Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Hmmm... I wonder if Bandi will just be reusing Toynami's molds or introducing a new 1/100 VF-1, since there was a rumor about the two of them in cahoots for US distro. There is no rumor, Toynami is bringing over the Tamashii valkyries, I think the first chunkies that will be brought over arrive in september. I highly doubt Bandai will reuse Toynami's molds, the quality is not up to par, nor is the design. The way it works is this, Bandai is the designer/producer, Toynami is the distributor, thats it. Hell even the new heads for the Robotech chunkies next year may even be of Bandai's designs.
Grand Admiral Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 If the 1/100 VF-2SS toy looks good and comes with the SAP, I'm buying a whole squadron. I don't care how much parts swapping is involved. I've been waiting for a decent VF-2SS w/SAP toy since 1992. Graham Even though I have gone on record as disliking parts swapping, I will not be able to resist a VF-2SS. Or the VF-4, for that matter.
Radd Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Toynami will be bringing all the 1/100 Valkyries to North America? I wonder how that will work with the licensing situation?
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Toynami will be bringing all the 1/100 Valkyries to North America? I wonder how that will work with the licensing situation? Not sure but its likely, when I stated that Toynami was bringing over the Tamashii valkyries, I was referring to the 1/55 Origin of Valkyrie reissues, which are under the Tamashii banner. The only difference being a sticker on the box that says Toynami, thats it. With that said, anything Macross made by Bandai/Tamashii is most likely able to be brought over by Toynami.
radareosf Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Not sure but its likely, when I stated that Toynami was bringing over the Tamashii valkyries, I was referring to the 1/55 Origin of Valkyrie reissues, which are under the Tamashii banner. The only difference being a sticker on the box that says Toynami, thats it. With that said, anything Macross made by Bandai/Tamashii is most likely able to be brought over by Toynami. These 1/100s are like the toynamis right, no assembly and coloring required, fun right out of the box, looking forward to vf-0.
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 These 1/100s are like the toynamis right, no assembly and coloring required, fun right out of the box, looking forward to vf-0. Yes toys, not models, and their VF-1 will most likely blow Toynami's out of the water.
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 (edited) If the 1/100 VF-2SS toy looks good and comes with the SAP, I'm buying a whole squadron. I don't care how much parts swapping is involved. I've been waiting for a decent VF-2SS w/SAP toy since 1992. Graham My thoughts exactly. Edit: Did Bandai said anything about the release dates of the other 1/100 Valks? Edited September 1, 2008 by Lonely Soldier Boy
Kelsain Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) While I'm still hoping for a 1/72 VF-171, this should at least give me a back up. I really like the idea of this line, but the $40-$50 price range is mellowing me out. *Edit: Crap! Just looked at HLJ and the 1/72s are $40 too! Dangit, this used to be an affordable hobby... Edited September 2, 2008 by Kelsain
Britai 7018 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 http://www.hlj.com/hlj_gallery2/v/c3hobby/DSC_5599.jpg.html HLJ suggests that the 1/100 line will have the VF-27, YF-21, VF-1, VF-4, VF-25, VF-0, VF-19, VF-171, and YF-19.
danth Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) You know...I have to think that the universe is trying to give me exactly what I want, but it has some trouble getting the specifications right. So, let me make it clear. PERFECT TRANSFORMATION. NO PARTS SWAPPING FOR TRANSFORMATION! PERFECT TRANSFORMATION. NO PARTS SWAPPING FOR TRANSFORMATION! PERFECT TRANSFORMATION. NO PARTS SWAPPING FOR TRANSFORMATION! Chant it with me! And here is a partial list of which toys I want. I'll want more later, but do these first: VF-1J Hikaru with GBP armor VF-1D with elongated canopy VF-1A Cannon Fodder with fast packs Elint Seeker & Super Ostrich with correct canopies VF-4 VF-11 with fast packs VF-2SS with SAP VF-2J Icarus Regult (with swappable weapons) Recon Regult Glaug Q Rau N Ger Destroids Thanks, universe! Edited September 3, 2008 by danth
Valkyrie addict Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 haha, the universe will implode first before getting that full list
danth Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 http://www.hlj.com/hlj_gallery2/v/c3hobby/DSC_5599.jpg.html HLJ suggests that the 1/100 line will have the VF-27, YF-21, VF-1, VF-4, VF-25, VF-0, VF-19, VF-171, and YF-19. That's what it says on the sign. But let's not confuse the universe. Let's all focus on my list...and chant.
eriku Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 That's what it says on the sign. But let's not confuse the universe. Let's all focus on my list...and chant. I'll chant your list, but it'll have a slight variation as I need to have the VF-17 pretty close to the top.
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I wonder if Bandai will go with a policy of making the Hundreds as little parts swapping as possible. If that's the case maybe Bandai could produce PT toys of the most "straight forward" valks, like the VF-1. Toynami's turned out pretty nice, so I'd like to see what Bandai can do with it.
eriku Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) There's absolutely no excuse for them to NOT make the VF-1 with perfect transformation. They've already done 1/100 with PT years ago. And if Toynami can do a decent PT 1/100 toy, then anyone can do it and do it better - especially Bandai. Edited September 3, 2008 by eriku
Vifam7 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 There's absolutely no excuse for them to NOT make the VF-1 with perfect transformation. They've already done 1/100 with PT years ago. And if Toynami can do a decent PT 1/100 toy, then anyone can do it and do it better - especially Bandai. Yeah, except Toynami's "perfect transformation" toy is crap. Crappy sculpt, crappy build quality, crappy durability, and gaps galore. The ancient 1/100 Takas were PT but again the sculpts were ugly. Both the Toynami and Taka have those ugly hip/leg joint things near the intakes that mar the looks in fighter mode. I hate those things.
UN Spacy Posted September 3, 2008 Author Posted September 3, 2008 So fellas. Which of the CONFIRMED releases are you looking forward to the most? Me? As if there was any doubt it's definitely the VF-4.
Vegas Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) vf-4 here too. someone should make a poll about this Edited September 3, 2008 by Vegas
danth Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) I'll chant your list, but it'll have a slight variation as I need to have the VF-17 pretty close to the top. Thanks. I was going to have my list be "EVERY F*CKING VALK -- DON'T FORGET THE MAXL" but I didn't want to push my luck with the universe. So I have no objections to getting a VF-17. There's absolutely no excuse for them to NOT make the VF-1 with perfect transformation. They've already done 1/100 with PT years ago. And if Toynami can do a decent PT 1/100 toy, then anyone can do it and do it better - especially Bandai. Quoted for absolute truth. Yeah, except Toynami's "perfect transformation" toy is crap. Crappy sculpt, crappy build quality, crappy durability, and gaps galore. I wouldn't go that far. I liked the sculpt besides the big shoulders and the big chin on the 1S. The intake area in fighter mode was off a bit, too, but I still liked 'em. And I had no quality issues with mine. Edited September 3, 2008 by danth
jenius Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Yeah, except Toynami's "perfect transformation" toy is crap. Crappy sculpt, crappy build quality, crappy durability, and gaps galore. The ancient 1/100 Takas were PT but again the sculpts were ugly. Both the Toynami and Taka have those ugly hip/leg joint things near the intakes that mar the looks in fighter mode. I hate those things. I'd much rather have a toy be perfect transformation and have some ugly bits than imperfect transformation ANY day. Non PT toys inevitably fall apart, pieces pop off and get lost, and usually they're not visually all that much better. Even in larger scale non-PT toys like the Yamato 1/60 V1 just suck. Yes, the Toynami 1/100 could look and function better in many respects but it's still a nice compromise in all three modes and gets the job done (the swing bars are TEENY in comparison to older toys although they do need a lock). As far as I'm concerned, if they're going to charge $39.99 for these then there better be a LOT of engineering going into them and that better mean they're perfect transformation. I don't think a Lego version of transformation should run nearly this expensive. If it's $39.99 and twice as nice as the Toynami 1/100 I'm going to LOVE this line.
Vifam7 Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 I'd much rather have a toy be perfect transformation and have some ugly bits than imperfect transformation ANY day. Non PT toys inevitably fall apart, pieces pop off and get lost, and usually they're not visually all that much better. Even in larger scale non-PT toys like the Yamato 1/60 V1 just suck. Yes, the Toynami 1/100 could look and function better in many respects but it's still a nice compromise in all three modes and gets the job done (the swing bars are TEENY in comparison to older toys although they do need a lock). As far as I'm concerned, if they're going to charge $39.99 for these then there better be a LOT of engineering going into them and that better mean they're perfect transformation. I don't think a Lego version of transformation should run nearly this expensive. If it's $39.99 and twice as nice as the Toynami 1/100 I'm going to LOVE this line. Well I think we're blowing things a bit out of proportion if we think these 1/100s are going to be Lego-like. And okay, maybe I was overstating things a bit with the Toynami toy. But I respectfully disagree that it MUST be PT. I certainly wouldn't mind it being PT. But if push comes to shove, if PT means I have to compromise on sculpt (esp. in fighter mode) - no thanks. I'd rather compromise PT than sculpt.
Graham Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Most looking forward to VF-171 and VF-2SS w/SAP. Of course a decent VF-17 would be great as well. Graham
the_foul_fowl Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 But I respectfully disagree that it MUST be PT. I certainly wouldn't mind it being PT. But if push comes to shove, if PT means I have to compromise on sculpt (esp. in fighter mode) - no thanks. I'd rather compromise PT than sculpt. Aye, I concur. If not having PT means 1) good sculpt in all 3 modes, 2) sturdiness (i.e. no parts dropping off) and 3) resilience to parts breakage, then I'm all for non-PT. At least I can play with it! While I love the engineering and design of the Yamato toys, all the reports of breakage on a >US$100 item has made me paranoid to transform it too much.
Sumdumgai Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 I'm not a big fan of loseable parts. The less that needs to come off the valkyrie that can be lost, the better.
Max Jenius Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Hopefully the 171 is perfect eh? We Nightmare fans haven't gotten much love outside of the fatties and the unbearably thin models.. I'd like a down to earth realistic 17/1 with a good self image...
eriku Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 The only alternative to a swing bar that I can think of is if they make the legs removable to be pegged into the nose, which at 1/100 scale would probably mean big holes in the side of the nose. I'd rather have a swing bar than holes, and I'd rather have PT than have to remove the legs and put them back on, but to each their own. I just don't believe that every toy in the 1/100 scale will need to be a parts-swapper in order to retain the integrity of alt mode.
Vifam7 Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 The only alternative to a swing bar that I can think of is if they make the legs removable to be pegged into the nose, which at 1/100 scale would probably mean big holes in the side of the nose. I'd rather have a swing bar than holes, and I'd rather have PT than have to remove the legs and put them back on, but to each their own. I just don't believe that every toy in the 1/100 scale will need to be a parts-swapper in order to retain the integrity of alt mode. It could also be like the old 1/72 Imai/Bandai kits in which you swap the entire forward fuselage. In other words you get 2 versions of the forward fuselage - one for fighter/gerwalk mode and one for battroid mode. This could conveniently solve the want for a long nose in fighter mode and a short nose in battloid mode. Not to mention doing away with big holes and ugly swing bars.
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 I want a VF-19S Blazer valk, something about that is sexy, even if at first I didn't care for it. I loved my 1/100 fire valkyrie kit, and this blazer will be better because it is an actual toy as opposed to a plamo that isn't supposed to be played with, though I still played with it!
danth Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) It could also be like the old 1/72 Imai/Bandai kits in which you swap the entire forward fuselage. In other words you get 2 versions of the forward fuselage - one for fighter/gerwalk mode and one for battroid mode. This could conveniently solve the want for a long nose in fighter mode and a short nose in battloid mode. Not to mention doing away with big holes and ugly swing bars. Universe, do NOT listen to this guy. Vifam7, geez man, do you understand the point of a transforming toy? You were complaining about the Toynami 1/100, and now you want the Bandai version to use different nosecones for different modes? Oh wait, here's an idea. They could just swap the WHOLE TOY for fighter and battroid modes. That solves ALL the anime magic problems. F*ck this transformation thing. Edited September 4, 2008 by danth
sharky Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Eh, the 1/100 VF-25's going to go for around $50. A lot cheaper than 1/60 Yamato valks, but still not cheap enough to buy every single one... (of course, lots of people here bought every 1/48) Ouch, $50 does sound a bit high for a 1/100 scale toy. I guess the hook is that they are making many of the lesser produced valks that people will pay the higher price anyway.
eriku Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 I remember putting together one of those kits with the swappable nose sections when I was a kid. I was soooo happy to find a valk model kit in my small town, even though it was just a 1A brownie molded in flesh colored plastic...but when I realized the whole nose section had to be swapped to achieve battroid mode my balloon instantly deflated and I couldn't even finish putting the kit together. Luckily I got got a joke machine shortly after whose rotating canopy, fast packs and perfect transformation kept me in amazement for months. I'd be curious to know the percentage of the fanbase that prefers PT and which people don't care. I'm typically seriously opposed to parts-swapping unless it's absolutely neccessary, like Yamato's GN-U Groizer toy. I can certainly understand how people would want parts-swapping to retain the sleekness of fighter mode, but I'm more in the 'give me a playable toy with PT' camp. Too bad we can't just have both in the same line.
Vifam7 Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Universe, do NOT listen to this guy. Vifam7, geez man, do you understand the point of a transforming toy? You were complaining about the Toynami 1/100, and now you want the Bandai version to use different nosecones for different modes? Obviously I'm confusing everyone's want for PT and my acceptance of parts-forming. Never should've wrote late at night. ^^;
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