Do you think we'll get a second season of Macross Frontier?

[RedWolf]

I'm fine with tieing up the Vajra storyline in Frontier.

Though the writers did make an excellent premise that the SDF Macross class went into production.

If this leads interest enough for a next series it would be a nice setting. (Or it maybe escorting a the hardly seen Megaroad class.)

There are still unseen mysteries from the original SDFM such as the Supervision Army.

[DestroidDefender]

With all the material and plots introduced so far in Macross Frontier I 'm having a hard seeing how we'll get closure in just a dozen more episodes.

Frankly I'm enjoying so much I don't want it to end. Whatever happens I hope it's a success and puts Macross back on the map.

[Gubaba]

I'm fine with tieing up the Vajra storyline in Frontier.

Though the writers did make an excellent premise that the SDF Macross class went into production.

If this leads interest enough for a next series it would be a nice setting. (Or it maybe escorting a the hardly seen Megaroad class.)

There are still unseen mysteries from the original SDFM such as the Supervision Army.

Unseen? Well, kind of.

But we already know all about how they started, so there's not much mystery or drama there.

[Kronnang Dunn]

I hope it isn't too early to consider a second season.

Do you think it's gonna happen?

I think we will get a second season, and I hope the storyline involves more Zentradi...

Edited July 13, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[RedWolf]

Unseen? Well, kind of.

But we already know all about how they started, so there's not much mystery or drama there.

Well we don't know what happened to them when the Protodevlin were sent to the slammer.

Technically speaking uncultured Zentradi fleets are still in a state of war with them.

The Protodevlin didn't call their their old Supervision Army back or is it they don't have any sort of control over them anymore?

Much like how the Protoculture lost control of the Zentradi.

Edited July 13, 2008 by RedWolf

[stray]

every year a new macross.

...no?

I like the last nine episodes, but they really make me lose sympathy for Hikaru ("MAKE UP YOUR MIND, DAMMIT!"). I definitely agree that it adds a lot of depth to the series to show the world a year or two later, and makes one realize that nothing was tied up into the neat little bow that episode 27 seemed to promise. Life always goes on, and there are always problems.

I have yet to see LoGH, so maybe it goes 'there', but that kind of epicness is kind of rare, far as I can think of... the only sprawling epic I can even think of that went all out with the aftermath was Children of Dune.

They really did milk the triangle for all it was worth those last few episodes, though...

IIRC, Ishiguro said that the last episodes were his favorites, but Kawamori said they were completely disposable. Funny that the staff would be so divided over them...

I'm not really sure how I feel about that... but at least we got a little bit of an epilogue to Macross 7 in Dynamite 7. Battle 7 getting rebuilt, etc.

Anyway, before I start shouting for OVA's and sequels and 2nd seasons I really wanna see how this season of Frontier ends. There's always the possibility I'll book a flight to japan with torches and pitchforks and be crying for Kawamori-san's head. For now though, come what may, I've got Frontier BR #1 on preorder so if they're waiting on DVD sales to evaluate an extension they've got my money.

[UN Spacy]

...no?

HELL NO.

Please don't whore out my Macross Big West.

[azrael]

Anyway, before I start shouting for OVA's and sequels and 2nd seasons I really wanna see how this season of Frontier ends. There's always the possibility I'll book a flight to japan with torches and pitchforks and be crying for Kawamori-san's head. For now though, come what may, I've got Frontier BR #1 on preorder so if they're waiting on DVD sales to evaluate an extension they've got my money.

I think people should remember that this series still has another 2.5 months to crap all over itself. It may be good now, but you never know when something will go sour.

[Gubaba]

I think people should remember that this series still has another 2.5 months to crap all over itself. It may be good now, but you never know when something will go sour.

Oh come ON, Azrael...what are you smoking? Are you trying to tell me there's such a thing as a good anime with a weak ending? I'll believe it when I see it.

[Valkyrie addict]

ahahah, what about code geass, the ending of first season was a complete mess and what little excitement got left was totally screwed with the reboot of 2nd season

I don't care if frontier ties all the nods with before seriers. all i want is a bit more depth in the protoculture and an epic finale

[Morpheus]

Kawamori will pull Ideon finale to end the Macross franchise and we are forced to convert to****tech. (runs....)

[VFTF1]

I don't see the point of another season just for the sake of continuing the story. Better wait 5 years for a new OVA or a new series.

I like the fact that Macross is not a "commercial enterprise" in the strict strict sense of the word; Transformers, for all its' shortcomings, was actually worsened by Armada/Energon/Unicron - and in a sense the notion that a new show had to be out every year ultimately weakened and destroyed the plotline (say what you want about how frail the G1 plotline was, BW managed to actually make a coherent whole out of it and take things to a higher level)...

I don't want to see Macross rushed. Plus - you have to think that they at least pre-planned the plot here and so I can't see them saying "yikes! we need 12 more episodes on the fly!"

No no...

Also - the toy/model line will not coincide with the series anyways; so whatever - and they can go on and on for years without another season. Look at the Yammies - they are going strong even though DYRL and Macross Plus are long past.

VFTF1

[Westlo]

Random cursing in backdrop. With an entire manga arc finished and never explored (as well as the mangaka's subsequent series largely tanking), why why why isn't this being optioned for a new series? >0(

I would kill for the Revenge arc to be animated

[Radd]

hmm...so the last 9 episodes of SDFM Macross weren't planned?? so I guess Kawamori doesn't like to clear love triangles, if SDFM would have ended in ep 27, we wouldn't have gotten a clear view of who Hikaru ended with, and now I wonder is Misa was originally planned to end up with him

By my understanding the show had it's length cut in either preproduction, or early production due to budget constraints. The final showdown with Bodolza's fleet was then planned for episode 23, which would have been the final episode. Instead, the series did surprisingly well and was extended. The "final battle" was moved to episode 27, and I believe 2 filler episodes made entirely of recycled animation were added as a part of this extension. So, it wasn't just several episodes tacked on post-Bodolza. There was some significant rewriting there.

[whispo]

I agree on some points made here,

like what Azrael said; We don't know if we even wan't a seccond season after this one .. I mean who knows, this series might turn out bad in the end. We're at the halfway mark and even though the first half was in my oppinion EPIC, I'd still like to see the rest before talking about a season 2.

That said, I do hope that this show will go on a bit longer then 25 episodes. While i'm also afraid of the "melking cow effect", I'm sure that a thought like this must have crossed the writers minds aswell. I hope this won't turn out like a "code geass: Lets lengthen the story into a seccond season because it's popular", but that there might already be plans for either a seccond season or ova's/movie(s).

Bah who am I kidding, I just don't wan't the fun to stop so soon. I'm hoping we won't have to wait 5 more years for something as awsome as Frontier to come by (or any other macross series for that matter)

[Master Dex]

I don't see the point of another season just for the sake of continuing the story. Better wait 5 years for a new OVA or a new series.

I like the fact that Macross is not a "commercial enterprise" in the strict strict sense of the word; Transformers, for all its' shortcomings, was actually worsened by Armada/Energon/Unicron - and in a sense the notion that a new show had to be out every year ultimately weakened and destroyed the plotline (say what you want about how frail the G1 plotline was, BW managed to actually make a coherent whole out of it and take things to a higher level)...

I don't want to see Macross rushed. Plus - you have to think that they at least pre-planned the plot here and so I can't see them saying "yikes! we need 12 more episodes on the fly!"

No no...

Also - the toy/model line will not coincide with the series anyways; so whatever - and they can go on and on for years without another season. Look at the Yammies - they are going strong even though DYRL and Macross Plus are long past.

VFTF1

*claps* Good phrasing. Being a huge transformers fan I know what you mean. I kind of see the Unicron Trilogy as a black mark on TF history and would rather forget it. Some like it though, strange. Transformers was hurt due to puting out series all the time that had lackluster plotlines just so there could be a medium to sell the toys. G1 may have not been written any better at first but you are correct everything that expanded upon it made it better and Beast Wars is still my favorite TF series because its storytelling is great. The new show, Animated, is doing very well and is actually good because they have decided to put out a good show with good story telling and it is paying off.

As for Macross it is probably better that there isn't always a Macross something on the air, makes us appriciate it more when we actually have something going on.

[wolfx]

I don't mind a side-story OVA or something but perhaps a 2nd season nahhh....26 seems just enuff to close the vajra arc.

[dreamweaver13]

nah. sadly, i see it now. by the end of the series, you'll love the characters and the story so much, you'd definitely want it to go on. so SK comes up with a one hour special tribute looking back at all of sheryl and ranka's misadventures (played to their music of course), and by the end the frontier (with alto, sheryl and ranka on it), by now a legendary fleet on its own, is given a mission to finally look for the megaroad 1...

... and then the frontier stops communication and disappears in roughly the same area where communications with MR1 ceased.

end of story. wait 25 years for the next great series.

[Valkyrie addict]

nah... after frontier we're going to get a mediocre story OVA with a severe hardcore mecha porn that everyone will love, then a complete nonsense series with monster of the week and a singing idiot followed by some greenpeace tree hugging OVA series to later have another nice little series...

[Macross007]

nah... after frontier we're going to get a mediocre story OVA with a severe hardcore mecha porn that everyone will love, then a complete nonsense series with monster of the week and a singing idiot followed by some greenpeace tree hugging OVA series to later have another nice little series...

And what about Macross Plus and Macross Flashback 2012 ? I'm sure Kawamori will not make the same mistake he did with Macross Zero (For my part, I like M0) if the next Macross work is an OVA.

[Gubaba]

nah... after frontier we're going to get a mediocre story OVA with a severe hardcore mecha porn that everyone will love, then a complete nonsense series with monster of the week and a singing idiot followed by some greenpeace tree hugging OVA series to later have another nice little series...

BEGONE YE HERETIC!

[VFTF1]

I'm sure Kawamori will not make the same mistake he did with Macross Zero

What mistake?

VFTF1

[dreamweaver13]

What mistake?

VFTF1

not getting kanno yoko to do the music. hehe.

[d3v]

Part of me wants a prequel OVA detailing the 117th fleet. We have a basic premise for the plot and even have our primary love triangle for it (Ozma, Leon and Cathy).

[Macross007]

What mistake?

VFTF1

The magic (the VF-0 fold at the end for example) thing that pissed off so many people you know. It did not bother me but others think otherwise.

[d3v]

The magic (the VF-0 fold at the end for example) thing that pissed off so many people you know. It did not bother me but others think otherwise.

It's not that, it's just that it seemed that the VF-0 was emitting was song energy, but the equipment for that wasn't developed until 2045, and Shin wasn't singing anyway.

Edited July 16, 2008 by d3v

[Gubaba]

The magic (the VF-0 fold at the end for example) thing that pissed off so many people you know. It did not bother me but others think otherwise.

I really don't think it was magic...but I lost that battle long ago.

[moncikoma]

i think it will only have 24 ep just as it has already stated...in wiki

[sketchley]

The only "mistake" made with Macross Zero, was that the tone of the story was too dark. Though, I'm certain that half the people who saw the show liked the darker, more adult (not XXX, meaning mature) story telling. I am not talking about Protoculture technology which the average viewer mistakes as magic used to float rocks.

[VF-25 Messiah]

The only "mistake" made with Macross Zero, was that the tone of the story was too dark. Though, I'm certain that half the people who saw the show liked the darker, more adult (not XXX, meaning mature) story telling. I am not talking about Protoculture technology which the average viewer mistakes as magic used to float rocks.

I dunno, I kinda have my qualms with how final episode was handled... mostly, the transition from episode 4 and 5 (was it originally meant to stop at 5?). Tthe whole "then the bad guys suddenly turned up and grabbed the head of the birdman... and stole our women too!" flashback at the start just kinda reeks of production people going "ok, they've pulled the plug on this one, wrap everything up in this episode".

So I would add directing issues to the problems it has... (though, frankly I can't think of any others, really)...didn't mind the rather surreal ending, the "magic" or the "retcons" the show introduced... I do remember liking it less on my first viewing of it, but subsequent ones have left me less confused by what was going on. Now with frontier airing and having tie-ins with it, I'm only likely to like it even more

[Macross007]

I really don't think it was magic...but I lost that battle long ago.

I know, I know. We all know it was Protoculture technology but apparentely many people were just too lazy to read the subs.

Edited July 17, 2008 by Macross007

[Protoculture]

Do you think we'll get a second season of Macross Frontier?, In the end SDF:M got 36 and M7 got 49. Well?

I'm rooting for 30 eps mark!

Seriously though, if Macross Frontier proved to be a great (with viral Nyan-Nyan routine dance hitting worldwide) & instant hit like Macross 7 (thanks to successful J-Pop craze back in 1990s), then all bets are off, it'll be 2nd season for Mac F!

[sharky]

I would love to see another series put out, or even a new movie. If it's a movie it should be a completely new story and not a DYRL style of storytelling. Don't get me wrong I love DYRL, and I'm glad they gave the original storyline an updated and improved look. I was thinking it would be cool to do a sort of Star Trek Voyager style of series or perhaps a non-colonization style of fleet. It could be pure military vessels with a mix of UN Spacy, Zentradi, and Meltrandi ships and mecha. One thing I would like to see is a more in depth look into the workings of a Zentradi or Metrandi fleet. They could travel around as an early scouting group going to different planets and folding from this place to that place getting into adventures and trouble. Again, more like a Star Trek type of series, but with the Macross theme. Or, even a movie that takes the Flashback 2012 ideas and presents it in an actual movie or series. Sort of like the Clone Wars, which starts this Friday by the way. They could go from place to place taking on and converting the remaining Zentran and Metran fleets, and they can show the rebuilding of earth and the UN Spacy fleet.

[DeeBot]

I don't really want a second season, an extension, or whatever.

Some shows benefit from going on, and on, and on... almost by definition, though, these are shows without strong multi-episode plots. Monster of the week, basically, or your standard sitcom.

Macross Frontier clearly seems to be a show with a definite arc. I fully expect the plot to be wrapped up in how many episodes they're doing, although I also expect some mysteries to be left unaddressed. If that's the case, I don't want them to add/remove episodes just to fill air time, or cave into fan demands for more.

For similar reasons, I'm perfectly fine with the Megaroad-1 remaining lost for all time. It really is a, "And they lived happily ever after," sort of ending. I don't think anyone really believes Hikaru/Misa/Minmay were all pointlessly killed off in some sort of horrible, disastrous encounter. After giving them that sort of romantic, off-into-the-sunset send-off, bringing them back would just be incredibly lame.

(That said, the post-27 episodes of SDF:M were some of my favorite. Not just for the love triangle plot, which really bloomed once the war was over, but all the scenes that took place on post-apocalyptic Earth. But if they'd ended it at 27, I think most people would have (correctly) assumed from the final scene in that episode that Hikaru ends up with Misa; I don't think it would have left anything hanging. It's only when we get to 28 that the love triangle suddenly seems unresolved again.)

I don't think there'd be anything wrong with an encore OAV, but it would need to have its own identity. Making a sequel for the sake of making a sequel, just to continue storylines... fans always want the story to go on, but everything has a proper end, a natural time and a place.

Part of what makes Macross special, I think, is the fact that it isn't a continuous series. There are similarities, but each series has its own unique identity. SDF:M, M+, (M2), M7, M0, and now MF... they're all very different, while still sharing a common heritage that is quintessentially Macross. None of these series are retreads, even Frontier, which sorta billed itself as a retread.

[Vinnie]

Oh come ON, Azrael...what are you smoking? Are you trying to tell me there's such a thing as a good anime with a weak ending? I'll believe it when I see it.

Evangelion anyone?

I don't think M0 had a week ending. It just needed an OVA 4.5 to better transition to it. Unfortunately, I think we'll see the same thing happen in Frontier. They're going to take the last 2-3 episodes to do what they should have done in an extra 13.