Exedol and the other advisor class zentradi clones

[sucker4meltrans]

in SDF Macross exedol had a large poofy purple bowl cut style hair.

in dyrl he had a large floppy brain and a bald head and "gasp" tentecles.

macross 7 exedol is seen again with the giant brain.

macross frontier on galia 4 the advisor zentran is seen with large floppy brain

macross frontier mr. bilrer is large like a commander(bretai) type zentran but part of his head is sort of brainy looking

in both sdf macross and dyrl the female zentradi/meltrandi advisor types seem to look like any other meltran

so why starting at macross 7 did they change the advisor zentrans to the dyrl none canon look?

[Gubaba]

EDIT: Nevermind. Misunderstood the question.

Edited July 20, 2008 by Gubaba

[Hikuro]

so why starting at macross 7 did they change the advisor zentrans to the dyrl none canon look?

I believe, due to popularity, DYRL is the "cannon" of the franchise.

I remember hearing an old story, that Exadore was so impressed with the movie of DYRL (DYRL is a movie based on the events of Space War One, not just a movie to us, but a movie to them) that he is genetically altered to look identicle to the character that represented him in that movie.

But if you do look at it, pure bred Zentraedi in Frontier are indeed very DYRL esque in appearance which furthers the reference that DYRL is cannon and that the TV series has just been casted aside.

[Shun]

There is also the mention that Exedol, for fear of losing his memories, macronized and altered himself physically to ensure that his body is "optimized" to retain information (something like that ). Maybe the Galia 4 advisor also did the same.

In M:Frontier ep 12, we see both the TV and DYRL designs, suggesting that there is variety in year 2059. we don't really know which design/looks was "canon" during SW1. perhaps certain fleets sport certain looks, or there's change in their uniform.

as for SDF:M TV or DYRL differences, IMO the easy way is to treat the TV events as canon but update them with the DYRL designs/looks.

[RedWolf]

Indeed a great sacrifice. As he can't get it on with bridge bunnies who want him despite his size.

His sacrifice will never be forgotten, as malls are named after him with giant panties out of the open. (T_T)

[Morpheus]

Indeed a great sacrifice. As he can't get it on with bridge bunnies who want him despite his size.

His sacrifice will never be forgotten, as malls are named after him with giant panties out of the open. (T_T)

Hey at least he still got tentacles, and many people know that tentacles is 'friendly' with most girls

[JB0]

I believe, due to popularity, DYRL is the "cannon" of the franchise.

Essentially, DYRL is the "visual canon" and the TV series is the "plot canon." If that makes sense.

[wolfx]

There is also the mention that Exedol, for fear of losing his memories, macronized and altered himself physically to ensure that his body is "optimized" to retain information (something like that ). Maybe the Galia 4 advisor also did the same.

In M:Frontier ep 12, we see both the TV and DYRL designs, suggesting that there is variety in year 2059. we don't really know which design/looks was "canon" during SW1. perhaps certain fleets sport certain looks, or there's change in their uniform.

as for SDF:M TV or DYRL differences, IMO the easy way is to treat the TV events as canon but update them with the DYRL designs/looks.

I remembered something similar....that he was being "superstitious" about miclonisation that he feared he will be stupider (due to smaller brain) when miclonised so he preferred to retain his intelligence (big bulbous head) in macro-form.

[VFTF1]

JBO has it right.

DYRL is the visual canon not just in terms of Exedol, but mecha and just about everything else - in fact; notice that in the "flashbacks" to Space War I in Macross: Frontier, you clearly have the DYRL situation - with Hikaru and Roy being captured by Breetai.

But I think there is no way to get around the fact that SDF M TV is the driving plot motor.

I would in fact venture the hypothesis that DYRL would NOT WORK as a dramatic story if not for the amount of emotions that audiences would have had invested in the characters going into the theater.

If I may be forgiven a somewhat crass comparisson (albeit, my nick IS vfTF1...)... Little kids would not be crying in theaters at the death of Optimus Prime in the original Transformers Movie if not for two consecutive seasons which invested heavily in building up that character.

Now, obviously DYRL is a story in its' own right with a lot of character development - but I still contend that as we watch it, we are subconsciously influenced by our previously ingrained emotions regarding the SDF M TV characters...

As for the specific question - well... I guess Exedol's DYRL look lends itself to the Zentrans being alien and, more importantly, being bread.

I guess it's just something we have to accept and pass up.

Personally - I always explain it as follows: Exedol ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE THAT - IN SDF M TV AS WELL.

The difference?

In SDF M TV - he didn't shave his head.

VFTF1

[dreamweaver13]

*this is the song that doesn't end, and it goes on and on my friend...*

for that matter, i share JBO's view on this. simplest explanation which makes sense.

Edited July 20, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[d3v]

As for the specific question - well... I guess Exedol's DYRL look lends itself to the Zentrans being alien and, more importantly, being bread.

What what? You mean to say that the Zentraedi are actually edible and wheat based?

(so does this mean that Ranka is part human/vajra/FAST-pack and now San Francisco Sourdough as well?)

Edited July 21, 2008 by d3v

[Gubaba]

What what? You mean to say that the Zentraedi are actually edible and wheat based?

(so does this mean that Ranka is part human/vajra/FAST-pack and now San Francisco Sourdough as well?)

:lol:

I think she's actually potato bread.

At this point, it's probably easier to make a list of what Ranka isn't than what she is...

[Master Dex]

:lol:

I think she's actually potato bread.

At this point, it's probably easier to make a list of what Ranka isn't than what she is...

I disagree, at this point it seems Ranka is part everything. Is there anything she doesn't have in her bloodline now? Zentran, human, Vajra, Fast pack, bread, and I'll just add this for kick: a dash of Tabasco.

[Radd]

I would in fact venture the hypothesis that DYRL would NOT WORK as a dramatic story if not for the amount of emotions that audiences would have had invested in the characters going into the theater.

...

Now, obviously DYRL is a story in its' own right with a lot of character development - but I still contend that as we watch it, we are subconsciously influenced by our previously ingrained emotions regarding the SDF M TV characters...

I hear things like this a lot, even so far as to hear people say that someone watching just the movie and not the tv series wouldn't understand what was going on...and yet I know a growing number of people who have seen the movie and not the tv series (or before seeing the tv series) and loved it, and who've gone on to be huge fans of Macross.

Sure, there are a lot of nods only fans of the tv series would get (Kamjin, the spies, the giant space tuna), but I'd say that the movie story is rewritten to the extent where it's not required to have seen the tv series to understand and enjoy the movie.

[JB0]

I hear things like this a lot, even so far as to hear people say that someone watching just the movie and not the tv series wouldn't understand what was going on...and yet I know a growing number of people who have seen the movie and not the tv series (or before seeing the tv series) and loved it, and who've gone on to be huge fans of Macross.

Sure, there are a lot of nods only fans of the tv series would get (Kamjin, the spies, the giant space tuna), but I'd say that the movie story is rewritten to the extent where it's not required to have seen the tv series to understand and enjoy the movie.

But do they enjoy it as mecha porn, or as a good story?

/me falls into the "movie requires TV series background" category.

[Radd]

Actually, for the story. One friend of mine in particular came away from it completely loving Minmay, and really big on the Hikaru/Minmay/Misa triangle. Most of my local friends are not very big on mecha shows in general.

I really don't believe that you need the tv series background to enjoy the DYRL story. It seems to me that this point of view comes exclusively from those who did see the tv series before the movie. Does seeing the tv series add something to the movie experience? Certainly. But that doesn't mean it's necessary. The movie story is pretty self-contained, and everything you need to know to enjoy it is addressed over the course of the movie.

[Keith]

I still say http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...st&p=623086

[Radd]

It's fair enough speculation. I do seem to recall someone quoting an interview in which Kawamori stated that the "real" SW1 was somewhere between the two renditions we've seen, and that for the most part (there certainly being exceptions) that it was a combination of the story from the series, and the visuals from the movie. Still, unless someone can point out a confirming Kawamori quote I'm happy to just go along with that explanation. I suspect if Britai ever appeared in Frontier, or another new Macross, then he would look much how he did in the movie, rather than the tv series. Personally, I prefere the DYRL look on pretty much all counts, so I'm fine with that.

[VF-25 Messiah]

I suspect if Britai ever appeared in Frontier, or another new Macross, then he would look much how he did in the movie, rather than the tv series. Personally, I prefere the DYRL look on pretty much all counts, so I'm fine with that.

He did appear, it was one of those quick history flashbacks at the beginning of the earlier episodes. And it was the DYRL look (granted, the scene was like taken from DYRL)

[Radd]

He did appear, it was one of those quick history flashbacks at the beginning of the earlier episodes. And it was the DYRL look (granted, the scene was like taken from DYRL)

Well, ja, I meant if he wandered onto the bridge of Battle 25 with a martini in one hand and a meltran on the other, and said, "Alright, as commander of the UN Spacey I order all NUNS forces to stop sucking ass in combat. Also, promote Machida to Supreme Commodore General of Kicking Ass and Chewing Bubble Gum, and apologize to his squadron that we do not have the supplies to provide them with any bubble gum for this mission."*

*This is actually what occured prior to the battle in episode 14.**

**I may be making that up.

Edited July 21, 2008 by Radd

[Gubaba]

It's fair enough speculation. I do seem to recall someone quoting an interview in which Kawamori stated that the "real" SW1 was somewhere between the two renditions we've seen, and that for the most part (there certainly being exceptions) that it was a combination of the story from the series, and the visuals from the movie. Still, unless someone can point out a confirming Kawamori quote I'm happy to just go along with that explanation. I suspect if Britai ever appeared in Frontier, or another new Macross, then he would look much how he did in the movie, rather than the tv series. Personally, I prefere the DYRL look on pretty much all counts, so I'm fine with that.

IIRC, that quote was from an old issue of Animag from '89 or thereabouts. (I'm pretty sure it's the same interview where he "declines to describe [the VF-4] as transforming," which caused its own Unkillable Macross Fallacy.)

The problem with using it as the answer is that the interview was conducted a few years BEFORE they decided that DYRL was a movie within the series, which makes it somewhat invalid to use for current Macross theorizing.

I'm not sure it's worth all the worry it's caused over the years, though. If a Macross series wants to refer back to Space War I, sometimes they use TV designs, sometimes DYRL designs. As long as it looks cool, who cares which one "happened"?

[Radd]

I don't know that the statement being made that early changes anything, it's still as good as anything for speculation. Though we do have a much more recent piece of Macross to go on, the PS2 video game that might be worth considering.

If I recall correctly, it was to be considered canon, and had both an SDF and a DYRL version of the campaign, and in the SDF version it still used DYRL designs, except the Macross itself was either the tv series design, or the DYRL design with the Daedalus and Prometheus for arms. I never got to try the game myself, am I remembering all that correctly?

I do agree, though, anything we speculate is just that, speculation. It's never really bothered me that much. I usually don't even think about it.

Edited July 21, 2008 by Radd