WTF-1 Discsussion Thread

[Master Dex]

exactly! i also heard the dialogue in that episode, and i know what it implied. but my first thought was "yeah right. no one knew that the ship was capable of transforming into a robot.... suuuure."

it's like the engineer was messing around with global's head that time, and he was supressing his laughter the whole time. and after global left, he told his co-engineers, "what a sucker! he actually believed that crap! as if we could transform an entire frickin ship just by chance???" And that point, the entire engineering crew fell to the floor laughing their asses out.

I can easily imagine that happening. Global is gullible.

[Major Focker]

That was brought up in the show if you watch the first episode where it transforms. Global said they didn't have any spare conduit to connect the two pieces to transfer power to the gun. The only option the engineer had for him was to move the blocks together so the could be connected, and the only way to do this was to reorganize the block structure of the ship. I also always got that vibe that the fact it looked like a humanoid was mere coincidence and they didn't intend that. However I can see how that sounds fishy.

the fishy part is that the blocks conveniently had the gears and mechanisms to be movable at all, as if the redesign had the foresight to build in some modularity. one would think that battleships would be designed to be rock solid, with nearly all the major parts bolted down, permanently.

[Master Dex]

the fishy part is that the blocks conveniently had the gears and mechanisms to be movable at all, as if the redesign had the foresight to build in some modularity. one would think that battleships would be designed to be rock solid, with nearly all the major parts bolted down, permanently.

Then it is obvious! I have figured it out!

Plot device.

[Master Dex]

Blueprint of cruiser mode it seems

It's a fan created image but I though I'd post it because it looks really nice. No attacker mode pics though.

[dreamweaver13]

Plot device.

oh no you don't! you can't cop out on this one just like that, mr. engineer!

[Keith]

Ah yes Keith the ever present, "run away" when you are beaten. I remember it well...

I have proven there is reasonable doubt which is all that can be proven given the available official information for either position on the question and in that I succeeded well. Anything else are circular arguments based on a "logical fallacy", that either position can be proven or disproven without specific information that directly involves the questions presented.

You may try to dismiss the doubt and throw back handed comments about all you like, but the results of my point still remain...

What Thursday will bring will be fun to watch, either way the pendulum swings, I too look forward to seeing what Kawamori has in store for us.

Egging will get you nowhere, you never found Waldo.

As for the Macross's transformation, its 1 part accident, 1 part necessity (power), & 1 part Overtech. Protoculture technology, amongst many other things, allows a ship to seal off damn near any hole that may get punched in it, that's part of the modular nature. The engineers just exploided that ability to transofrm t he ships configuration, rather than use it as a repair ability. Either that, or there was a Chiba-esque eingineer on the reconstruction staff who loved super robots!

Edited July 2, 2008 by Keith

[Master Dex]

oh no you don't! you can't cop out on this one just like that, mr. engineer!

You have a point there, but I wasn't exactly giving up, I just don't have any more rational at the moment.

[lord_breetai]

exactly! i also heard the dialogue in that episode, and i know what it implied. but my first thought was "yeah right. no one knew that the ship was capable of transforming into a robot.... suuuure."

it's like the engineer was messing around with global's head that time, and he was supressing his laughter the whole time. and after global left, he told his co-engineers, "what a sucker! he actually believed that crap! as if we could transform an entire frickin ship just by chance???" And that point, the entire engineering crew fell to the floor laughing their asses out.

I think the whole point about it being an "accident" was to point out how stupid the idea was in the first place. That's why all the Zentraedi were like, "why did they do that? It doesn't provide them with any advantages and would make such and such system useless"

The Modular tech was probably meant to swap out damaged components really fast in a crunch, but no one expected components to just go off on their own little adventure.

[dreamweaver13]

Either that, or there was a Chiba-esque eingineer on the reconstruction staff who loved super robots!

i'm going for this one as the most plausible answer.

[Kronnang Dunn]

OK, I think you may be confusing my premise here. I am suggesting the possibility that SDF class warships were attached to the Megaroad colony fleets, not replacing the Megaroad colony vessels themselves.

To clarify, an SD cannon's energy demands are supplied by a Super Dimension, the same area the ship travels through during a fold and the home environment of the PD entities that possessed the EVIL series bio-weapons created by the PC in PC 2871, many millenia before. It does not get its power to fire from conventional means and the later SD cannons use the same kind of powering systems discovered aboard the ASS / Macross.

Your "lack of resource" argument really doesn't stand up to physical facts that the Sol Solar system has ample supply of raw materials to construct many fleets for a substantial number of years (even a substantial number of decades) before any need is required to procure resources from other colonized systems.

To assert that the only reason SDF ships could not be built is because of a lack of resources is really not well supported by the physical reality of our solar system.

Like I said, time was the key factor here. All those resources would have taken time to be harvested. So, in the meantime and with the available resources Megaroad ships were built and launched instead at a rate of 1 or 2 every year (after 2012). No more SDFs were made because the resources needed for those were used in the Megaroad ships and their smaller escorts instead (Guantanamo and Uraga Carriers, Bolognese Frigates and such). A.S.A.P. Colonization was far more important than creating a mighty fighting force for the U.N. Spacy.

Years after the Megaroad proved succesful and planets were colonized (2030), resources were directed to ships more similar to the orginal SDF... the New Macross class...

Edited July 2, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Zinjo]

Egging will get you nowhere, you never found Waldo.

Egging? Last I checked I've been out of high school for some time. Pointing out a reocurrance of historical behaviour is what I've done.

Wasn't looking for Waldo, just pointing out that he "could" exist.

And point of fact, YOU didn't prove he didn't exist.

Mainly because you couldn't and hiding behind a notion that in a circular argument that you were somehow exempt from "proving" your assertion becasue you "said so" is a cop out based on a falacy and the implied personal understanding that you could not prove your case anyway, with the absence of relevant official documentation. The Megaroad 01 fleet is not relevant to discussions about what a Megaroad 02 fleet could consist of. That requires an "assumption" and you are smart enough to know that.

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" ) or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false or that a premise is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed not to be true, or alternately that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Commonly in an Argument from Personal Incredulity or Argument from Ignorance, the speaker considers or asserts that something is false, implausible, or not obvious to them personally and attempts to use this gap in knowledge as "evidence" in favor of an alternative view of her or his choice. Examples of these fallacies are often found in statements of opinion which begin: "It is hard to see how...," "I cannot understand how...," or "it is obvious that..." (if "obvious" is being used to introduce a conclusion rather than specific evidence in support of a particular view).

This is you....

REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

This is me....

[Zinjo]

Years after the Megaroad proved succesful and planets were colonized, resources were directed to ships more similar to the orginal SDF... the New Macross class...

OK, why?

Why would there be a need if so many worlds were colonized without incident?

The very first emigaration fleet with Megaroad 01 , "disappeared"! No alarm bells go off?

Doesn't that seem a bit odd to you?

If alarm bells do go off, then it would be reasonable (without SDF class ships) to beef up the escort numbers, but that requires resources too. Yet there is so few due to how long it is assumed it would take to collect them. How is this done without compromising the defence of the home system of humanity?

Hypothetically, 4 ARMD class carriers might have the same resource requirements of 1 SDF Class battleship. Which is more effective in a defensive battle situation?

The Logistics questions are quite numerous.

I am curious how you speculate these issues could have been resolved?

[Keith]

In lieau of replying to you, I want to to make this your new Mantra:

"Abscence of evidence is not evidence. The burdon of proof lies on the one trying to prove something thats not htere, not disproving something that's not there."

[Kronnang Dunn]

OK, why?

Why would there be a need if so many worlds were colonized without incident?

The very first emigaration fleet with Megaroad 01 , "disappeared"! No alarm bells go off?

Doesn't that seem a bit odd to you?

If alarm bells do go off, then it would be reasonable (without SDF class ships) to beef up the escort numbers, but that requires resources too. Yet there is so few due to how long it is assumed it would take to collect them. How is this done without compromising the defence of the home system of humanity?

Hypothetically, 4 ARMD class carriers might have the same resource requirements of 1 SDF Class battleship. Which is more effective in a defensive battle situation?

The Logistics questions are quite numerous.

I am curious how you speculate these issues could have been resolved?

Simple. They had no choice. Do you really believe that the U.N.Spacy would have risked another 80,000 ppl Megaroad ship just to search for those in the Megaroad-01? Like I said, colonization was far more important and time was of the essence... That's why just after the Megaroad proved succesful they were replaced by the New Macross... No need for SDFs anymore...

And the Megaroad-01? Kawamori knows...

Edited July 2, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Major Focker]

Blueprint of cruiser mode it seems

It's a fan created image but I though I'd post it because it looks really nice. No attacker mode pics though.

that is so cool. thanks for that. where'd you find it?

[Morpheus]

I think its from here: something...

Can we just accept that the WTF-1 is SDF-1 cameo in MF....

Its one of the Macross Universe rule that SDF-1 makes a cameo (and some part of it will blew up) in all Macross franchise, let see:

- Macross II (Alternate Universe), fate: Vaporized by Ingus Mobile Fortress, leaving the holy floating bridge.

- Macross Plus, fate : Hijacked by renegade AI Sharon Apple, bridge and Macross Broadcast System heavily damaged by YF-19.

- Macross 7: Did it make a cameo here?

- Macross VFX-2, fate: Hijacked by renegade UN SPACY/Critical Path Corp, Sound Jamming system on the bridge destroyed by player.

- Macross Frontier, fate: under heavy speculation by MW members and re-classified as WTF-1.

Edited July 2, 2008 by Morpheus

[ComicKaze]

Ah, but there is where the reasonable doubt becomes most apparent. There is no canonical proof either way.

Sigh, do you have any understanding of Ockham's Razor? In the absence of evidence or proof is it is more reliable and evident to accept that something does not exist rather than to presuppose an elaborate explanation to try to make something exist.

Given the wealth and sheer mass of canonical materials in animation, designworks, publications, official releases, videogames, etc. etc. etc. over 25 years : If we haven't seen any canon evidence of further SDF-1 style Macross ships in them that aren't themselves THE Macross, it is logical to assume, that there simply are not any more SDF-1 style ships!

Zinjo, going by your insane logic, you might as well go into the real world and study every zoological and taxonomical textbook ever written and still conclude and zealously believe that there are Unicorns in Utah. There's no proof either way!

Edited July 2, 2008 by ComicKaze

[Sumdumgai]

I don't remember seeing the Macross in Macross 7, although I wouldn't be surprised if they showed it in those extra DYRL scenes that aren't in our version of the movie (like Max and Miria's marriage scene).

Oh yeah, here's another theory.

Thermians watched Do You Remember Love which was being broadcast galactically, and built themselves a Macross, but couldn't work it well and crash landed on Gallia IV.

Edited July 2, 2008 by Sumdumgai

[transfan52]

Wow I really gotta get back into this series as it is all very interesting but so many distractions... ugh ill have to watch all the frontier episodes I downloaded tomorow.

[Morpheus]

Oh yeah, here's another theory.

Thermians watched Do You Remember Love which was being broadcast galactically, and built themselves a Macross, but couldn't work it well and crash landed on Gallia IV.

I approve this theory

[grss1982]

I have the bad feeling it'll be destroyed.

(the WTF-1)

Plausible, but I think it will be the Macross Quarter that gets destroyed and then SMS uses/hijacks a re-built WTF-1, complete with Macross Qaurter like manuverability.

But seriously, how the heck is SK gonna explain the appearance of the WTF-1 in Gallia 4? Makes me impatient to get my hands of episode 13 all of a sudden.

[JB0]

Sigh, do you have any understanding of Ockham's Razor? In the absence of evidence or proof is it is more reliable and evident to accept that something does not exist rather than to presuppose an elaborate explanation to try to make something exist.

Given the wealth and sheer mass of canonical materials in animation, designworks, publications, official releases, videogames, etc. etc. etc. over 25 years : If we haven't seen any canon evidence of further SDF-1 style Macross ships in them that aren't themselves THE Macross, it is logical to assume, that there simply are not any more SDF-1 style ships!

As Radd noted, that's not how Occam's Razor works. It makes no claims to existence or lack thereof. It just says the simplest answer is the right one.

The simplest solution IS, in fact, that there's more than one ship of the class. It's not as fun, and you don't get to fanwank near as hard, but it's the simplest answer.

It removes the need to get the Macross off Earth, where it has long been established as residing, specifically in a self-named lake in Alaska, surrounded by a similarly-named city.

Moving it would be especially difficult as it's a major historical and cultural touchstone, as well as UN Spacey headquarters. People would NOTICE if it just up and left one day, and the mountains of paperwork would most likely insure that it couldn't be moved faster than protesters could get in gear anyways.

And they sure as hell wouldn't send such a significant vessel out on a mission where they risked losing it without a VERY good reason.

So that rapidly becomes a VERY complex undertaking.

And there's nothing in continuity clearly preventing the existence of a second Macross-class.

You can cite a lack of documented Macross clones, but it still crashes against the brick wall of "The Macross is in Alaska."

We've SEEN the Macross is still on Earth in the middle of Macross City. This isn't secondary reference materials, backstory, or obscure trivia. This is front and center, throw in a DVD and watch it main product. That's the ultimate canon, right there.

I'm not calling it either way until I watch the next episode, because to put it bluntly I don't see ANY plausible conclusion that's reachable with the currently-known facts.

The only existing SDF is on Earth.

There CAN'T be anything on Gallia-4 unless part of the above sentence is incorrect. Which part is up for debate.

If it IS the Macross, they better have a DAMN good story to get it there.

Which is why I'm HOPING it isn't the Macross.

A random colony fleet accident won't be NEAR as bothersome to me as "Oh, yeah... we yanked the title mech out of a lake, threw it across the galaxy, smashed it up good, and then lost it on some hick planet no one's heard of. No real reason, it just seemed like a good idea at the time."

Edited July 2, 2008 by JB0

[ComicKaze]

As Radd noted, that's not how Occam's Razor works.

The simplest solution IS, in fact, that there's more than one ship of the class. It's not as fun, and you don't get to fanwank near as hard, but it's the simplest answer.

No, not at all.

That the simplest solution is that there are more ships of it's class is a subjective conclusion. I feel that simplest solution is that the Macross is the only one of it's class and the simplest and most logical solution is that this IS the Macross.

How can the simplest solution be the one where there are more SDF-1 class ships when it's never been substantiated in any form? When what we see in front of us is quite clearly a very classically rendered DYRL Macross (Frontier and Macross properties have taken the DYRL stylistic route as canon, if not the narrative), when Alto exclaims that it is Macross, when the next episode preview says it's Memory of Global???

It is actually the more complicated and therefore unlikeliest solution that there are more SDF-1 class ships. That any SDF-1 class ships built after Space War One bear the exact likeness of the original SDF-1 Macross. That they are all called Macross (thus Alto's confusion), and that this particular one is also related to Bruno J. Global. In Ockham's Razor, you don't ignore explicit evidence either.

The only existing SDF is on Earth.

There CAN'T be anything on Gallia-4 unless part of the above sentence is incorrect. Which part is up for debate.

If it IS the Macross, they better have a DAMN good story to get it there.

Which is why I'm HOPING it isn't the Macross.

A random colony fleet accident won't be NEAR as bothersome to me as "Oh, yeah... we yanked the title mech out of a lake, threw it across the galaxy, smashed it up good, and then lost it on some hick planet no one's heard of. No real reason, it just seemed like a good idea at the time."

There is nothing wrong with either statement. You have to construe everything in the context of Macross and how it's narratives and symbols have been presented. Every Macross series has had something very important and epic to say. Macross Plus showed the confluence and conflict between man versus machine. Macross Zero showed just how powerful the protoculture technology was and the origins of man and his violent nature. Macross 7 showed how powerful culture, songs, and spiritia are. This show has always gone to lengths to show you the most improbable and most magical and most epic solutions to the questions and situations that it poses. Therefore, logically, we can assume that Frontier will similiarily not disappoint and that whatever appears to be the SDF-1 will therefore be related to the original and is not something derivative or pedestrian as simply another SDF-1 class vessel. It makes no sense in the thrust and context of where we are in the story right now and how the Macross universe has been unfolded over all these years.

In a series where ships can easily space-fold across the Galaxy, there is really nothing stopping the Macross from leaving from earth and appearing on Gallia IV. It seems that you are setting yourself up for disappointment and limiting your imagination. Why WOULDN'T you want it to be Macross? Why would you want a pedestrian and mundance explanation from a series that has proven it has no fears of being epic and almost magic in scale in it's explanations (Shin being saved in a wash of mystical light and taken into space in Zero). When has anything in Macross happened for no good reason??? Why would you expect that as the default situation when the series has shown that it's arc has been carefully plotted and paced far ahead of production? Whatever it turns out to be, I fully expect it to be the representation of the classic Macross and not something illogical and irrelevant to the plot and the entire Macross universe such as suddenly infusing it with more Macross class ships. It makes no sense in terms of the story as it's been unfolded in the franchise and carries no emotional weight. It's either the physical manifestation of the original Macross or it's an illusion created by that eye in the water (more nods to the Protoculture Birdman from Macross Zero).

Given the evidence of past Macross series and past story arcs, it is the simplest answer to assume that Frontier will also follow in their footsteps and not present the mundane but something magic.

Like Arthur C. Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic".

Edited July 2, 2008 by ComicKaze

[Major Focker]

man, the writers are probably doing kampai's since last week.

[JB0]

No, not at all.

That the simplest solution is that there are more ships of it's class is a subjective conclusion. I feel that simplest solution is that the Macross is the only one of it's class and the simplest and most logical solution is that this IS the Macross.

How can the simplest solution be the one where there are more SDF-1 class ships when it's never been substantiated in any form? When what we see in front of us is quite clearly a very classically rendered DYRL Macross (Frontier and Macross properties have taken the DYRL stylistic route as canon, if not the narrative), when Alto exclaims that it is Macross, when the next episode preview says it's Memory of Global???

It is actually the more complicated and therefore unlikeliest solution that there are more SDF-1 class ships. That any SDF-1 class ships built after Space War One bear the exact likeness of the original SDF-1 Macross. That they are all called Macross (thus Alto's confusion), and that this particular one is also related to Bruno J. Global.

All of them bearing the same likeness would be expected, if there's more. They're all based on the same plans(docking the ARMDs to the side was part of the original plans, and was explicitly mentioned in the first episode of the original series).

They're all Macross-class vessels, and certainly the Space War 1 vessel will be, by far, the most famous(probably the most famous vessel of any kind, from a human perspective). And with lost vessels being covered up by the government, the characters wouldn't be EXPECTING to find a wrecked Macross-class vessel.

If you found a semi truck that turned into a giant alien robot(and didn't believe yourself to be in serious need of medication), would you think it was Staks? Menasor? Or Optimus Prime?

And Global was directly responsible for the colonization program. Of COURSE it's related to him.

Not that episode titles are entirely trustworthy... "Basara Dies!" springs to mind.

Or Frontier's "Miss Macross" and "Bye-bye Sheryl." Both were intentionally misleading(the second was an outright lie).

And the preview for "Legend of Zero" implied we were gonna get elaboration on the events of Macross Zero.

How can the simplest solution be that this is the Macross when it's been clearly shown to be on Earth, the centerpiece of a galaxy-spanning army, and lacking in fold drives(there's no indication that they were ever replaced)?

It would be simpler to send ANY other ship out than the Macross. And there's a documented willingness to divert ships from a colony fleet for emergency operations, which launching the Macross back into deep space would unquestionably be.

I'm really not sure why I'm debating the point, other than a tendancy to play devil's advocate.

In a series where ships can easily space-fold across the Galaxy, there is really nothing stopping the Macross from leaving from earth and appearing on Gallia IV.

Aside from that it's fold drives were lost in space, and there's no canon mention of them ever being replaced?

It seems that you are setting yourself up for disappointment and limiting your imagination. Why WOULDN'T you want it to be Macross?

Because if they do it wrong, they've tainted one of my favorite spaceships.

Why would you want a pedestrian and mundance explanation from a series that has proven it has no fears of being epic and almost magic in scale in it's explanations (Shin being saved in a wash of mystical light and taken into space in Zero).

The ending of Zero is a bad example of an explanation.

But... I don't want pedestrian and mundane. I just want to not see "End of the Circle" in Real Macross.

The storytelling requirements for it to be THE Macross are immensely larger than if it's not.

If it is the Macross, and they don't handle it in an absolutely masterful way, they've burned most, if not all, of goodwill the series has earned to date for a poorly-executed fanwank.

It's also worth noting that Macross was the show to break free of the final shackles of super robot design elements. The mechs are not one-of-a-kind, infused with magical energies, blessed by the gods, or anything like that. They're just machines, and it's the PEOPLE that make them special.

For all the credit Gundam gets for starting the change, it ultimately failed to break away. They had monster-of-the-week syndrome through the entire series, and the major characters still drive one-off prototypes and exotic customs to this day.

Macross 7 was a huge backslide in that regard(Gundam Valks!). As was Macross 2, though it at least has an excuse.

Zero... well, the MACHINES weren't magical.

And while they WERE prototypes, they were a LOT of prototypes(the luckless cannon-fodder flew the same protos as our hero). So it really gets an exemption on the proto status because it's still a level playing field.

When has anything in Macross happened for no good reason??? Why would you expect that as the default situation when the series has shown that it's arc has been carefully plotted and paced far ahead of production?

Does a circus performer EXPECT to fall to his death? No.

Does he prefer to work with a net anyways? You bet.

Regardless of how you feel about Macross 7, the (embarassing) performance of the Battle 7 in no way reflected on the original ship from younger days. Hooray for a safety net.

I haven't seen anything to indicate an arc involving the Macross has been plotted out far ahead of time. There's clearly a plan with the Vajra, but that's different.

And...

Several story threads were thrown out of the original Macross to shorten it. Then some of them were reimplemented in a different manner to lengthen it again.

Scenes were dropped from Macross DYRL because it was running behind.

Crazed nonsense was thrown into Macross Plus to extend a movie script into a 4-episode OVA.

Macross 7 goes nowhere fast for a long time due to the need to idle while marketing pimps the music.

Macross 2 was cut short due to poor sales.

Zero is, to date, the ONLY Macross animation that has made it out unmolested(or at least, the only one I don't know of any molestation to).

Whatever it turns out to be, I fully expect it to be the representation of the classic Macross and not something illogical and irrelevant to the plot and the entire Macross universe such as suddenly infusing it with more Macross class ships. It makes no sense in terms of the story as it's been unfolded in the franchise and carries no emotional weight. It's either the physical manifestation of the original Macross or it's an illusion created by that eye in the water (more nods to the Protoculture Birdman from Macross Zero).

See, that's part of the problem. I see absolutely no LOGICAL way to get the Macross from point A to point B.

As far as relevancy goes... there's no story that can't be told with another ship just as easily, unless it's specifically a Space War 1 story. And that won't get the Macross to Gallia 4.

Edited July 2, 2008 by JB0

[ComicKaze]

Being that Alto was diverged to discover it by the alien eye exhibiting strange powers in the waters of Gallia IV, the simplest explanation is that the SDF-1 arrived there via alien means and therefore has nothing to do with earth or human fleets or fleet movements or humans installing new fold engines or relaunching the ship or building more SDF-1 class vessels or anything like that. Given that in Macross, protoculture technology has been shown to be able to do some very bizarre and implausibly powerful things, it's also the simplest explanation to assume that anything bizarre or out of this world (like the sudden appearance of the SDF-1) is again, caused by that alien power.

I don't know why I'm debating this either but I'm just frustrated that the people who are saying it's another SDF-1 class ship are seemingly ignorning all the signs given in the very episode in which it appears.

Edited July 2, 2008 by ComicKaze

[wolfx]

I think the poll should be reopened prior to tomorrow's show so the "its the one and only" vs the "its another ship" camp can laugh at whoever loses.

[Impreszive]

I think we will find out, starting tomorrow. Speculation isn't helping much.

[Gubaba]

Once again, why are people applying Occam's Razor to a work of fiction, which is consciously created to be surprising and to create unusual, unpredictable connections and story turns?

Look, if the writers want to say it's the actual SDF-1 Macross...they can.

If they want to say there were hundreds of Macross-Class battle cruisers made...they can.

If they want to say it's an illusion...they can.

If they want to say it's actually a completely different ship in disguise...they can.

If they want to say, it's Song Goku come to lay the Kamehameha on the Vajra and save the day...they can. (Well, maybe they can't say THAT, but only because of copyright issues.)

Now, admittedly, they have to make it at least semi-plausible, but still...they can say anything they want to. Because it's fiction.

[Knight26]

I'm still going with my theory, or a variation there of:

The Macross has always retained flight capability after its retrofit, as demonstrated in Plus and VFX-2. This allowed for making the DYRL movie and goodwill tours. Imagine after spending years in space and setting up a colony having the Macross come for a visit. That would be a great morale boost for some galaxyweary travelers. This way as well the UN Spacy could keep its HQ constantly on the move, and therefore relatively safe from invasion. Of course its home port would be earth, and it was after all present for the Sharron Apple incident, due to the space war armistance 30th anniversarry celebration. Now, in the aftermath of the Protodevlin and Macross-13 incidents, the UN Spacy had been on pretty shaky ground with a lot of colonies getting frustrated, tired, and unsure of the UN Spacy's abilty to defend them. The Macross was therefore launched on an unprecedented goodwill tour, making stops at all the colonies, but somewhere along the way it runs into a fold dislocation, or that space-time anamoly mentioned on the Macross-F website (which has yet to be explained) and gets lost. This creates a huge fragmentation in all of the UN Spacy with many colonies breaking away, but retaining diplomatic ties, and even convinces many to start private colonization efforts (like Galaxy). Some of these colonies wish to remain like the UN Spacy but distance themselves from a now seemingly weakened government, and name themselves the New UN Spacy (Frontier). So they are actually a break away colony, but they retain some ties to the old UN Spacy. What will be interesting now is the political ramifications of finding the Macross intact on Galia-4.

[YajimaTakashi]

I think its from here: something...

Can we just accept that the WTF-1 is SDF-1 cameo in MF....

Its one of the Macross Universe rule that SDF-1 makes a cameo (and some part of it will blew up) in all Macross franchise, let see:

- Macross II (Alternate Universe), fate: Vaporized by Ingus Mobile Fortress, leaving the holy floating bridge.

- Macross Plus, fate : Hijacked by renegade AI Sharon Apple, bridge and Macross Broadcast System heavily damaged by YF-19.

- Macross 7: Did it make a cameo here?

- Macross VFX-2, fate: Hijacked by renegade UN SPACY/Critical Path Corp, Sound Jamming system on the bridge destroyed by player.

- Macross Frontier, fate: under heavy speculation by MW members and re-classified as WTF-1.

She was seen in Macross 7 Encore: Fleet of the Strongest Women, during a flashback.

[RedWolf]

Anybody else thinking that Vajra infested Guantanamo carrier was the SDF-1 Macross' escort?

They never did establish which fleet it belonged to.

[Mr March]

Blueprint of cruiser mode it seems

It's a fan created image but I though I'd post it because it looks really nice. No attacker mode pics though.

Can I egg you on with a comparison picture? Seriously, that's not bad fan art, but it doesn't look quite right. Check out this schematic and tell me what you think:

SDF-1 Macross official line art schematic

That fan picture is an interesting wallpaper, but it's kinda "off".

[Major Focker]

um, it neither has the prometheus/daedalus nor the ARMD carriers?

do i get points for that?

[bsu legato]

Song Goku

Not to deride any of your well-made points, but who the hell is Song Goku? Isn't he the lead in the off-off-off-off-off-Broadway production, Dragon Ball: A Musical Experience?