AcroRay Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Now if only they would make a Legioss & Tread set with an Aoshima QC Legioss. You mean a Legioss & Tread set with the Tread's QC? Because Aoshima's Legioss QC seems to have been pretty d4mn bad. Funny how so many people diss Toynami's QC, but then a Japanese company did far, far worse with exactly the same tooling set. There's certainly some irony there. The rule, I think, is that these super-complex, short-run toys are a potential nightmare for anyone undertaking them. Edited January 12, 2009 by AcroRay
SuperHobo Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 You mean a Legioss & Tread set with the Tread's QC? Because Aoshima's Legioss QC seems to have been pretty d4mn bad. Funny how so many people diss Toynami's QC, but then a Japanese company did far, far worse with exactly the same tooling set. There's certainly some irony there. The irony only grows because people are now praising toynami's beta and yet Aoshima was in charge of the design and qc. Someone make a good modern legioss. Pretty please. Sculpt and durability,
RavenHawk Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 The irony only grows because people are now praising toynami's beta and yet Aoshima was in charge of the design and qc. Someone make a good modern legioss. Pretty please. Sculpt and durability, Also, there's one other small detail. I know we're collectors here and all, and adults... but let's face it, the Legioss just isn't fun to transform. The Tread is. A $10 Transformers Animated toy is fun. The $60 Legioss, while cool, just isn't fun.
jenius Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Also, there's one other small detail. I know we're collectors here and all, and adults... but let's face it, the Legioss just isn't fun to transform. The Tread is. A $10 Transformers Animated toy is fun. The $60 Legioss, while cool, just isn't fun. The old 1/35 Gakken is fun to transform. We just need a company to make an updated 1/35 and we'll all have that Legioss toy we're clamoring for. If they want to make a huge 1/35 Tread too so much the better! Yes, I'm aware this isn't going to happen.
SuperHobo Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 The old 1/35 Gakken is fun to transform. We just need a company to make an updated 1/35 and we'll all have that Legioss toy we're clamoring for. If they want to make a huge 1/35 Tread too so much the better! Yes, I'm aware this isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking man. Who knows though it looks like were getting the ultimate ride armor, so maybe one awesome company will smile and say lets do an ultra detailed huge legioss. One day.
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Someone make a good modern legioss. Pretty please. Sculpt and durability, Yes, please. CM's an Toynami engineered disappointing Legioss toys. Both look great to me(I have Zetas from both companies), but quality wise, both companies turned out way better Treads/Betas than Legioss/Alphas. The $60 Legioss, while cool, just isn't fun. Would be if it was engineered better. The old 1/35 Gakken is fun to transform. We just need a company to make an updated 1/35 and we'll all have that Legioss toy we're clamoring for. If they want to make a huge 1/35 Tread too so much the better! Make it 1/32 and be done with it. Fits in with a popular model aircraft scale, and would be the biggest Legioss ever made.
danth Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 You mean a Legioss & Tread set with the Tread's QC? Because Aoshima's Legioss QC seems to have been pretty d4mn bad. Yeah, I mean good QC. I suspect Aoshima wasn't "in charge" of the QC on their Legioss in the same way as on their Tread. Funny how so many people diss Toynami's QC, but then a Japanese company did far, far worse with exactly the same tooling set. There's certainly some irony there. But if my suspicion is right, it all makes sense. Then again, things rarely make sense.
Mog Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 If I was to remake the Alpha or the Legioss, there's a few things I would do to improve the build. If at all possible, I would try to stay with the general look and sculpt of the Toynami/Imai version, but improve the following: 1) Get rid of the die-cast in the arms; it weighs them down unnecessarily. 2) Find a way to make the shoulders/missile launchers rachet-jointed. Anyone that's handled an Alpha knows how frustrating the Floppy Arm Syndrome can get. 3) Redesign the hands, and make them out of much more solid material (POM perhaps?). 4) Either ratchet-joint the hips, or make the design similar to the hips on the Yamato 1/60 YF-21. The Alpha/Legioss has practically the same transformation sequence as the YF-21 in that hip joint area. 5) Try to make the landing gears just a little bit longer. It's shameful that there's so little clearance between the ground and the Alpha/Legioss chest. 6) Either try to make the design tolerances a little more forgiving to get a nice and tight fit in fighter mode. Or up the bloody hell out of the quality control. The last one will probably be the hardest, but it's probably the one that's most responsible for a lot of the problems. The Toynami/Imai Alpha is a fairly complex design. And one screw-up at the factory can lead to a crooked or improper fit at the head, arms that can't open because they were glued shut, a torso that keeps collapsing in battloid because someone didn't glue it properly, weak hip joints that allow the whole upper body's weight to flop over if the legs are positioned too far to the front or back, ugly gaps in the fighter mode because some part won't collapse properly, and a host of other mild to downright massive flaws.
Chet Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Aoshima should package their Tread with a Legioss that has improved QC. It would cost more, but I'm sure collectors wouldn't mind buying the set. Saves them the trouble of having to take a chance on finding a standalone Legioss with good QC. Even if Aoshima were to reisssue the standalone Legioss with better QC, they might just use the same packaging without any indication that it is an improved reissue (as most of these companies do nowadays).
wwwmwww Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I think this is the image Jenius is talking about. Yep, that's the picture I was talking about. Thanks guys. Yes, I had missed that picture before as this is the first time I've seen it. Carl
AcroRay Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 For those of us who want a Gakken-styled "Playable" Legioss (And please note I'm one of those. I love 'em with brute, Takatoku-like playability!) to add to our collections, I'm wondering if the best option would simply be to just save up the cash and buy a minty vintage one - or be satisfied with whatever vintage ones you've already got. They didn't look too bad, I think, and could certainly take a playtime pounding within reason. And considering the modern-day cost of manufacturing something like that for an interest group as limited as the Mospeada/RT:NG, you'd probably be paying as much or more for a newly-manufactures one as you would for a like-new vintage example anyway.
DarrinG Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Not to beat the shoulder missile thing to death but what bugged me was it didn't look like they had any reason to skip these. They took the time to put Alpha fore-arm missiles in you can't even see but leave out what would seem to be big square bays on the beta. (again- $150 in this economy) Does anyone know what that top yellow/orange rack is supposed to be? Is it a sensor array? I believe the RPG and other places say its missiles. The Japanese is right there in the art if someone can translate. Anyhow - it must not bug me that much cuz I already pre-ordered the red version . . .
Vermillion21 Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 For those of us who want a Gakken-styled "Playable" Legioss (And please note I'm one of those. I love 'em with brute, Takatoku-like playability!) to add to our collections, I'm wondering if the best option would simply be to just save up the cash and buy a minty vintage one - or be satisfied with whatever vintage ones you've already got. I was wondering the same thing too ... just save, then try to find a minty 1/35 old school Gakken ...
AcroRay Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Does anyone know what that top yellow/orange rack is supposed to be? Is it a sensor array? I believe the RPG and other places say its missiles. The Japanese is right there in the art if someone can translate. "Laser Bomb" launcher, according to the Japanese line art notes, according to Roger (Who I would trust with my life! But not with my wife...)
jenius Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Buy an old beat up Gakken 1/35 then start customizing!! Add the torso swivel one member did here and a proper paint job.
Ignacio Ocamica Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Can't wait any more for my Beagle Ride Armor!!! I hope Overdrive gets they order in by the 15th like they said in their newsletter It', my most anticipated toy!!!
eyesonme78 Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Anyways, i think i have to start to save to buy it.. hahah.. Edited January 14, 2009 by eyesonme78
mr.chogokin Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 Argh! Why didn't they make it bigger than the Gakken?????
sqidd Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 Can't wait any more for my Beagle Ride Armor!!! I hope Overdrive gets they order in by the 15th like they said in their newsletter It', my most anticipated toy!!! I have never been this excited about a toy ever. The Beagle looks like it will be everything the ride armor was supposed to be. I can't wait for the reviews!
Hiriyu Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 I'm itching for the Beagle too. Nonetheless, Yaco's Gakken still looks mighty fine.
SuperHobo Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 We should do a countdown for the beagle. Only a few more days. hours, minutes to go. Overdrive ship mine out first!
Tober Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 Yeah, it feels like it's been years So in theory it should leave the warehouses in about 16 hours, arriving at the distributors around end of day - about 24 hours away. Then distributors (like Overdrive) should start shipping to us next business day (Friday)... So around Monday they should start arriving to customers overseas Japanese folk will start receiving theirs tomorrow I guess...
Vostok 7 Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 I have never been this excited about a toy ever. The Beagle looks like it will be everything the ride armor was supposed to be. I can't wait for the reviews! It just looks so amazing in every mode I can't believe it. They hit nearly every mode so spot on in proportions its nuts. And they seem to be using a good mix of materials (Yamato-class or better, lots of ABS and POM). So I guess the real question is, hows the QC going to be? That will be make or break. If it's got perfect QC, then it definitely will be worth the ~$250 they're asking for it. I just can't get over how perfect it looks in bike mode. Finally, a modern Ride Armor toy that doesn't look like some guy riding a Mini-Bike! Finally a modern Ride Armor toy that can lean like in the artwork! MOSPEADA gods be praised! They have truly smiled upon us this day. Vostok 7
mr.chogokin Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) In order not to jinx the yet to be released Beagle. Let's not put its name and Yamato in the same sentence with words like qc, plastic, abs or pom. Tq! Edited January 14, 2009 by mr.chogokin
Vostok 7 Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 In order not to jinx the yet to be released Beagle. Let's not put its name and Yamato in the same sentence with words like qc, plastic, abs or pom. Tq! :lol: Vostok 7
CoryHolmes Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 As awesome as this toy looks, I'm going to hold off on it. At least until the Rand version comes out. And the Rook...
holytoledo69 Posted January 14, 2009 Posted January 14, 2009 ***sigh*** I wish I haven't gotten rid of my Gakken..
mar_ku Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Finally yesterday I got my beta and my second blue alpha. I'm happy as a kid (despite that customs killed me with another 85 bucks), and apparently I was very lucky with the alpha regarding qc. The idea is to have my old alpha (little breakages here and there) permanently displayed in fighter mode, and the new one permanently in battloid mode, to give them the chance to survive without disintegrating in my hands. Anyway, while reviewing the alpha's booklet I found an error in the transformation instructions. Don't know if this was already reported. See the attached file; the hip joint position marked as "fighter mode" should be labeled "battloid & guardian mode", and viceversa. If you follow the instructions as they are, you won't be able to collapse the mid-torso section, and probably your fighter will end with the famous "banana shape" syndrome. Hope this helps.
nightmareB4macross Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Finally yesterday I got my beta and my second blue alpha. I'm happy as a kid (despite that customs killed me with another 85 bucks), and apparently I was very lucky with the alpha regarding qc. The idea is to have my old alpha (little breakages here and there) permanently displayed in fighter mode, and the new one permanently in battloid mode, to give them the chance to survive without disintegrating in my hands. Anyway, while reviewing the alpha's booklet I found an error in the transformation instructions. Don't know if this was already reported. See the attached file; the hip joint position marked as "fighter mode" should be labeled "battloid & guardian mode", and viceversa. If you follow the instructions as they are, you won't be able to collapse the mid-torso section, and probably your fighter will end with the famous "banana shape" syndrome. Hope this helps. Hmm. I should read the instruction booklet one-day. I had no idea the legs shifted postion at the hips. You could be right about correcting the "banana" syndrome in fighter mode. Thanks for the tip.
ruskiiVFaussie Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 As awesome as this toy looks, I'm going to hold off on it. At least until the Rand version comes out. And the Rook... Same, i'm having a hard time resisting getting the standard armor.... It looks perfect! Almost too perfect.
Sam Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 no where have a seen a pic of the ride armours arms actually posed up high-ish, kinda like they are limited to being pointed downwards all th time? or can they raise up enough to do say, eye level gun posing shots?
RavenHawk Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Finally yesterday I got my beta and my second blue alpha. I'm happy as a kid (despite that customs killed me with another 85 bucks), and apparently I was very lucky with the alpha regarding qc. The idea is to have my old alpha (little breakages here and there) permanently displayed in fighter mode, and the new one permanently in battloid mode, to give them the chance to survive without disintegrating in my hands. Anyway, while reviewing the alpha's booklet I found an error in the transformation instructions. Don't know if this was already reported. See the attached file; the hip joint position marked as "fighter mode" should be labeled "battloid & guardian mode", and viceversa. If you follow the instructions as they are, you won't be able to collapse the mid-torso section, and probably your fighter will end with the famous "banana shape" syndrome. Hope this helps. How did you get your hands on a blue alpha?
Alex Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) So the Beagle is out today? Probably won't have time to go get one till at least next Friday. I'm guessing that they will probably be sold out over here by then. When will the Ray be coming out. February or March? Edited January 15, 2009 by Alex
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