Macross Frontier Episode 19 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[brouken]

Just finished watching last night! Had to convert gg's mkv to MP4 so that the missus and I could watch it on our PS3 on 32" Bravia LCD setup (though I don't have problems watching the mkv on my 2.8 Ghz P4, 1 GB Ram and Radeon X1950 GT PC). My gratitude once again goes to Sergorn for teaching me how to properly covert soft subbed files using Xvid2PSP!

BTW, I also have all of the episodes so far on my PSP, so I can watch and review them anywhere, anytime! Resolution is top notch and infinitely better than Sony PSP Media Manager's output.

This is a very character-driven episode. No mecha porn whatsoever (unless the Destroid Cheyenne's ceremonial gun salute qualify). Not to say that I didn't enjoy it, though. Quite the contrary.

Just like the other's opinions, I feel that the plot has been significantly pushed forward this time round. To sum it up simply, this episode is a "shizz about to hit the fan" moment.

I like how they paid homage to the DYRL scene where Hikaru was running up the stairs to meet with Minmay, only this time, they used Ranka and under different conditions. That moment where she catches Sheryl and Alto hugging is also in homage to the DYRL scene where Misa, upon discovering the lyrics to the DYRL song, rushes to share her discovery with Hikaru, only to find him in Minmay's embrace.

And is that Vajra watching the concert an evovled Ai-kun? So he's not a red lobster after all?

A Coup-d-etat? Man! How could I have not seen that one coming! I always thought that Leon felt perfectly satisfied running the show from the shadows. But now he's about to take it to the next step. I'm wondering now how he's going to convince the populace of his fitness to rule, not to mention how he's going to explain how the president died (assuming he DOES get assassinated). Martial Law anyone? (Winks at the Filipinos in this forum).

And they brought back Maaya! Hehe, must've heard the clamor for Triangler here in MW! The episode IS called "Triangler" after all.

I'm willing to bet another $100 that they use "Diamond Crevasse" for the next episode's ending.

[grss1982]

I shall reiterate our stance on Man-Faye where it applies:

*steps out of the way*

OH. Sorry. Taking it down NOW.

Oh and one more thing, should you post clips of Man-Faye doing the Nyan-Nyan dance, MacrossWorld and affiliates are not responsible for any damages or bodily harm.

^^ I don't like the sound of that. Hope nobody raises a mob complete with pitchforks and all to go after me.

Edited August 21, 2008 by grss1982

[-Snowblind-]

BTW...someone named KiNA ponted this out at the animesuki forums:

Edited so as not to incur the wrath of Angry MWers.

...Is it just me, or does that kinda look like Dr. Chiba from M7? O.o

[dreamweaver13]

...Is it just me, or does that kinda look like Dr. Chiba from M7? O.o

OH.MY.GOD.

i guess the old guy never let go of his idol fanboy leanings. tsk, tsk.

[RedWolf]

OH.MY.GOD.

i guess the old guy never let go of his idol fanboy leanings. tsk, tsk.

Does he know Grace is using his inventions for evil?

Flower Girl on the other hand is a damn mystery.

1. 2010 She was a Minmay Fan bumping into Hikaru in Macross Classic. During the so called lost years.

2. 2047 She's following Basara around as we have seen.

3. 2059 She was at Sheryl's concert in the Frontier manga around the same episode where Alto entered the Vajra battleship to rescue Luca.

Just who is she?

Edited August 21, 2008 by RedWolf

[Gubaba]

Does he know Grace is using his inventions for evil?

Flower Girl on the other hand is a damn mystery.

1. 2010 She was a Minmay Fan bumping into Hikaru in Macross Classic. During the so called lost years.

2. 2047 She's following Basara around as we have seen.

3. 2059 She was at Sheryl's concert in the Frontier manga around the same episode where Alto entered the Vajra battleship to rescue Luca.

Just who is she?

She's the benevolent goddess of the world of Macross...bringing Yoshinol to all in need.

[azrael]

OH. Sorry. Taking it down NOW.

I didn't say there anything wrong with it (unless it was Man-Faye). I'm just warning you, if you post it, I'm not gonna stand in the way of the pitchforks, gunpods, Macross Cannons, reaction weapons, or MDEs.

[dreamweaver13]

Does he know Grace is using his inventions for evil?

Flower Girl on the other hand is a damn mystery.

1. 2010 She was a Minmay Fan bumping into Hikaru in Macross Classic. During the so called lost years.

2. 2047 She's following Basara around as we have seen.

3. 2059 She was at Sheryl's concert in the Frontier manga around the same episode where Alto entered the Vajra battleship to rescue Luca.

Just who is she?

the sole survivor of the protoculture!!

[grss1982]

I didn't say there anything wrong with it (unless it was Man-Faye). I'm just warning you, if you post it, I'm not gonna stand in the way of the pitchforks, gunpods, Macross Cannons, reaction weapons, or MDEs.

MDEs? Please anything but THAT!!!

Anyways....for while there I thought I was violating some rule or something and was about to be pwned. Thus I edited my earlier post.

Speaking of MDEs...are they gonna be used next episode?

[Thom]

Is it me, or is Xeros' avatar a spoiler for episode 20! I don't recall Ranka ever being Bitch-slapped by Sheryl!!

Edited August 21, 2008 by Thome

[dreamweaver13]

Is it me, or is Xeros' avatar a spoiler for episode 20! I don't recall Ranka ever being Bitch-slapped by Sheryl!!

what are you talking about? i remember it clearly....

happens in my dreams all the time. hehehe.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

*bump* just watched all the way up to 19.

Will catch up to the rest of you guys later. But yeah I like the pacing of this. Who would have thought that little pet thing was about to transform into a monster.

The idea of humans vs humans is a good one. It's starting to feel like a gundam show now where there is a bit of politics involved in events and the invisible hand is revealed as an octopus with its tentacles in everything slowly manipulating the key people towards some bigger plan..

The show succeeds in making it's unique mark on the universe instead of being a clone of old macross shows.

Does anyone here get reminded of the fear of the "cat being infected by a chest burster" in "alien" when they realised the green pet was a vajra?

That's the first thing that came to mind. Of course in Alien the cat wasn't a host for a chest burster but that's what the movie made me think because of the way they focus on the cat being scared of something.

Another thing is when Ranka grabs her stomach whenever an alien is destroyed hints that maybe she is a 'PC humanoid-shaped queen' and is about to give birth to new species of evolved vajra that resist the weapons. It reminds me of the theme in technoman where Blade might turn into a monster and go against the humans.

Her emotions and singing combined with the fold crystals reminds me of the power crystal in technoman! I keep thinking that maybe she is going to turn into a super robot or something and using the power of the Fold Crystal she can command the vajra monsters like the kid in pokemon and command the pocket monsters to fight. hehe.

Before you laugh look at how Sara was able to command that flower monster in macross zero. Nature vs technology!

All that has to happen is for ranka to get angry and traumatised when she gets her memory back from the events that stunned her back as a child, for her to sending negative emotions to the monsters and then we have a thing similar to the end of macross zero and macross 7 again. (monsters vs humans)

The artificial cyborgs are probably jealous of the bio-mecha power. It's sort of like if Ironman (manufactured weapons) got into a fight with the characters in Technoman who were naturally born as powerful warrior living weapons.

I think of the monsters are like eco-terrorists created by the PC a long time ago to take over other planets cheaply VS the "self-aware evolved AI" humans who want to control natures' resources for profit. Humans and AI are making the same mistake as the PC. So it's like the theme in macross zero of man using nature's power to be like a god, (one of the VF is named messiah) which leads to the cataclysmic end (destruction) which caused the fall of atlantis/protoculture as the power got way out of control and the weapons backfired on them.

Anti-UN were the bad guy in Zero because they bombed the forest!

So these new bad guys might be the New Anti-UN who have infiltrated UNG as a way to misuse the weapons to cause all kinds of disasters to stop the UN from having control over everything. (ie they are competing for power)

Meanwhile the NUN are ignorant of them as a real threat, and that's why they (New Anti-UN) were allowed to get as far as they have: the noobs at NUN are too dumb! Every disaster and call for help is staged to lure them into a trap which allows them to get destroyed by the bugs with superior weapons. Why bother fighting the NUN when you can just cause destruction using the experimental biomecha monsters abandoned by the ancient PC and with the help of the rogue zentradi who mindlessly live for wars anyway?

Then from the chaos of the NUN destruction (lead monsters to attack NUN so they can't expand to so far) they can control the monsters using the queen (Ranka)to tame them when they need to control the monsters so that the monster don't turn on the New anti-UN.

-Birla gets to profit! (war means business)

-Anti-UN gets to gain more power! (they got beaten down too many times so its revenge)

-NUN must increasingly rely on SMS who will eventually side with the government who pays the most money. (at the start Ozuma mentions how money is all that matters - he directly benefits from the wars which the Anti-UN can create to give him a "sense of purpose" which is to protect things. Just like Guld feeling like he is this great noble knight protecting myung from dyson when myung can be strong by herself through trials and error which toughen you up by constant trying and trying again and again. (Dyson's reckless way of doing things)

Now I see parallells between Dyson's recklessness to teach myung that it's ok to try something and fail (which allows you to learn from the experience and 'grow') and Alto's recklessness to do what you like because you like it and it give happiness.

And a parallel between Guld's "you do this because it is your solemn duty - protecting myung gives me a sense of purpose because I am a zentradi warrior" and Ozuma "I need to protect people, and using the weapons is survival".

It doesn't really rip off the originals, but the idea is the same thing. Alto is the focus because he didn't join the SMS willingly to protect things at first. It was more that he wanted to fly and this was a means to an end. He could be a reckless fool like dyson and have 'freedom' and it is a selfish emotion because he is doing it for pleasure. Ozuma on the other hand, likes the idea of being a knight and this pleases him because it gives him a 'sense of purpose'. Maybe he couldn't get access to the best toys at NUN military so he decided experimental craft gave him the best way to save lives to show he is in control at SMS. He can be "DA MAN" and prove to himself that he can protect things sucessfully. Like guld commenting that dyson is out of control all the time and focusing on the idea that he has the power to control his fate while reckless people aren't in control so it's sort of pitiful to act reckless. But the reckless behavior leads to making you stronger in the long run since you can experiment, know what something feels like, and grow. Even if it costs you respect for failing, costs you money, it's at the heart of exploration and finding new things, new undiscovered civilisations and treasures. If you don't go on an adventure or journey because it is too reckless and dangerous, you won't gain experience and learn. Alto wants to leave his home to pursue that freedom and Ozuma wants to act as protector babying people to make himself feel good.

Monsters:

The vibe I get is that the monsters are neutral but if provoked will attack. They are just being used by new anti-un to create as much death on the NUN side to "balance the power a bit more for Birla" who can only profit from it all by creating more reliance on his business amongst all the competing sides in wars. But this need to control and expand (both business wise and "government power" wise) ends up with all sides risking killing each other off. (big daddy boss monster awakens from all the chaos and attacks everything out of anger because the children aren't behaving! )

*lets just say that the zentradi were not nice guys, they destroy planets, and these are just more deadly bioweapons for the pc which cost less to provide for

Edited August 29, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker