Macross Frontier Episode 13 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[Gubaba]

I think Dr Mao was a scientist and Brera and Ranka are her creations more than her children

I think Ranka and Brera are actually Rei and Kaworu, rescued from their reality when everybody turned into LCL.

And Dr. mao got possessed by Yui Ikari. Ritsuko planted the seeds decades before when she visited this world under the name "Aries Turner."

[Sumdumgai]

I think gubaba is on to something...

[dreamweaver13]

only managed to watch the whole episode just now, and man, it was AWESOME!! The plot definitely thickens, and the action is bound to fire up for the coming episodes. lots more reveals coming up, and the importance of ranka in the whole scheme of things is starting to build up. episode 14 come on down!!!

a bit late in the day to jump into the thread, but nevertheless, here goes:

1. ok, that partially solves the mystery of WTF-1. so at least one other old-macross design was built. Alto used the words "macross class 4 Global". macross 4? this brings up a whole world of possibilities on the nature of ships/fleets/vessels launched post SW-1. is the retro macross design exclusively for non-colony flets? or was the old macross design battleships really used for all macross-class fleets (post megaroad fleets, but pre-macross 7 design). i don't recall ever seeing the Macross 5 battle in action, so for all i know, the Macross 5 battle and all preceeding batlleships could have been using the old retro design (feel free to call me out on this one if there's dogma to the contrary, though)

2. Just when i finally saw and realized the full extent of grace's "cyborgness" (Gracu-Jumpu!!), she shows me that she isn't as all-knowing as i thought. when she activated the dimension eater, she really thought she was killing the galactic fairy? shows that she didn't know that sheryl took off with michael on his VF25 (thank GOD for that! i love you sheryl!!). ha! you ain't so tough, bit*h. your plan failed!! you can't kill the galactic fairy just like that!

3. grace's plan is rather complex. bring the galactic fairy to frontier coz it will eventually meet up with the vajra. bring the GF to galia 4, where the nest was hiding. leave a trail for the vajra that leads straight to frontier. kill the GF along with the entire planet and heap the blame on the vajra. and this will lead to all-out conflict between humanity and the vajra. as to her purpose for that war, only time will tell. i wouldn't like it, though, if the reason was some kind of arms manufacturing race. (LAI needs more money, thus it needs a war). yuk. macross will turn into a political statement all of a sudden. but with LAI's involvement in all this, i wouldn't count out this possibility.

speaking of LAI... they were building something that destructive??? wow. reaction warheads and main cannons got nothing on the dimension eater. NOTHING!!

4. anyone else get a Macross DYRL vibe from the scene in the nest between alto and ranka? alto getting so close to rescuing ranka. ranka in a closed transparent shell. saying each other's names. ranka like a happy camper about being saved, and then boom, alto gets thrown out by the ship starting to move, ranka along with it. alto (presumably) hitches along with the enemy battleship's fold. throw in a brother with ranka and we would have the scene in the zentran ship between hikaru and minmei... waitaminute, ranka's brother was there somewhere!!

5. that being said... ranka's brother is... gasp! edward eldric??! (well, it sure does look like him... hehe)

5. ranka's mother (hurray maaya sakamoto!!), when asked if the "aimo" came from earth, she replied that it wasn't, but we couldn't hear the rest. a song she picked up from her vajra test subjects, perhaps? or is ranka's family a vajra hybrid? hmmm....

and... just WHAT does ranka have inside her??

6. sheryl rules!! sure this is a ranka episode, but sheryl's short scenes stole a lot of ranka's thunder. the resolve on her face when she promised alto that they would do everything to save ranka and told him to "stop that guy even if it kills you."... . michael said it perfectly: "what a fine woman. i might just fall in love."

7. damn you grace for activating the dimension eater so fast! when brera said "showdown" i was bracing for an all-out alto-brera dogfight of macross plus proportions. damn you for cutting that fight short!!

and while we're at it, damn you for keeping sheryl sick all this time. did you not feel her pain, you cyborg witch??!!

that being said, cyborg grace was effin cool! good thing she isn't dead, but sadly this might have been the last time we'll see her in "grace/businesswoman megane" mode.

8. well, thank god brera actually has a cockpit and flight suit. basara he aint! so him playing the harmonica and sitting down like someone having tea and biscuits is just a mental projection?

9. next episode is all-out mecha battle!! can't wait!

Speculation time:

1. did the 117th research fleet inadvertently cause the war with the vajra by researching the species? if so, is the grace/brera faction there out to clean up the evidence of 117th's mistakes? or to have revenge on the vajra? or on humanity for leaving them behind?

2. is the vajra merely a peaceful species, forced to war by the actions of the 117th fleet or the grace/brera faction? if so, i'm starting to get an "ender's war" vibe here, with the vajra as the formics.

3. ranka will temporarily cease the intense battle between frontier and the vajra fleet from galia 4? by singing aimo? a bit cheesy, but definitely macrossy, so it might be the way the ball rolls. but one thing that's sure from the ep 12 and WTF-1 fiasco, we can never tell which way this is going. and that is the best thing about it.

gad, i love this series!

Edited July 7, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[jenius]

Alright, so i'm rewatching it and trying to make better sense of the subs. Correct me where I'm wrong:

1) After Ranka is taken by the Vajra Brera contacts Grace to tell her of what has happened.

2) Grace says this changes the plan and that capturing Ranka will no longer be absolutely necessary.

3) Grace says that she would still like Ranka captured but if that's impossible Brera should not let it bother him.

4) I believe when Brera protests Grace says something to the effect of "While she was our major objective here, she's still a secondary objective in the grand scheme. Still, if you witness something that confirms our suspicions so much the better but don't go too far out of your way to make that happen." She ends communications with Brera by stating she's going to blow up the whole planet. What's definitely NOT said in this conversation is "what exactly is Brera's number one objective now?" since all we really know is that he's no longer required to kidnap Ranka in the process.

5) She then hops up to gain a vantage point and locates where the Dimension Eater is located on a map (either that or confirms that the Dimension Eater will kill everyone on the planet with its blast radius although at the end of the episode this would seem silly since the blast radius is practically everywhere)

6) Brera shows up in the Vajra hive complex. Since his primary objective no longer involves kdinapping Ranka; he sets about accomplishing the grander plan which I guess we can deduce was for him to cause the Vajra armada to get on the move by pissing the Vajra queen off as he comes in with guns blazing after non-chalantly drifting down. Fortunately for him, an errant shot hits a crystal and everything gets all crazy. It seems like the crystal is something the Vajra queen is really sensitive about and when she's suffering she is able to make Ranka suffer. The how of this all could go lots of ways but then all the crystals start glowing and the Global fires its main cannon. You know what might make more sense? Maybe just the Vajra mothership built into the Global fired a main cannon up and through the Global to free itself so that it could launch.

7) Grace sees the main cannon's burst and smiles saying "It has awoken" which, in context, is an odd word choice. It does make some sense if my conjecture above is right and that Grace just realized that the Vajra would need to blast the Global free if they wanted to take off so the "it" becomes the Vajra armada she would know to be taking off.

Brera is now inexplicably fighting Alto with some dialogue that seems to imply Brera has a personal dislike of Alto, "You don't suit her." Maybe whatever Ranka's fate is, her having a strong love for someone could mess it up. Either that or Brera is just a homicidal prick, figures he might as well kill Alto now since Alto will probably get in the way of his kidnapping her in the future (pretty optimistic since the girl was abducted by the Vajra), or Grace told him at some point killing Alto is another objective.

9) Grace calls her dog Brera off and tells him to go back and "wait for my orders" which seems to imply she'll survive the explosion she's creating in some way.

10) Grace then has an evil monologue which tells us that her killing Sheryl (whom she assumes is in bed) and all these Zentrans will cause a tremendous amount of hate. The Zentrans hurried mayday calls will be "their" guidepost but I'm not sure if the "their" is Frontier or the Vajra. She then wishes Frontier luck so it would seem like she's saying the Vajra are going to somehow follow the mayday calls to the Frontier.

Did I sum it all up right?

[ComicKaze]

I also believe there was a real Grace at one point and she was killed and replaced by this well... Replicant.

Edited July 7, 2008 by ComicKaze

[ComicKaze]

Alright, so i'm rewatching it and trying to make better sense of the subs. Correct me where I'm wrong:

6) Brera shows up in the Vajra hive complex. Since his primary objective no longer involves kdinapping Ranka; he sets about accomplishing the grander plan which I guess we can deduce was for him to cause the Vajra armada to get on the move by pissing the Vajra queen off as he comes in with guns blazing after non-chalantly drifting down. Fortunately for him, an errant shot hits a crystal and everything gets all crazy. It seems like the crystal is something the Vajra queen is really sensitive about and when she's suffering she is able to make Ranka suffer. The how of this all could go lots of ways but then all the crystals start glowing and the Global fires its main cannon. You know what might make more sense? Maybe just the Vajra mothership built into the Global fired a main cannon up and through the Global to free itself so that it could launch.

7) Grace sees the main cannon's burst and smiles saying "It has awoken" which, in context, is an odd word choice. It does make some sense if my conjecture above is right and that Grace just realized that the Vajra would need to blast the Global free if they wanted to take off so the "it" becomes the Vajra armada she would know to be taking off.

Did I sum it all up right?

No, that the pinkish energy was to me, pretty clearly exploding from the crystals or the mother/ranka's suffering (the same pinkish glow from her abdomen, the mother Vajra had energy coursing out of her breached crystals, etc. and was about to explode... and not a main cannon of any sort either tha Vajra ship or the Global's - see how the animation shows the whole Global is enveloped in the pinkish energy glow. It's energy that is going outwards from internally and not a cannon which would either come from the main gun of the Global or from under it which would have vaporized it. Instead the glow comes from the mother Vajra's lair and this causes the Global to crumble later on after the blast.

And seriously, Luca's family really does make some scary stuff. They made the bloody dimension eater thing.

Edited July 7, 2008 by ComicKaze

[jenius]

Yeah, that goes with the:

You know what might make more sense? Maybe just the Vajra mothership built into the Global fired a main cannon up and through the Global to free itself so that it could launch.

line of thinking. I'm glad it wasn't supposed to be the Global's main cannon firing 'cause that'd be strange.

So, does the sleeping Birdman on Galia IV save Alto?? Something has to happen with that BirdMan after all....

[RedWolf]

1. ok, that partially solves the mystery of WTF-1. so at least one other old-macross design was built. Alto used the words "macross class 4 Global". macross 4? this brings up a whole world of possibilities on the nature of ships/fleets/vessels launched post SW-1. is the retro macross design exclusively for non-colony flets? or was the old macross design battleships really used for all macross-class fleets (post megaroad fleets, but pre-macross 7 design). i don't recall ever seeing the Macross 5 battle in action, so for all i know, the Macross 5 battle and all preceeding batlleships could have been using the old retro design (fell free to call me out on this one if there's dogma to the contrary, though)

Macross 5 fleet had 3 New Macross class city ships, 1 Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis Class Stealth Fleet Command Battleship, and Bolognese Zentradi variant Stealth Frigates as escorts.

Macross 5 had more firepower than the Macross 7 fleet but still was wiped out by the Protodevlin.

[Morpheus]

Macross 5 fleet had 3 New Macross class city ships, 1 Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis Class Stealth Fleet Command Battleship, and Bolognese Zentradi variant Stealth Frigates as escorts.

Macross 5 had more firepower than the Macross 7 fleet but still was wiped out by the Protodevlin.

OOT

They were wiped out from orbit while taking a dip in the ocean. They have no chance to retaliate, let alone transforming one of their NMC. Besides......they don't have Basara.....(hitself with brick for actually saying that.....)

[taksraven]

Lunar's out . . .

tanks very much.

[taksraven]

A lot of people are posting speculative posts about the rest of the series now. Halfway blues I guess. The interesting speculation is that the Vajra could be a benevolent or peaceful species. I guess that is possible if they have an original purely organic form, but the biomechanical mecha they use would seem to indicate a species well equipped for a major conflict. Face it, they are deadly.

I guess the Vajra queen itself that we saw in the last episode seemed to be unarmed, but it had lots of minions to do the fighting for it.

If the Vajra are an originally peaceful species that have been corrupted, I think we will find that it was by the Protoculture rather than by humans. (Don't forget the spirals) Maybe they were a precursor to the original Zentradi.

Taksraven

[Master Dex]

A lot of people are posting speculative posts about the rest of the series now. Halfway blues I guess. The interesting speculation is that the Vajra could be a benevolent or peaceful species. I guess that is possible if they have an original purely organic form, but the biomechanical mecha they use would seem to indicate a species well equipped for a major conflict. Face it, they are deadly.

I guess the Vajra queen itself that we saw in the last episode seemed to be unarmed, but it had lots of minions to do the fighting for it.

If the Vajra are an originally peaceful species that have been corrupted, I think we will find that it was by the Protoculture rather than by humans. (Don't forget the spirals) Maybe they were a precursor to the original Zentradi.

Taksraven

Agreed that the Vajra are not created by humans because of the spirals but humans could have something to do with why the Vajra are attacking Frontier and all of that. I think the 117th found the Vajra in some form and subjected them to experiments that may have angered them.

[Kronnang Dunn]

I guess that is possible if they have an original purely organic form, but the biomechanical mecha they use would seem to indicate a species well equipped for a major conflict.

¿? I thought it must be clear by now that the Hostile Vajra are genetically engineered alien bugs. The Queen Vajra is the one commanding them... They don't use biomechanical mecha... they are biomechanical mecha...

If the Vajra are an originally peaceful species that have been corrupted, I think we will find that it was by the Protoculture rather than by humans. (Don't forget the spirals) Maybe they were a precursor to the original Zentradi.

Actually the spirals come from the Birdman's blood, which Dr. Mao Nome had... And according to the Macross Official Chronology in the Macross Compendium the Birdman arrived on Earth many many years after the Zentradi had been already created to consolidate the Protoculture Stellar Republic...

Edited July 7, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Morpheus]

¿? I thought it must be clear by now that the Vajra are alien bugs. The Queen Vajra is the one commanding them... They don't use biomechanical mecha... they are biomechanical mecha...

I doubt that Vajra are natural alien bugs.

That's what happened when a facehugger impregnated a Valkyrie, a Vajra

[Kronnang Dunn]

I doubt that Vajra are natural alien bugs.

That's what happened when a facehugger impregnated a Valkyrie, a Vajra

Of course they aren't natural alien bugs. They were engineered to be the ultimate bioweapon by NUNS.

The official site describes the Hostile Vajra as being a mixture of different species.

Actually by what has been seen so far is very probable that their final hostile form was created at the 117th fleet by mixing at least 2 different types of D.N.A.:

1) Birdman/Dr. Mao Nome genes (Spirals, Folding, Weaponry, Energy Converting Armor).

2) Original Harmless Vajra genes (Reproduction Process and basic Phenotype).

Edited July 7, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[taksraven]

¿? I thought it must be clear by now that the Vajra are alien bugs. The Queen Vajra is the one commanding them... They don't use biomechanical mecha... they are biomechanical mecha...

No, I think it will transpire that "natural" Vajra are not necessarily biomechanical. If Ranka's pet and the other thing we saw on the alien planet are anything to go by. Don't forget, the biomechanical Vajra are supposed to be quite brainless.

Taksraven

[Kronnang Dunn]

No, I think it will transpire that "natural" Vajra are not necessarily biomechanical. If Ranka's pet and the other thing we saw on the alien planet are anything to go by. Don't forget, the biomechanical Vajra are supposed to be quite brainless.

Taksraven

I was refering to the Engineered Hostile Vajra Form...

Ranka's pet is probably the original harmless Vajra variant or another harmless experiment on the Vajra genes. Hell, Ranka herself could have also Vajra genes for all I know...

I guess the Vajra queen itself that we saw in the last episode seemed to be unarmed, but it had lots of minions to do the fighting for it.

The Queen Vajra's anthennae looked like 2 BFGs to me... And after the events shown in Episode 13 it must be quite obvious by now that she is the one controlling the brainless ones... and sending them into battle...

Edited July 7, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[HMP_Goose]

Of course they aren't natural alien bugs. They were engineered to be the ultimate bioweapon by NUNS.

The official site describes the Hostile Vajra as being a mixture of different species.

Actually by what has been seen so far is very probable that their final hostile form was created at the 117th fleet by mixing at least 2 different types of D.N.A.:

1) Birdman/Dr. Mao Nome genes (Spirals, Folding, Weaponry, Energy Converting Armor).

2) Original Harmless Vajra genes (Reproduction Process and basic Phenotype).

Yeah, about that: Where did their warships come from?

Edited July 7, 2008 by HMP_Goose

[Keith]

Theory, maybe Mao is the Queen Vajra? Maybe the purpose of the 117th fleet was to re-engineer Protoculture through the blood of their direct decendants, and due to having her blood mixed with the AFOS, they accidentally created the Vajra. Perhaps Ranka went through an incomplete transformation, which is why her belly glows, and why she felt the pain of the attack on the hive.

Just seems odd that when specifically in the Vajra's prssence, Mao Ranka had memories of her mother, and asked about the origins of Aimo. If that does turn out to be the case, then that would still leave the Shin/Sara issue for a later series/OVA/movie. Unless they pop up ofr soem reason at the crux of this. The Queen Vajra clearly didn't want to hurt Mao, it captured her, and put her in the protective bubble to prevent Alto from snagging her.

You watch, the end of this series will involve the Vajra evolving into a more human like species.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Keith

[d3v]

Theory, maybe Mao is the Queen Vajra? Maybe the purpose of the 117th fleet was to re-engineer Protoculture through the blood of their direct decendants, and due to having her blood mixed with the AFOS, they accidentally created the Vajra. Perhaps Ranka went through an incomplete transformation, which is why her belly glows, and why she felt the pain of the attack on the hive.

Just seems odd that when specifically in the Vajra's prssence, Mao had memories of her mother, and asked about the origins of Aimo. If that does turn out to be the case, then that would still leave the Shin/Sara issue for a later series/OVA/movie. Unless they pop up ofr soem reason at the crux of this. The Queen Vajra clearly didn't want to hurt Mao, it captured her, and put her in the protective bubble to prevent Alto from snagging her.

You watch, the end of this series will involve the Vajra evolving into a more human like species.

When was Mao ever shown in the Vajra's presence? Also, I thought that their inner beauty men would simply break out of their lobster shells?

[Keith]

Also regarding Grace, I don't think there ever was anyone who was replaced, I think she intentionally raised/groomed Sheryl to fill the role that Ranka appeared & stole/took. Think about it, Sheryl was an orphan, then reappears as the Galactic Fiary Sheryl "Nome." Likely Grace was somehow involved with what happened to the 117, lost track of Ranka, and then came up with a backup (Sheryl) in her stead. For all we know, Sheryl's mother didn't leave her those earrings at all, it may have been Grace that stuck her with them as bait. Though by appearances, Sheryl didn't have enough, for lack of better terms, "spiritia" to activate them as bait.

[Keith]

When was Mao ever shown in the Vajra's presence? Also, I thought that their inner beauty men would simply break out of their lobster shells?

Oops, meant Ranka, it's now been corrected.

[Kronnang Dunn]

Yeah, about that: Where did their warships come from?

Other Vajra. It seems to me each Vajra type is just a specialized version of the same species. In fact, the Vajra carrier's shape is a lot like the Red Large Vajra's head. Their Mothership could be the same too... or even an extension of the Queen...

[Major Focker]

I'm gonna hit the breaks and he'll fly right by.

Too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns.

haha

sorry, OT. just gotta say, i love your avatar

[Zinjo]

Of course they aren't natural alien bugs. They were engineered to be the ultimate bioweapon by NUNS.

The official site describes the Hostile Vajra as being a mixture of different species.

Actually by what has been seen so far is very probable that their final hostile form was created at the 117th fleet by mixing at least 2 different types of D.N.A.:

1) Birdman/Dr. Mao Nome genes (Spirals, Folding, Weaponry, Energy Converting Armor).

2) Original Harmless Vajra genes (Reproduction Process and basic Phenotype).

NUNS doesn't have the technological savvy to engineer any bio-weaponry. It is possible that the Vajra are what the PC created to protect themselves after the breakdown in command and control with the Zentreadi. The Vajra warships are far too advanced and appear to be bio-mechanical in nature, far beyond human tech.

It is possible that they were dormant when the research fleet came across them and somehow activated them inadvertantly on Galia IV. Hence the Global being "parked" on the planet over the underwater "base".

The Global may not have crash landed, but rather was wrecked during the battle when they woke the Vajra and Ranka's family died as the survivors attempted to escape. I suspect Ozma knows more about what happened there than he has thus far let on.

Also regarding Grace, I don't think there ever was anyone who was replaced, I think she intentionally raised/groomed Sheryl to fill the role that Ranka appeared & stole/took. Think about it, Sheryl was an orphan, then reappears as the Galactic Fiary Sheryl "Nome." Likely Grace was somehow involved with what happened to the 117, lost track of Ranka, and then came up with a backup (Sheryl) in her stead. For all we know, Sheryl's mother didn't leave her those earrings at all, it may have been Grace that stuck her with them as bait. Though by appearances, Sheryl didn't have enough, for lack of better terms, "spiritia" to activate them as bait.

I don't know about them evolving into a more human like species, but I suspect that Ranka was experimented on, along the lines of gene splicing and probably implantation of crystals in her abdomen (its equally possible that she is a clone of her grandmother Mao).

The Sheryl theory seems like a pretty strong one. She doesn't know who her parents were (possibly a clone (maybe from Nome blood)) and then they gave her a name that strongly relates her to the Nome family line. Maybe they were grooming Sheryl to recreate the Basara phenomenon for some reason.

What her ultimate role in relation to the Vajra was to become is still unkown, but as soon as Ranka appeared, it seems Sheryl became "expendible".

This episode strongly implies that Galaxy/Eden/Brella were involved with the Research mission and that at the very least they were tampering with the Vajra in some way, which ultimately went sideways.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Zinjo

[RedWolf]

NUNS doesn't have the technological savvy to engineer any bio-weaponry. It is possible that the Vajra are what the PC created to protect themselves after the breakdown in command and control with the Zentreadi. The Vajra warships are far too advanced and appear to be bio-mechanical in nature, far beyond human tech.

Unless you count the Macross M3 Sega Dreamcast game.

Max, Miria and their adopted daughter Moaramia were sent to New Asia to blow up some UN Spacy biological weapon bugs gone amok.

New Asia used to be Protoculture world.

So the tech was still pretty much Protoculture. (Idiot UN Spacy if read "Warning Protoculture Bio Weapons Site" don't even think you can control it. It is better to leave it alone. Same thing happened with the Protodevlin.)

[Zinjo]

Unless you count the Macross M3 Sega Dreamcast game.

Max, Miria and their adopted daughter Moaramia were sent to New Asia to blow up some UN Spacy biological weapon bugs gone amok.

New Asia used to be Protoculture world.

So the tech was still pretty much Protoculture. (Idiot UN Spacy if read "Warning Protoculture Bio Weapons Site" don't even think you can control it. It is better to leave it alone. Same thing happened with the Protodevlin.)

How do you account for the mothership and their cap ships? Very advanced for a reverse engineered product. If THAT much tech was able to be reproduced then why wasn't it incorporated more by the 2050's?

The M3 argument you made also supports the idea that the Vajra are more a PC creation than human. Bugs would be relatively easy to reproduce, but the advanced weaponry the Vajra have tends to imply a much more advanced tech is at work here.

What you propose is not impossible, but lately SK's themes tend to lean toward revealing more about the PC enigma rather than not. That is why I have a proclivity to expect they are somehow related to the PC legacy.

[s001]

Theory, maybe Mao is the Queen Vajra? Maybe the purpose of the 117th fleet was to re-engineer Protoculture through the blood of their direct decendants, and due to having her blood mixed with the AFOS, they accidentally created the Vajra. Perhaps Ranka went through an incomplete transformation, which is why her belly glows, and why she felt the pain of the attack on the hive.

Just seems odd that when specifically in the Vajra's prssence, Mao Ranka had memories of her mother, and asked about the origins of Aimo. If that does turn out to be the case, then that would still leave the Shin/Sara issue for a later series/OVA/movie. Unless they pop up ofr soem reason at the crux of this. The Queen Vajra clearly didn't want to hurt Mao, it captured her, and put her in the protective bubble to prevent Alto from snagging her.

You watch, the end of this series will involve the Vajra evolving into a more human like species.

That would be as lame as it sounds.

[RedWolf]

That would be as lame as it sounds.

How bout Space Whale ending?

[d3v]

How bout Space Whale ending?

Only if it involves anima spiritia.

[wolfx]

After watching the subs, i have a theory that Grace is trying to incite a war amongst the human/zents and the Vajra. The Vajra may probably under normal circumstances won't attack humans. Does the green thing or the crab-thing look like it could hurt humans? The Dimension Eater was to aggro the vajra and at the same time wipe out the 33rd so both the vajra and humans will think the other side was responsible. With war, LAI profits?

i dunnno.

[Master Dex]

After watching the subs, i have a theory that Grace is trying to incite a war amongst the human/zents and the Vajra. The Vajra may probably under normal circumstances won't attack humans. Does the green thing or the crab-thing look like it could hurt humans? The Dimension Eater was to aggro the vajra and at the same time wipe out the 33rd so both the vajra and humans will think the other side was responsible. With war, LAI profits?

i dunnno.

I've been saying that is what my theory is. I agree completely that Grace set this up to "spread the hate" between NUNS and the Vajra in order for war. Also considering LAI gives technology to SMS and to Grace's faction it does seem even more likely they are going for war profits indeed. Luca won't be very happy with his family soon.

[Lethalzero]

but it was said that vajra have too little brain to act alone.. Episode 4 i think.

That it was controlled by an external something/someone.

btw im new here..hello all

[Master Dex]

but it was said that vajra have too little brain to act alone.. Episode 4 i think.

That it was controlled by an external something/someone.

btw im new here..hello all

An external something like that queen Vajra we just met methinks.

[NoNameSt11]

but it was said that vajra have too little brain to act alone.. Episode 4 i think.

That it was controlled by an external something/someone.

btw im new here..hello all

The red and yellow ones don't have a 'brain'. They're more like worker ants, suggesting that there's a Queen in existence making orders.