Macross Frontier Mecha/Technology Thread III *Read 1st Post*

[Kronnang Dunn]

CG mecha scans from the new November 2008 issue of Hobby Japan Magazine.

Note the various versions of the VF-171EX.

After about a month, I will remove the pages from the mag to file them and then I can do better scans.

Graham

Good GOD!!!

Man... All that VF... I can't wait to see all the merchandise coming from those!!!

Btw...

Something I've been wondering lately...

Since the new VFs seem to be waay super-faster than the early ones... Does this mean that in combat with some new Zentradi fleet the human fighters would have the advantage? I wonder what are the specs of the Zentradi mecha? Specially the Q-Raus/Q-Rheas... Are the VFs superior to them now?

I'd like to see a performance comparison of the VF-171, VF-171EX, VF-25 and VF-27 against all the Zentradi mecha known... I bet it would be very interesting...

Still remember how dangerous were the Q-Raus from Chlore's fleet. Lots of VF-11s quite easily destroyed in "Fleet of the Strongest Women"...

Edited September 24, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[The_WOZ]

Uhmm... but then how are the VF able to survive an athmospheric reentry?

[Morpheus]

Hmm, YF-21 pushes its capability to the limit when dueling ghost X-9, probably this explain why the outer armor melt when they dogfighting in extreme speed, not enough energy to power the armor.

[Kurisama]

Hmm, YF-21 pushes its capability to the limit when dueling ghost X-9, probably this explain why the outer armor melt when they dogfighting in extreme speed, not enough energy to power the armor.

Looks to me more like the paint stripping off rather than the actual armour.

[RedWolf]

Uhmm... but then how are the VF able to survive an athmospheric reentry?

ECA most likely but they did show that the VF-1 heat shield on episode 27 of Macross

Edited September 24, 2008 by RedWolf

[The_WOZ]

Now that I think about it, no thrust is required for reentry, so all engine power can be directed to ECA.

[badboy00z]

Uhmm... but then how are the VF able to survive an athmospheric reentry?

They have really tough armor and/or PPB?

[ChronoReverse]

Looks to me more like the paint stripping off rather than the actual armour.

If you look at the intact piece of the YF-21 when it's in orbit after the battle, you can see that it's pretty much junked from the heat damage as well as the structural damage from the collision.

Now that I think about it, no thrust is required for reentry, so all engine power can be directed to ECA.

Alternatively, if you use purely thrust and little-to-no aerobraking, then conceivably, the heat the builds up is much less.

Edited September 24, 2008 by ChronoReverse

[Kurisama]

If you look at the intact piece of the YF-21 when it's in orbit after the battle, you can see that it's pretty much junked from the heat damage as well as the structural damage from the collision.

ChronoReverse, Morpheus said:

Hmm, YF-21 pushes its capability to the limit when dueling ghost X-9, probably this explain why the outer armor melt when they dogfighting in extreme speed, not enough energy to power the armor.

I was just saying that it did't look to me that there was any structural damage to the aircraft other than the paint - when in extrme speed.

The 21 being junked in space, well I assume its from slaming into the X-9. But then again, thats just IMO.

[ChronoReverse]

I know what he said and I know what you said and I'm directly agreeing with him and disagreeing with you.

If you look at the image of the YF-21 in space, you'll see a lot of damage that couldn't have come from a collision (such as the leading and trailing edges of the wings as well as on the engine nacelles). The damage also has a frayed look that indicates that it's more than superficial paint damage. The material has actually been shredded by the air.

Edited September 24, 2008 by ChronoReverse

[Kurisama]

That nice. At the end of the day it's an anime - and the artist in question who did the image did what would look cool.

So in the end it doesn't matter one way or the other if u think it's more than 'superficial paint damage', or what i think it is. But good on you for putting so much thought into it.

Also, I in no way mean to be mean or nasty.

_{In anycase, I'm sure the extreme speed cause the superficial damage to the hull. Heh.}

Edited September 24, 2008 by Kurisama

[nugundam93]

regarding the YF-21's junked state after colliding with the X-9, was it because its metal is comparably "softer" or something like it, even with eca? i was thinking of that because it can change shape...?

[sucker4meltrans]

watching SDFM got me thinking. why would UN spacy build more ships identicle to the Macross? i know the design is battle proven for thousands of years but do you really want the hope for humanity's surival being escorted by a ship that looks like it belongs in the supervision army? with the thousands of zentradi fleets out there that have one thing on their mind (kill the supervision army!) do you want to be riding around in something that will provoke the zentradi shoot first shot later and then shot them again instinct?

[RedWolf]

watching SDFM got me thinking. why would UN spacy build more ships identicle to the Macross? i know the design is battle proven for thousands of years but do you really want the hope for humanity's surival being escorted by a ship that looks like it belongs in the supervision army? with the thousands of zentradi fleets out there that have one thing on their mind (kill the supervision army!) do you want to be riding around in something that will provoke the zentradi shoot first shot later and then shot them again instinct?

Supervision gunships are superficially different from the Macross Class and humans are the only ones known to build variable warships. Even the Anti-UN.

Vandal gunship

Hatchet class destroyer

[Phyrox]

Also, remember that the heat of re-entry is due to the shockwave created by such excessive speed in the atmosphere. With all the mobility available to these VFs, I imagine they are quite capable of slowing down to a reasonable speed before entering the upper atmosphere, and thus greatly limit the temperature-related difficulties associated with re-entry.

Edited September 24, 2008 by Phyrox

[azrael]

watching SDFM got me thinking. why would UN spacy build more ships identicle to the Macross? i know the design is battle proven for thousands of years but do you really want the hope for humanity's surival being escorted by a ship that looks like it belongs in the supervision army? with the thousands of zentradi fleets out there that have one thing on their mind (kill the supervision army!) do you want to be riding around in something that will provoke the zentradi shoot first shot later and then shot them again instinct?

The Zentradi would probably shoot you for being in their way anyways....In M7, the fleet stopped the Meltrans and looked what happened...The Macross-design apparently proved viable for short-range and exploration/research missions so why not use the design. It would be almost 20 years till the New-Macross class came which would satisfy the power-house of the Macross-class and be viable for long-range missions like the Megaroads.

[Knight26]

The Zentradi would probably shoot you for being in their way anyways....In M7, the fleet stopped the Meltrans and looked what happened...The Macross-design apparently proved viable for short-range and exploration/research missions so why not use the design. It would be almost 20 years till the New-Macross class came which would satisfy the power-house of the Macross-class and be viable for long-range missions like the Megaroads.

Also remember that the Megaroad was not a Macross class vessel, it was a non-transforming colony ship with numerous escorts. The first few Megaroads probably took the majority of the Zentraedi fleet ships with them, so they probably built new Macross class vessels as escorts due to the familiarity of the design, and the fact that most colonies were probably established by humans who be more comfortable with human based ship designs.

[timmystyle]

So----while a VF-25 engine etc may be tremendously powerful---the thrust number is only good for "soley providing thrust" mode. Which'd rarely be used. More likely, it could use its tremendous amount of power to beef up the armor/shields, and still have "normal VF-19 levels of thrust" remaining. Its speed would be equal to the VF-19, but with far greater defense. So in "typical" use, the numbers would be more like "1200Kn+many megawatts of electricity for armor".

Possibly the VF-27, with even greater power available, uses some of that power to charge the quantum beam cannon.

[azrael]

Possibly the VF-27, with even greater power available, uses some of that power to charge the quantum beam cannon.

Yes, that's also possible.

[Kelsain]

Took one of Graham's scans and cleaned it up a bit...

*Hmm, looks like March already got em up on the M3... ah well.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Kelsain

[Morpheus]

--Raises hand--

Q: Whats the purpose in splitting VF-25 gunpod? Exposing the barrels? VF-27 gunpod is splitting to reveal the beam grenade/particle beam cannon, but VF-25 gunpod AFAIK is not equipped with one.

[sketchley]

Cooling of the barrels?

Because it looks cool?

[d3v]

--Raises hand--

Q: Whats the purpose in splitting VF-25 gunpod? Exposing the barrels? VF-27 gunpod is splitting to reveal the beam grenade/particle beam cannon, but VF-25 gunpod AFAIK is not equipped with one.

It's a throwback to how the VF-1's gunpod stretched out a bit in battroid mode.

[daflip702]

--Raises hand--

Q: Whats the purpose in splitting VF-25 gunpod? Exposing the barrels? VF-27 gunpod is splitting to reveal the beam grenade/particle beam cannon, but VF-25 gunpod AFAIK is not equipped with one.

IMO

technical: to reduce drag in recessed mode.

nonsense: Because transforming gunpods are cooler than transforming Ipods

[daflip702]

hi

VF-1 do not need fuel so no tanks

turbo nuke engine is used

for the 1/48 you do not need to mold anything just buy missiles .. etc from a recent plane kit

Heh? Someone agreeing with me? No hydrogen fuel for me!!!!! And no use for intakes.....WooHoo

[wolfx]

--Raises hand--

Q: Whats the purpose in splitting VF-25 gunpod? Exposing the barrels? VF-27 gunpod is splitting to reveal the beam grenade/particle beam cannon, but VF-25 gunpod AFAIK is not equipped with one.

I'd say improved cooling for gunpod (in space does it matter? )

And possibly allows for change of gattling barrels into beam weapon.

[Morpheus]

Btw, I found there's more info on the VF-25F spec from the model kit instruction manual.

Can someone translate them?

[VF-25 Messiah]

Btw, I found there's more info on the VF-25F spec from the model kit instruction manual.

Can someone translate them?

That's a lot to translate. Think it might just be the back of the box? Anyway looks some general introduction of details on the model as well as some character introductions at the bottom.

Do you have a better resolution scan? Gonna end up hurting my eyes squinting at all those Kanji.

Edited September 25, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah

[Morpheus]

That's a lot to translate. Think it might just be the back of the box? Anyway looks some general introduction of details on the model as well as some character introductions at the bottom.

Do you have a better resolution scan? Gonna end up hurting my eyes squinting at all those Kanji.

lol. you don't need to translate them all, the VF-25 spec on the top right corner should be sufficient. For higher scan I have to get my scanner first, I pull the previous pic from 1999.co.eng site.

[Sulendil Ang]

It's a little bit too small for me to read. Do you have any bigger scan, Morpheus?

EDIT: Ninja'd.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Sulendil Ang

[Morpheus]

Pic from my cell phone, I hope it wouldn't damaged you eyes

[VF-25 Messiah]

lol. you don't need to translate them all, the VF-25 spec on the top right corner should be sufficient. For higher scan I have to get my scanner first, I pull the previous pic from 1999.co.eng site.

I can make out the ones that state length for fighter mode: 18,72 m Height for battroid is 14.53 meters... it weights 8450 kg... Lists the weapons at the bottom. These are all known from that magazine posted earlier right? Anyway, need a better quality scan to be able to really read it.

EDIT: So fuzzy! lol, didn't help much. Uhm. listed weight is for when its empty. Anyway I'm fairly sure this doesn't show anything new. It's the stats from before

Edited September 25, 2008 by VF-25 Messiah

[Morpheus]

I can make out the ones that state length for fighter mode: 18,72 m Height for battroid is 14.53 meters... it weights 8450 kg... Lists the weapons at the bottom. These are all known from that magazine posted earlier right? Anyway, need a better quality scan to be able to really read it.

Hmm, have to wait untill the end of this day for higher quality scan. I need to pick up someone from the airport in 3 hour.

[Sulendil Ang]

Ok, here's a rough translation of the data:

Maiden Flight: 24th June 2057 (???)

Dimension:

Fighter Mode: Length: 18.72m

Wing Span:15.50m (fully extended?)

Height: 4.03m (including main leg?)

Battroid Mode: Height: 14.53m (including the head laser)

Empty Mass: 8475Kg

G limit: 27.5G

Maximum speed: Mach 5.0+ (when at 10000m; on account of the fuselage heat-resistance boundary)

The statistic of the Battroid Mode is different than that listed by Macross Compendium, which listed 15.59m.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Sulendil Ang

[azrael]

Ok, here's a rough translation of the data:

The statistic of the Battroid Mode is different than that listed by Macross Compendium, which listed 15.59m.

The official site lists it as 15.59m. I'd wait for another source to confirm which spec is the final.