Star Story, and I actually didn't care for it. Due to lack of money, I missed a lot of JRPGs I wish I would have played during the PSX days, and the only ones I really got into during the PS2 days were the Shin Megami Tensei games, and that was more by choice. I've actually yet to play a JRPG during this console generation, as Western RPGs like Dragon Age and Mass Effect seem to have better stories and mechanics.

Edited March 4, 2010 by mikeszekely

[shiroikaze]

While I love FFIX, it's so full of homages and was pretty much designed to be "nostalgic" that I think playing it without having played most of the others would be kinda pointless.

I don't think it's kinda pointless, even with all the throwbacks to the older games, FFIX still feels very different (to me at least).

I'd suggest FFVI if you want to try an older one, the story/twists of that one still hold their own against modern day stuff. Or VII. VIII and XII were just "OK" IMHO. (I actually think I like VIII better than XII, even though I hate VIII's whole drawing/GF system)

I thought the junction system was pretty good and that the GFs were fine. Drawing needed go back to the drawing board...

Speaking of FFVIII, this is a nice read:

http://squallsdead.com/

Also, you know what game you don't hear people talking about often?

Terranigma.

That game, at the time I played it, was pretty mind-blowing.

[D.D. Ivanov]

The Junction system had to be the most broken thing ever. Spend a little bit of time levelling up and getting Water before the Fire Cavern set you up for the next two discs.

Speaking of FFVIII, this is a nice read:

http://squallsdead.com/

...Damnit, can't I go anywhere without someone mentioning that now?

[shiroikaze]

The Junction system had to be the most broken thing ever. Spend a little bit of time levelling up and getting Water before the Fire Cavern set you up for the next two discs.

I don't think that in particular makes junctioning broken.

...Damnit, can't I go anywhere without someone mentioning that now?

Unfortunately, the coin landed heads up.

[David Hingtgen]

I thought the junction system was pretty good and that the GFs were fine. Drawing needed go back to the drawing board...

The problem is that they're linked---or more accurate, YOUR stats are based on their link. At the end, pretty much everyone is going to have every stat linked to the best spells. Except of course that by doing so, every time you cast ultima your max HP or mag atk power goes down...

So thus you can't USE all those spells you've drawn without sacrificing your stats. I mean, in a prolonged battle (and FF8 had some LONG battles) spells may be doing noticeably less damage than earlier--depending on what you're casting and how they're junctioned.

[shiroikaze]

One way to get around that is to junction spells you don't really need (like the status effect spells) or plan what magic to use.

What I think they should've done was something that should be akin to Chrono Cross. You could allot a portion of your magic for either battle or junctioning, or the stats could be based on how much you've drawn, not how much you have at hand.

Edited March 5, 2010 by shiroikaze

[Einherjar]

Of the Playstation era Final Fantasies, my order of preference is IX, VII, then VIII. I still bought the remakes of I, II, IV, V, and VI that were released on the system as well, despite the loading problems. And since IV was packaged with Chrono Trigger, it was good times.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Einherjar

[Keith]

I don't think it's kinda pointless, even with all the throwbacks to the older games, FFIX still feels very different (to me at least).

I thought the junction system was pretty good and that the GFs were fine. Drawing needed go back to the drawing board...

Speaking of FFVIII, this is a nice read:

http://squallsdead.com/

You know, I still haven't gotten around to playing VIII, but I find that hilarious, and entirely possible after reading it. Considering how everyone went apeshit with Aerith, that'd be a balzy & comical movie for Square to have made.

[bluemax151]

fixed.

lol now I know you're just trolling

If you're going to talk FF and what should be played/experienced then you have to be talking about 2/4 and 3/6 if you're not a graphics whore. Personally I prefer FF9 but 2/4&3/6 really have "something for everyone" generally. I could go on forever about ff shiz but I won't because it's all been said a million times.

[kanedaestes]

I really enjoyed Lunar, the dialogue and the story. It was just a fun game in general, plus it was relatively hard since for every level you went up the enemies went up as well so everything was always stronger than you.