VF5SS Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 Prove it isn't possible... Are you asking me to prove a negative? Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Are you asking me to prove a negative? Yep and the positive if you will... You took algebra right... Edited July 3, 2008 by Zinjo Quote
aerocombatpilot Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 or the big-bad SDF-1 will see the macross quarter and exclaim, "now what is this little mofo here, doing all these acrobatic sh*t and stuff?? be gone, lil macross wannabe!". and then bitchslaps the quarter to oblivion with her Daedelus/ARMD. Now that really would be the bomb!! Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Yep and the positive if you will... I'm surprised that the notion posted by a few here hasn't received more love. That being, that there is no Macross in front of them at all. That they are looking at an induced hallucination put there by the green creature in the water... It is as valid a proposition as any other in this thread. Ranka did have a flashed vision, right after the two of them crashed, of the image of the ship they eventually saw. It would be the easiest way for Kawamori to shift the argument sideways instead of answering either camp's question. Edited July 3, 2008 by Zinjo Quote
Sumdumgai Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 All zinjo and I are arguing is a possibility. We're not saying that we believe that the WTF-1 is absolutely a Macross Class vessel and cannot be the SDF-1 Macross at all. I have not read one convincing argument as to why it would not be possible. I've read arguments that put forth other unsupportable theories as facts (not enough resources). I don't get why some people are getting bent out of shape over this theory. There's a lot of blank space in the Macross timeline, particularly between Macross Flashback 2012 and Macross Plus, and from Macross 7 to Macross Frontier. I think we'll have some of that history filled in in episode 13. Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 All zinjo and I are arguing is a possibility. We're not saying that we believe that the WTF-1 is absolutely a Macross Class vessel and cannot be the SDF-1 Macross at all. I have not read one convincing argument as to why it would not be possible. I've read arguments that put forth other unsupportable theories as facts (not enough resources). I don't get why some people are getting bent out of shape over this theory. There's a lot of blank space in the Macross timeline, particularly between Macross Flashback 2012 and Macross Plus, and from Macross 7 to Macross Frontier. I think we'll have some of that history filled in in episode 13. My name is Zinjo, and I support this message. Quote
dreamweaver13 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 ROFL. Now enter Kawamori and he tilts everything sideways... Memory of Global: Global: "well, you see, in my absolutely crappy alternate universe, my SDF-1 got blown up and i got killed along with my bridge bunnies. yeah, silly, isn't it? I simply can't accept that so i folded away from that universe and into this one. well, would have liked to defold on earth, but i guess this will do. Oh, by the way, who's this Bruno person? just call me Henry." *cue RT background music* kawamori: so in that sense, it's the SDF-1... but it isn't the SDF-1. chew on that suckas! Quote
Duke Togo Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Feel free to prove it, conclusively without resorting to speculation. 25 years on animation, manga, and video games covering 70 years of a fictional universe, including tomorrow's episode. Quote
Duke Togo Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Memory of Global: What if its a filler episode, like Global's Report? Quote
dreamweaver13 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 What if its a filler episode, like Global's Report? or what if... Global suddenly comes absolutely out of nowhere to explain things. it's starting to sound like a Get to Know Nadesico segment. ich-ni-san-kampai!! welcome to global's get-to-know-Macross!! bakground: ranka in a bunny suit, sheryl in her beret outfit, and alto cross dressing. Quote
Gubaba Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Y'know, there's absolutely no way ep. 13 can live up to the build-up we've given it over the past week... Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 25 years on animation, manga, and video games covering 70 years of a fictional universe, including tomorrow's episode. Hmmm, that is relevant to what? Sorry not seeing any sort of correlation to what has been asked. But thank you for contributing anyway... Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 Y'know, there's absolutely no way ep. 13 can live up to the build-up we've given it over the past week... Too true! I am hopeful anyway... Quote
Duke Togo Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 or what if... Global suddenly comes absolutely out of nowhere to explain things. it's starting to sound like a Get to Know Nadesico segment. ich-ni-san-kampai!! welcome to global's get-to-know-Macross!! bakground: ranka in a bunny suit, sheryl in her beret outfit, and alto cross dressing. I prefer Gunbuster's Science Lessons. Quote
wolfx Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 What if its a filler episode, like Global's Report? I will hate u if its true. Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 Memory of Global: Global: "well, you see, in my absolutely crappy alternate universe, my SDF-1 got blown up and i got killed along with my bridge bunnies. yeah, silly, isn't it? I simply can't accept that so i folded away from that universe and into this one. well, would have liked to defold on earth, but i guess this will do. Oh, by the way, who's this Bruno person? just call me Henry." *cue RT background music* kawamori: so in that sense, it's the SDF-1... but it isn't the SDF-1. chew on that suckas! That is so wrong on every level,,, Quote
Master Dex Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 That is so wrong on every level,,, But it is so Kawamori.... Quote
Morpheus Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 What if its a filler episode, like Global's Report? You mean MF episode will be extended to 26+? Quote
Zinjo Posted July 3, 2008 Author Posted July 3, 2008 But it is so Kawamori.... Only when he's cheeky... Quote
Morpheus Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 13 hours until we can get some explanation. I hope they give some brief history about WTF-1 and NUNS formation in epi.13. Quote
Xeros Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 13 hours until we can get some explanation. I hope they give some brief history about WTF-1 and NUNS formation in epi.13. 13 hours until the "I told you so" Festival Quote
JB0 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Exactly how is a convoluted and unsupported claim that there are suddenly mutliple ships that look like the Macross "the simplist answer." The simplist answer is that the damn thing is the Macross. As for fold drives, what the hell do you think they did durring the refit? Do you honestly mean to tell me you'd believe that multiple look alike ships (with fold drives) being built are more likely than "1" new fold drive being built? come on! Why would they put fold drives in a ship explicitly assigned to defend EARTH? When they were building massive colony fleets where any fold drives produced would be more useful? There were pretty clear reasons to refit the poor thing. Like the fact that there was a big chunk ripped out of it. And how is multiple Macrosses convoluted? Humanity had an effective, war-tested warship. They needed warships to escort their colony ships. It's VERY simple logic. Yes, I know... there's no documentation that more than 1 was built. But there's no documentation that the original fold drives were ever replaced either. And there IS documentation that the Macross is STILL ON EARTH. The best argument against there being other Macrosses is actually the fact that the design is a lot bigger than anyone but full-scale zentradi needed. Not that there's no documented builds. If they built a series to spec with the original post-refit, it's got a LOT of empty space that they aren't using, and excess mass. It's a bigger target and harder to move, but there's no gain. And they learned in Space War 1 that a dual-purpose combat/civilian ship sucks for the civilians(according tot he Compendium, they lost 18,000 civilians out of 58,000 during SW1). No prior documentation is a weak argument. I seem to recall it being used to prove that the VF-1 had to appear in Macross Zero, since it was going to be a prequel and there weren't any other variable fighters in that time frame. I think we all know how THAT turned out. Right now, the existing canon states that Alto and Ranka did not see what they saw. There's no evidence to support ANY other stance on the issue. The one that best fits what we know(alien intervention, Alto and Ranka see Macross, the only Macross is on Earth), is that they're both experiencing an alien-induced hallucination. Which, if it happens that way, most likely means history lesson time. If it's the Macross, they need a hell of a story to get it there. If it's a real ship, but not the Macross... it takes a smaller story. With some individuals would would be dead on... I think it all started with the whole fanboy forum battles between the ATI vs Nvidia camps... happy.gif Then it evolved into the PS3 vs Xbox360 and into the Bluray vs HDDVD by extension. You forgot the Atari VS Intellivision. And SNES VS Genesis, Apple 2 VS IBM PC, Commodore 64 VS Atari 800, VHS VS Betamax, etc. People will argue over anything, no matter what. The internet's just made it easier to be an apeface about it, since no one's gonna punch you in the face. or the big-bad SDF-1 will see the macross quarter and exclaim, "now what is this little mofo here, doing all these acrobatic sh*t and stuff?? be gone, lil macross wannabe!". and then bitchslaps the quarter to oblivion with her Daedelus/ARMD. laugh.gif YES! Edited July 3, 2008 by JB0 Quote
Gubaba Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 You all know what's going to happen...the episode will open with Alto and Ranka looking at the WTF-1. Alto: "I know why it's here! It's because--" Announcer Voice: "We interrupt this program to bring you 25 full minutes of the Ranka Nyan Nyan Dance." ~25 gorgeous, delicious, and deculture minutes later~ Announcer Voice: "We now return you to 'Macross Frontier,' already in progress." Ranka: "Boy, I'm sure glad we solved the mystery of the Macross. Let's go home." Alto: "And remember, we must NEVER speak of this again." THE END. Quote
Valkyrie addict Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 nah...we're gonna get Macross Zero'd and the episode will begin with Alto and Ranka back on Frontier and a 10 sec flashback of how it was just an hallucinations from Ranka and Alto from a concussion due to his VF crashing...and Kawamori will yell... PSYCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MADE YOU ALL YOU MACROSS NERDS BUST YOUR HEADS FOR A WEEK AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!! HAHAHA!! Quote
Renato Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) This is true, I wouldn't put it past Kawamori to skim over the whole thing in the first thirty seconds just so he could have more "phhwoar, high school cleavage, baby, yeah!!" shots for the remainder of the show. Seriously, that Macross Zero episode 4 ending demanded a MUCH more thought out follow-up than what we got in ep 5, it damn near ruined an already flawed series and I really hope he's not planning to pull that crap again. Most of it wasn't even actually animated, they were just pan shots! Edited July 3, 2008 by Renato Quote
Master Dex Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 You all know what's going to happen...the episode will open with Alto and Ranka looking at the WTF-1. Alto: "I know why it's here! It's because--" Announcer Voice: "We interrupt this program to bring you 25 full minutes of the Ranka Nyan Nyan Dance." ~25 gorgeous, delicious, and deculture minutes later~ Announcer Voice: "We now return you to 'Macross Frontier,' already in progress." Ranka: "Boy, I'm sure glad we solved the mystery of the Macross. Let's go home." Alto: "And remember, we must NEVER speak of this again." THE END. ROFL!!! Quote
JValk Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 I'm just sad it's not the old school TV Macross, which I still think of as the REAL Macross. C'mon, daedalus attack! Quote
grss1982 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) or the big-bad SDF-1 will see the macross quarter and exclaim, "now what is this little mofo here, doing all these acrobatic sh*t and stuff?? be gone, lil macross wannabe!". and then bitchslaps the quarter to oblivion with her Daedelus/ARMD. ROFL The SDF-1 should also say after doinf the Daedelus Manuver: pwn3d!! Edited July 3, 2008 by grss1982 Quote
dreamweaver13 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 nah...we're gonna get Macross Zero'd and the episode will begin with Alto and Ranka back on Frontier and a 10 sec flashback of how it was just an hallucinations from Ranka and Alto from a concussion due to his VF crashing...and Kawamori will yell... PSYCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MADE YOU ALL YOU MACROSS NERDS BUST YOUR HEADS FOR A WEEK AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!! HAHAHA!! kind of like what those bastards at BSG did when 3 told Roslin that she was the final cylon. all BSG nerds collectively shrieked WTF and I KNEW IT only to get a"wow, you should have seen the look on your face..." Quote
dreamweaver13 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 You all know what's going to happen...the episode will open with Alto and Ranka looking at the WTF-1. Alto: "I know why it's here! It's because--" Announcer Voice: "We interrupt this program to bring you 25 full minutes of the Ranka Nyan Nyan Dance." ~25 gorgeous, delicious, and deculture minutes later~ Announcer Voice: "We now return you to 'Macross Frontier,' already in progress." Ranka: "Boy, I'm sure glad we solved the mystery of the Macross. Let's go home." Alto: "And remember, we must NEVER speak of this again." THE END. dear god, no!! i recall some movie or TV show did something exactly like this as an inside joke. just can't remember what. Quote
Gubaba Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 dear god, no!! i recall some movie or TV show did something exactly like this as an inside joke. just can't remember what. South Park...where the search for Cartman's father was replaced by Terrance and Philip in "Not Without My Anus." Quote
Keith Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 25 years on animation, manga, and video games covering 70 years of a fictional universe, including tomorrow's episode. Apparently that's all crazy talk in the face of near fanfic speculation levels Quote
DestroidDefender Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Apparently that's all crazy talk in the face of near fanfic speculation levels Crazy talk? How about this to explain how the SDF-1 gets from Earth to Galleria 4 in the short time since Mac+... Mac+ never happened. Like MacII it was "all a dream". Quote
Duke Togo Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Crazy talk? How about this to explain how the SDF-1 gets from Earth to Galleria 4 in the short time since Mac+... Mac+ never happened. Like MacII it was "all a dream". Macross Plus happened 19 years before Frontier takes place, which is several years prior to the launching of the Frontier itself. I mean geez, did you guys all just come off the Robotech bus, or what? Quote
Gubaba Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Peace, Duke. This thread will soon vanish in a puff of very embarrassed smoke... Quote
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