Duke Togo Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 Grace fails as a human being, but Kaifun fails as a manager. Grace isn't human... Quote
JB0 Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 Grace isn't human... I rest my case. Though I was under the impression she started life as such, and was just cyborgified to the point where it's hard to say now. Quote
Mr March Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 It appears she was originally human. Unless all those great cybernetic achievements were possible 19 years ago, which doesn't seem likely. Quote
Duymon Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 As bad as any manager is the one that tries to kill you (grace) kinda takes the cake.... Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) It appears she was originally human. Unless all those great cybernetic achievements were possible 19 years ago, which doesn't seem likely. Never underestimate Overtechnology.... Kaifun was a drunk and a woman beater. I just really despise that. Whoa... "woman beater"?!!!! WTH!!!! When?!!! WHO?!!! Edited August 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
Duke Togo Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) Never underestimate Overtechnology.... Whoa... "woman beater"?!!!! WTH!!!! When?!!! WHO?!!! He was smacking Minmay around a bit. Edited August 17, 2008 by Duke Togo Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) He was smacking Minmay around a bit. I don't think that qualifies him as a "woman beater"... Did he punched her face? Her stomach? Did he leave her with any serious injuries? Broken bones? A purple eye? Dislocations? I don't think so... A slap or "smack" is a broad stroke made with the open hand, as opposed to a punch that is made with a closed fist. Slaps are frequently made across the face, but can be also made across hands or any other body part, and can use either the palm of the hand or the back of the hand. The purpose of a slap is often to humiliate, instead of injure, the target. I know ppl who have worked with japanese employees and they told me their bosses slap/smack them a lot... only if they are truly disrespectful or fail really bad that is. Anime in general also shows slappings/smackings to be very frequent among most characters... specially those that are supposed to be the good guys. Kaifun was a moron, no doubt about that... But at least he wasn't a genocidal control maniac like G.R.A.C.E.... Edited August 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 He was smacking Minmay around a bit. I don't think that qualifies him as a "woman beater"... Did he punched her face? Her stomach? Did he leave her with any serious injuries? Broken bones? A purple eye? Dislocations? I don't think so... A slap or "smack" is a broad stroke made with the open hand, as opposed to a punch that is made with a closed fist. Slaps are frequently made across the face, but can be also made across hands or any other body part, and can use either the palm of the hand or the back of the hand. The purpose of a slap is often to humiliate, instead of injure, the target. Kaifun was a moron, no doubt about that... But at least he wasn't a genocidal control maniac like G.R.A.C.E.... Kaifun slapped Minmay once (if my memory serves me right). I still wouldn't call him a woman beater.I mean Hikaru slaped her as well, does that make him a woman beater too? Quote
JB0 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Kaifun slapped Minmay once (if my memory serves me right). I still wouldn't call him a woman beater.I mean Hikaru slaped her as well, does that make him a woman beater too? Or does it just mean Minmay invites slapping? Quote
dreamweaver13 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 well, there is such a thing as non-physical abuse. call it verbal, psychological or whatever, a girl can be in an abusive relationship even if her partner never lifts an actual finger against her. i'd say kaifun is one such abuser. Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Or does it just mean Minmay invites slapping? Well I know the RT version does.....along with a falco punch. Quote
Duke Togo Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Kaifun slapped Minmay once (if my memory serves me right). I still wouldn't call him a woman beater.I mean Hikaru slaped her as well, does that make him a woman beater too? No, because Hikaru had less balls then Minmay did. well, there is such a thing as non-physical abuse. call it verbal, psychological or whatever, a girl can be in an abusive relationship even if her partner never lifts an actual finger against her. i'd say kaifun is one such abuser. Very true. Quote
Mr March Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Or does it just mean Minmay invites slapping? Definitely! Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Kaifun slapped Minmay once (if my memory serves me right). I still wouldn't call him a woman beater.I mean Hikaru slaped her as well, does that make him a woman beater too? No, because Hikaru had less balls then Minmay did. Touche my friend, touche! Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 (edited) I believe Mrs. Angel of Death here is the worst, since in the end she is going to have the whole audience/fans killed... Bad for the artist... (Dead ppl can't buy any records... or go to concerts) Edited August 20, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 I believe Mrs. Angel of Death here is the worst, since in the end she is going to have the whole audience killed... Bad for the artist... (Dead ppl can't buy any records...) Really. Too bad she's evil, she does have some good managerial skills to, if she weren't evil. Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 (edited) Really. Too bad she's evil, she does have some good managerial skills to, if she weren't evil. As good as her managerial skills are, I can't understand how killing the audience in a concert with a Vajra attack will help Ranka's career in the end... Edited August 20, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
sucker4meltrans Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 no matter how evil and no matter how high the body count grace can never be more hated then kaifun. Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 (edited) no matter how evil and no matter how high the body count grace can never be more hated then kaifun. I would wait until Macross Frontier ends before even thinking that... Edited August 20, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 no matter how evil and no matter how high the body count grace can never be more hated then kaifun. You know, as bad as that sounds, your probly right. Quote
Morpheus Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Kaifun is more hated than Grace I think. You have to admit it guys, you love Grace when she's being reconstructed in the test tube aren't you For fangirls, too bad we never saw Kaifun reconstructed on the same tube Quote
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 Really. Too bad she's evil, she does have some good managerial skills to, if she weren't evil.As good as her managerial skills are, I can't understand how killing the audience in a concert with a Vajra attack will help Ranka's career in the end... Well, that's the point. Overall shes a good manager. Look at how well she managed Sheryl (up to the whole backstabbing/attempting murder thing of course). And look at how well shes helping Ranka currently. Of course since she's evil, she's doing all this to further her own objectives,(which would involve the killing of the audience, as you stated)...But, if she weren't evil, she would/could be managing the best two stars on Frontier, Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee. But again, the evilness of her and her motives make her a bad choice, and overall, a terrible manager. Kaifun is more hated than Grace I think. You have to admit it guys, you love Grace when she's being reconstructed in the test tube aren't you For fangirls, too bad we never saw Kaifun reconstructed on the same tube I didn't love it. I was hoping she would be gone forever, after the hole dimensional eater thing. I was disappointed to see the she-devil was back, and being "fixed'. Quote
Wes Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 As good as her managerial skills are, I can't understand how killing the audience in a concert with a Vajra attack will help Ranka's career in the end... You're too busy thinks about the old fans; Grace is thinking about getting more new fans. How are you supposed to do that with yesterday's news crowding the available seats? For all you know she was trying to take out all the ticket scalpers with one swoop. Quote
Kronnang Dunn Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 (edited) You're too busy thinks about the old fans; Grace is thinking about getting more new fans. How are you supposed to do that with yesterday's news crowding the available seats? For all you know she was trying to take out all the ticket scalpers with one swoop. You know... Grace's actions killed Michael ... That automatically makes her the worst of the worst in my book (yes, even worse than lame ass Kaifun). I hope Klan discovers the truth eventually ... Edited August 21, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote
RF-26AAC Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 (edited) You know... Grace's actions killed Michael ... That automatically makes her the worst of the worst in my book (yes, even worse than lame ass Kaifun). I hope Klan discovers the truth eventually ... Like Klan will figure it out. Or rather, live long enough to figure it out and/or exact bloody, hateful, murderous revenge. Which frankly, would make me a very, very happy person. I want Klan to kill everyone. Edited August 21, 2008 by RF-26AAC Quote
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