WTF-1 Discsussion Thread

[dreamweaver13]

Hi folks, my first post here and I already want to jump in on the WTF-1 conjectures:

I'm also of a mind that perhaps there are multiple Macross class ships, but that it is the one found in ep12 that's the original, with the one left on earth being a copy.

Reason:

1. Macross Frontier seems intent on paying tributes to a lot of the previous Macross series.

2. One of the greatest "gap" in the Macross franchise is the fate of Megaroad-1 after its disappearance.

3. It was established that there was a massive cover-up on earth in regards to the disappearance of the said Megaroad-1.

4. Megaroad-1 is the first colonization fleet, stocked full of people who are veterans of SW-1, presumably with a LOT of friends in high places. Not to mention one of the passenger is probably considered to be no less than a living treasure to the U.N. Spacy (Minmei). Also, in regards to the cover-up, perhaps U.N. Spacy had more information about the disappearance of Megaroad-1 than we originally were led to believe.

5. It would not be out of question for a search and rescue attempt be tried. Given that if something had happened to Megaroad-1, they probably need something that packs more heat than it to deal with it.

6. At the time, the SDF-1 Macross is probably already repaired, and I don't think there were other vessels available that matches that particular job description except a repaired Macross.

7. Captain Bruno is probably still the only man truly qualified to captain such a vessel at the time. Captain Bruno does have very close relationship with the people on the Megaroad mission.

8. Maybe its not out of the question for UN Spacy to send out the old Captain with his old ship on a search and rescue attempt, while constructing a duplicate in Macross' place to use as an overpriced office building.

9. Perhaps, this fleet also ran into Megaroad-1's (or its own) problem (Varja? Maybe another M7 might be pulled here again, "OMG! Varja is acutally linked to another human colonization effort, Megaroad-1!), had another fold-goof, and crashed in the ditch where it was recently found, with the rescue attempt also covered up on Earth.

Also, the theory that Macross had to hightail out of Earth in the span of time between Macross+/7 and Frontier also seem somewhat plausible to me, but that wont explain the next episode name as well.

Just some crazy talk from a Macross fanboy, who's first recollection of anything was seeing Macross on TV as a toddler.

oooh! not bad. not bad at all.

hey, if it means tying in the next episode (and macross F) to the fate of megaroad 1, even a little, count me in.

after all, it does bother me that there is no highly publicized (at least not that we know of) search and rescue mission for the all-star crew of megaroad 1, so why not the SDF-1 in a secret mission?

edit: if this thoery turns out to be true, then sadly i am expecting a long-dead global in the ship. and his "memory" would refer to a recording he made of what transpired...

Edited June 30, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[Gubaba]

Good thinking anon (and welcome!)...I just have one problem with it. The Megaroad-01 went missing in 2016, but the Macross was still on earth in 2040. I can't imagine that they waited 24 years to launch a rescue mission.

But it's funny...I think all of us want to know what happened to the Megaroad, so everyone's trying to figure out a way to tie it in here. If it had been the Megaroad on Gallia 4 instead of the Macross, instead of WTF, I think our reaction would've been A LOT different. Instead of a big WTF, we would've breathed a sigh of relief, because a long-standing dangling thread would've been tied up. But now it looks as though we're getting the answer to question we never thought to ask...

[dreamweaver13]

Good thinking anon (and welcome!)...I just have one problem with it. The Megaroad-01 went missing in 2016, but the Macross was still on earth in 2040. I can't imagine that they waited 24 years to launch a rescue mission.

But it's funny...I think all of us want to know what happened to the Megaroad, so everyone's trying to figure out a way to tie it in here. If it had been the Megaroad on Gallia 4 instead of the Macross, instead of WTF, I think our reaction would've been A LOT different. Instead of a big WTF, we would've breathed a sigh of relief, because a long-standing dangling thread would've been tied up. But now it looks as though we're getting the answer to question we never thought to ask...

i think what anon is saying is that the one in macross plus was a copy. an actual working copy. the real one was sent on the SAR mission.

if that's the case, we were fooled once again.

Edited June 30, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[JB0]

The only problem is... how exactly do you do a bait and switch on that scale without anyone noticing?

[Kronnang Dunn]

Sorry, Zin, gotta call you out on this one. You guys are coming off like a bunch of Techies arguing about the existence of a second SDF ship in the original Macross animation. All evidence points to this being the one and ONLY SDF-1. Next episode preview leads one to believe that the ship either went back into service, or was moved.

Its not a Megaroad, and there is no Megalord.

Indeed... More SDFs is not canon (and for me, if is not in the Macross Compendium then it simply doesn't exist in the Macross universe). The UNSpacy wasn't all that high and mighty... They lacked resources to build more SD ships... That's why they relied on smaller carriers/frigates and refited Zentradi ships for the colonization fleets.

VERY much appreciated

I see now what you're saying and technically, you're correct. There was indeed more than one SDF Macross built and certainly plans for more. It was never finished, but as you say there were clearly more on the way according to the official word. Plus common sense dictates you don't build one-of-a-kind ships in a military force

I suspect many fans consider the SDF-1 Macross iconic and singular, so I'd guess most objections to a second or more such vessels somehow diminishes the greatness of the original. Plus the lack of any more ships in the anime gives us the impression there was only one. I think ultimately it's a dramatic conceit. Logic tells us there shouldn't be just one SDF Macross class ship, but because it's all a fictional world we go with it because it's so dramatic

Actually logic itself dictates that it must be the SDF-1 Macross. Like I just said, after Space War I ended there weren't enough resources to build more SDFs and the Colonization program demanded ships more focused in carrying huge populations than engaging in space warfare (Thus the change from the SDF-2 to the Megaroad configuration). That's why the Guantanamo Class Carriers and the small Bolognese Class Frigates became the main ships produced afterwards... Add to this the fact that the captured factory satellite malfunctioned and it seems highly unlikely that any more SDFs were produced...

Colonization fleets with several SDFs just didn't exist in the actual Macross universe... With the official information so far, the ship at the end of episode 12 was the original SDF-1 Macross. We will have to wait until episode 13 is aired for anything that could change that...

Edited June 30, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Renato]

i think what anon is saying is that the one in macross plus was a copy. an actual working copy. the real one was sent on the SAR mission.

if that's the case, we were fooled once again.

So, why not just send the brand-spanking-new copy instead of the antique?

I absolutely have no idea what they're gonna come up with. But it might have something to do with bending space-time, thus incorporating the whole fold faults thing with the purple crystals and the Vajra queen.

Speaking of which, remember the narrator in one episode mentioned that the fold faults were the limitation of all cultures derived from protoculture? So, this strengthens the theory that the Vajra may not be derived from the protoculture after all, and that they came from some other part of the galaxy that humans or zentradi have not been able to reach because of the faults.

More evidence (kind of) to suggest that the Vajra folded the Macross over here for some reason. Have those Zentradi dudes even noticed that it's there? Or are they too busy bickering?

[ComicKaze]

What would the WTF-1 stand for if the UN SPACY wanted to name a ship that? Heck, they are naming organizations after Nuns so go crazy..

Wierd Terriffic Fortress - 1

Wonderful Terran Fortress -1

Wanker Topless Fortress - 1 ???

[Kronnang Dunn]

Speaking of which, remember the narrator in one episode mentioned that the fold faults were the limitation of all cultures derived from protoculture? So, this strengthens the theory that the Vajra may not be derived from the protoculture after all, and that they came from some other part of the galaxy that humans or zentradi have not been able to reach because of the faults.

More evidence (kind of) to suggest that the Vajra folded the Macross over here for some reason. Have those Zentradi dudes even noticed that it's there? Or are they too busy bickering?

Whoa... Highly unlikely. If you have watched each and every one of the Macross F episodes so far you must have realized by now that Grace's faction has something to do with the Vajra and they don't want NUNS/SMS to find out about them. The Vajra aren't sentient and they are bioweapons. They have spirals like the Birdman from Macross Zero, which was made by the Protoculture... Ergo, the Vajra come from the Birdman or were created by the Protoculture too...

The Protoculture was super-duper advanced, so overcoming the fold dislocations must have been very easy for them. But after 500,000 years it seems unlikely they exist anymore...

Edited June 30, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Keith]

On the contrary, if the TV version of the SDF-1 is canon, then the designers of the SDF-2 made several changes to the original restoration designs, which became incorporated into the refit. The pictures don't lie...

All changes based on that original design.

Exactly how do you know they "don't exist"? Was there a close up of those icons I missed?

Again, the burdon of proof is on you. The absence of evidence is not evidence.

How can we be definitively sure that the SDF battleships were not incorporated into the Megaroad colony ships similarly to how the NMC is integrated into the City ship?

The same way we know that Hikaru didn't have a toater in his skull I suppose. Unless you'd like to argue that. It's not in the line art.

How do we know definitively the ultimate size the Megaroad colony ships became? The Frontier is 3x the size of City 7, yet the overall shape and design is essentially the same and the Megaroad 01 was built on top of an existing chassis that was 1600m long and thus largely limited to that size at the time.

Line art & pics, or it didn't happen. Simple as that.

You can prove that as effectively as I can prove my hypothesis. In two words, "you can't"...

Prior to Mac 7, the Protodevlin did not exist, yet they do now, because that gap in the chronology has been filled, by the events of Macross 7.

Exactly, prior to Macross 7, they didn't exist. Now we have proof that they do. You however have absolute zero to prove your multiple Macross-alike thoery. Its groundless, baseless, and unless it happens, is completely witout merit.

There is no basis to believe such things didn't happen either. There is a blank page were that information could exist, just like there was with the PD. This Macross book is still being written by SK and to imply that such a thing isn't allowed because it hasn't been written yet is pretty pompous for any fan.

That same blank page can also state that spaceballs happens in the Macross universe. Pics, or it didn't happen. Pompous? No, just realistic. The difference is between deductive reasoning, and random conjecture. This is Macross afterall, not robotech.

Sure I'll supply my pic when you supply a picture of the Megaroad 13 without one. Until such time, it could have happened!

Ok, if you say he's there, find me Waldo, circle where he is. Because the bulk of that ship looks like city & engines to me.

I don't recall saying they were going out uprotected, I said (it's all in the post black and white, try reading it), that they'd be additional protection.

Yes, well the Terran solar system is has such sparse resources. Wish we had moons, asteroids and other planets to mine, oh wait! WE DO and crikey they are so much closer than systems several light years away...

Silly, all those have been mined clean for Lunatitanium & Gundanium. And show me that pic of a Macross-escort!

Edited June 30, 2008 by Keith

[Keith]

I think someone needs to get over themselves more than I need to get over the somewhat rediculous idea that a government sending out the last remnants of humanity would put off something like an NMC for twenty years to mine a few distant worlds when there are plenty of resources in their own back yard to do the same job...

Complain all you want, but the burdon of proof is still on you.

Macross Zero - SDFM has no mention of transforming aircraft engaged in combat prior to the VF-1, before the series came out. Such historical references did not exist prior to that show's production. Your point is invalid...

Of course it doesn't, that was a classified event, and officially didn't happen until it was declassified. Roy couldn't very well say "yeah Hikaru, I totally just took on this crazy ass alien thing & lost a wingman to a mystery fold, it was awesome!" Yet you've yet to substantiate why sending along huge ships that look just like the Macross would be any kind of secret.

A BIT?! This is a weak argument to support a weak premise. If Bodolza's ship was done with holography, it is more reasonable to conclude the Macross was too, not the other way around...

You're joking right? Do you know what kind of prices they could have charged for tickets to fill up the Macross with civillians to be involved in backgorund shot shoots? What kind of publicity for the movie they would have gathered by having launching ceremonies & such? They'd be crazy "not" to use the Macross to shoot.

In the most critical of terms, how the Macross ended up on film is simply not stated, therefore to assume it was used in the movie is all speculation, nothing less.

Speculation backed with pictures! See the difference?

The reasonable doubt is simply this:

1. The SDF-2 Megalord design took heavily from the SDF-1 Macross and from a distance would look the same.

See above pic's, the final design of the Megaroad looked absolutely nothing like the Macross.

2. It is not stated in any official documentation that only 2 Macross class vessels were built and no more. What is stated is that the SDF-1 Macross restoration was completed and the SDF-2 Megalord was half complete before it was refitted as a colony vessel. No where is it stated that these two were the last of that battleship class.

Burdon of proof lies in finding evidence that they "weren't" the last.

3. The witnesses identified a ship that "looked" like the Macross, yet we have no proof they saw any identifying markings on the hull such as the registry number SDF-1 or the name "Macross". With that ship being so iconic in the culture of the universe, what else would they have called it?

Simply put, if there were a dozen or so Macross's cruising around, there'd be no reason for them to think it was the Macross. It'd be a common enough ship to warrent further investigating before calling it a name. You brought up Star Trek earlier, and with that, the situation would be the same. A ship bearing resemblence the the Enterprice could just as easily be the Constellation, the Yorktown, the Hood, etc, etc.

4. All counter arguments are based up the assumption that only one Macross class battleship was ever produced and that is simply not supported by official records, as they are definitive on the matter of how many more if any were built.

That's factually, only one was ever built. Prove otherwise!

Whether the Megalord battleship ceased to exist when it was converted is irrelevant. The construction was underway using the plans to build a battleship for 6 years. What ultimately happened to the chassis doesn't discount that plans existed to construct a Macross class battleship of completely human origin and were used in it's construction. Much like the NMCs are.

And yet it wasn't, end of story

Edited June 30, 2008 by Keith

[Zinjo]

Indeed... More SDFs is not canon (and for me, if is not in the Macross Compendium then it simply doesn't exist in the Macross universe). The UNSpacy wasn't all that high and mighty... They lacked resources to build more SD ships... That's why they relied on smaller carriers/frigates and refited Zentradi ships for the colonization fleets.

It is very helpful on these forums to add references to any assertions of fact (thank you Keith for that lesson).

There is no reference material to base your "fact" on. Such information is not or perhaps has not yet been revealed. As I've already stated, that the PD didn't exist either until Mac 7, does that mean they never existed before in the universe? According to Kawamori they did.

Actually logic itself dictates that it must be the SDF-1 Macross. Like I just said, after Space War I ended there weren't enough resources to build more SDFs and the Colonization program demanded ships more focused in carrying huge populations than engaging in space warfare (Thus the change from the SDF-2 to the Megaroad configuration). That's why the Guantanamo Class Carriers and the small Bolognese Class Frigates became the main ships produced afterwards... Add to this the fact that the captured factory satellite malfunctioned and it seems highly unlikely that any more SDFs were produced...

Exactly where do you get that information from?

There was a moon base and a moon full of unmined materials, stations at several lagrange points in the system, a Mars base (well what was left of one after it was destroyed) with a planet as of yet full of untouched materials as well as asteroids. How then is it "logical" to say there wasn't enough resources??

We are dealing with the remnants of humanity which initiall numbered about a couple of million at best. They had to clone people to rebuild the population base. Now a responsible government tasked with sending out fleets of civilians to populate the unknown reaches of the galaxy would not see a need for more SDFs when the first one they had was so effective? Particularly when its very first mission went missing 4 years out? I am not seeing any logic in that assertion at all!

Colonization fleets with several SDFs just didn't exist in the actual Macross universe... With the official information so far, the ship at the end of episode 12 was the original SDF-1 Macross. We will have to wait until episode 13 is aired for anything that could change that...

"With the official information so far" that is the key to your statement and thus any assertion that no more could have existed cannot be supported as definitive fact.

The possibility exists, whether it becomes fact, we'll have to wait and see...

[Zinjo]

Complain all you want, but the burdon of proof is still on you.

You asked for reasonable doubt and got it.

We've done this before Keith and I never forget what I post, so you asked for reasonable doubt and you got it. Trying to change what you asked for isn't going to work.

Of course it doesn't, that was a classified event, and officially didn't happen until it was declassified. Roy couldn't very well say "yeah Hikaru, I totally just took on this crazy ass alien thing & lost a wingman to a mystery fold, it was awesome!" Yet you've yet to substantiate why sending along huge ships that look just like the Macross would be any kind of secret.

What?!

I don't recall saying anything about a secret? My point if you can stay with me here, is that no transforming aircraft in the UN Wars existed prior to Mac Zero in the official chronology. That didn't happen until after Kawamori revealed it in Mac Zero. "Deal with it", isn't that what you said?

You're joking right? Do you know what kind of prices they could have charged for tickets to fill up the Macross with civillians to be involved in backgorund shot shoots? What kind of publicity for the movie they would have gathered by having launching ceremonies & such? They'd be crazy "not" to use the Macross to shoot.

The crazy notion is to use an active military headquarters as a flying movie set! Hell why we're at it lets just open up the Pentagon because hey Hollywood wants to shoot scenes in the situation room of the building... Wow, that makes so much more sense...

Speculation backed with pictures! See the difference?

Yeah, considering I have friends in the film industry, I do see a difference, that with CG and in the Macross Universe holgrams, you can make a garbage barge look like the macross for a fraction of the cost and bother of launching a 1.2 km tall space fortress into space on a publicity stunt... Give ME a break!

See above pic's, the final design of the Megaroad looked absolutely nothing like the Macross.

Again, trying to change what I asked for. I asked for a picture of the Megaroad 13. Is that the Megaroad 13? I own the Animation Materials for Mac 7 and no line art or pictures exist for that craft. Therefore you still haven't provided me with any pictures or lineart of that ship. You posted the Megaroad 01, wrong ship. I'm still waiting...

Burdon of proof lies in finding evidence that they "weren't" the last.

No, there is reasonable doubt that there could have been more. Just like the VF-0 once was prior to 2002, nothing has been definitively stated either way.

Simply put, if there were a dozen or so Macross's cruising around, there'd be no reason for them to think it was the Macross. It'd be a common enough ship to warrent further investigating before calling it a name. You brought up Star Trek earlier, and with that, the situation would be the same. A ship bearing resemblence the the Enterprice could just as easily be the Constellation, the Yorktown, the Hood, etc, etc.

There was an American aircraft carrier called the Constellation? Not that I'm aware of...

As for the "Macross" name: Why wouldn't they call an SDF ship the Macross? It is the symbol of SW1 and they'd all look the same to the untrained eye, just as all variable fighters are Valkyries in the universe eventhough only one bore the actual name. Then you take into account that all NMCs are named "Macross" with a numerical designation and now there is the Macross Quarter the latest transforming capital ship.

If every transforming capital ship is given the name Macross, exactly what should they have called it?

That's factually, only one was ever built. Prove otherwise!

It wasn't built it was restored. The Megalord was built from scratch.

I never intended to prove anything as I've stated all along, I have successfully brought reasonable doubt that it may not have been the only one. You can try as hard as you like to disprove the doubt... Good luck!

By all your attempts at changing arguments away from reasonable doubt, you have not yet argued it is definitively impossible, since you can not.

You can point to the compendium as much as you want, and I will too. Those empty pages do not prove one way or the other, and you will have to deal with that.

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" ) or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false or that a premise is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed not to be true, or alternately that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Commonly in an Argument from Personal Incredulity or Argument from Ignorance, the speaker considers or asserts that something is false, implausible, or not obvious to them personally and attempts to use this gap in knowledge as "evidence" in favor of an alternative view of her or his choice. Examples of these fallacies are often found in statements of opinion which begin: "It is hard to see how...," "I cannot understand how...," or "it is obvious that..." (if "obvious" is being used to introduce a conclusion rather than specific evidence in support of a particular view).

This is why I only assert reasonable doubt, otherwise this becomes a circular argument of logical fallacy.

At no point would I be so foolish to assert my opinion as fact, since the pendulum could swing either way by next Friday and the question will be answered definitively...

Edited June 30, 2008 by Zinjo

[Sumdumgai]

So what proof is there that it is the SDF-1 Macross?

If you go strictly by what we know through the Macross Compendium then it can't be the Macross: "To date, it continues to fulfill its assigned task of planetary defense."

Macross Class entry on the Macross Compendium

It's clearly not stated in the Compendium that the Macross left Earth. If it's not in the Compendium than it doesn't exist in the Macross Universe according Kronnang Dunn.

Indeed... More SDFs is not canon (and for me, if is not in the Macross Compendium then it simply doesn't exist in the Macross universe). The UNSpacy wasn't all that high and mighty... They lacked resources to build more SD ships... That's why they relied on smaller carriers/frigates and refited Zentradi ships for the colonization fleets.

Can you please point to the entry that states that UN Spacy lacked the resources to build more SD ships? If they lacked the resources to build more SD ships, how did they build so many Megaroad led colony fleets, much less launching massive resource hogs like the New Macross Class colony fleets?

Is it actually THE Macross we're seeing in episode 12? We won't know until episode 13. It's called "the first generation Macross vessel". If you go STRICTLY by the Compendium, then it can't be the Macross. If you don't go strictly by what's in the Compendium, then you have a bunch of theories as to what it is and how it got there. We see an image of what looks like the Macross with a bunch of Stealth frigates. The Compendium has no entries about the Macross leaving Earth.

Episode 13 will probably be filling in historical gaps on the Compendium and may be giving us things we never knew of just like Macross Zero did (the VF-0, SV-51, etc.). Just because something is not in the Compendium now, does not mean that there are no possibilities.

[ChrisG]

So what proof is there that it is the SDF-1 Macross?

If you go strictly by what we know through the Macross Compendium then it can't be the Macross: "To date, it continues to fulfill its assigned task of planetary defense."

Macross Class entry on the Macross Compendium

It's clearly not stated in the Compendium that the Macross left Earth. If it's not in the Compendium than it doesn't exist in the Macross Universe according Kronnang Dunn.

That entry hasn't been updated and is just an importation of what was on the old Compendium, so it can't be used to account for things in Frontier. Let's assume for a moment that this really is the SDF-1 Macross. If episode 13 is going to presumably explain how it left Earth, and the episode hasn't aired yet, how would that information magically be in its profile entry in the Compendium? That's like pointing to an Encyclopedia Britannica from 1930 to prove that TVs and computers don't exist.

On a separate note, I've seen so many people arguing this back and forth everywhere online, and frankly it's getting tiring and annoying. Is it really so hard to wait until Thursday and see what episode 13 has to say on this subject?

[00X]

What. WHAT.

Denying that's the SDF-1 is like denying those are Alto and Brera's Valkyries in the Ep13 preview, so I must ask myself, has the world gone insane?

It's like if you grew up with a sibling, fell out of touch for awhile, then run into them somewhere unexpected. And instead of thinking "I wonder what they're doing here", you think "Huh? That can't be them! Last time I saw them they were living on Long Island! It must be a secret twin Mom never told me about!".

This thread just makes me sad.

[Duke Togo]

I've got 50 bucks that says this is the ship that is back to back with the SDF-1 in Robotech!

[VFTF1]

I find it amazing this is being debated at all. It's clearly the original Macross. We'll find out soon enough how it got there.

Although I do grant I'll be the first to give full props to the nay sayers if it turns out other wise..

Still - it is fitting that in a 25th anniversary series, they actually put the SDF Macross in there. I mean- we've not seen it at all since Plus, where it was nicely inserted and used... but still - Zero and Seven gave us no Macross love... so finally it's here...

And I also really like the Birdman/Zero tie in - wonder who Big Green is...

VFTF1

[Zinjo]

I've got 50 bucks that says this is the ship that is back to back with the SDF-1 in Robotech!

Too late JBO beat ya to it...

[Zinjo]

That entry hasn't been updated and is just an importation of what was on the old Compendium, so it can't be used to account for things in Frontier. Let's assume for a moment that this really is the SDF-1 Macross. If episode 13 is going to presumably explain how it left Earth, and the episode hasn't aired yet, how would that information magically be in its profile entry in the Compendium? That's like pointing to an Encyclopedia Britannica from 1930 to prove that TVs and computers don't exist.

On a separate note, I've seen so many people arguing this back and forth everywhere online, and frankly it's getting tiring and annoying. Is it really so hard to wait until Thursday and see what episode 13 has to say on this subject?

It's a valid debate and fun to boot...

Naturally the question will be answered Thursday, but until then everyone can freely weigh in on the matter with their speculations...

[Duke Togo]

It's a valid debate and fun to boot...

Not really, and his argument is total nonsense. Fact is we have 25 years worth of animation, games, and print that cover some 70 years of Macross history, and yet not one single mention of another Macross class ship launch.

[Anon]

The only problem is... how exactly do you do a bait and switch on that scale without anyone noticing?

It was still in the reconstruction era, information control has shown to be highly strict.

So, why not just send the brand-spanking-new copy instead of the antique?

My argument for this is that the new copy on Earth was not completed at the time that the SDF-1 was launched on my theorized rescue mission. And its not that much of an antique if they launched it shortly after the disappearance of Megaroad-1.

[aerocombatpilot]

Just to add my 2 cents, I believe that it is the original SDF-1; otherwise why would we care? If it is just another SDF then why the dramatic buildup? I believe, given the title of episode 13, that this is the final resting place of the SDF-1, and that

Global was on some mission that we knew nothing about. I could be wrong, but it's sure gonna be fun watching to find out!

Man, I haven't been this excited about Macross in years!!

[Duke Togo]

My argument for this is that the new copy on Earth was not completed at the time that the SDF-1 was launched on my theorized rescue mission.

Rescue mission to find Admiral Rick Hunter and the SDF-3?

[Anon]

Rescue mission to find Admiral Rick Hunter and the SDF-3?

*pukes up blood at the mention*

[s001]

Got it! Galia 4 is actually the earth! Remember, time is relative! or maybe it's because of the fold dislocation. But that fanart pic of Alto and Ranka... ... explain it all to me.

[Duke Togo]

Got it! Galia 4 is actually the earth! Remember, time is relative! or maybe it's because of the fold dislocation.

Did NO ONE watch the next episode preview?

[azrael]

On a separate note, I've seen so many people arguing this back and forth everywhere online, and frankly it's getting tiring and annoying. Is it really so hard to wait until Thursday and see what episode 13 has to say on this subject?

I just find it pointless since the answer is probably coming this Thursday... Which is why I'm not bothering with these speculation threads. You should be glad you don't suffer as much with Gundam...

[Anon]

I just find it pointless since the answer is probably coming this Thursday... Which is why I'm not bothering with these speculation threads. You should be glad you don't suffer as much with Gundam...

But don't you see these speculations are how fanboys keep ourselves occupied instead of going crazy mad over the long wait?

[Sulendil Ang]

But don't you see these speculations are how fanboys keep ourselves occupied instead of going crazy mad over the long wait?

Erm... By doing your school homework/job?

At least, that's how I'm going to survive this week: I have quite a busy life back in my school.

[Anon]

Erm... By doing your school homework/job?

At least, that's how I'm going to survive this week: I have quite a busy life back in my school.

I'm out of school, and my full time job doesn't really keep me that occupied

I just sit around managing myself, and fantasize about what's going to be revealed in 4 more days.

[Guest sh002]

So there's a WTF in Macross Frontier and an ASS in Macross Zero?

[YajimaTakashi]

Did NO ONE watch the next episode preview?

They just find it hard to believe that this could be the Macross. I mean the hints are there, Alto and Ranka's shock; Ai Oboete Imasu Ka playing as it goes into the credits, and then the fact that "Memory of Global" is the name of the next episode. I believe it is the Macross. All the hints are there, but the why will have to wait til Thursday.

Edited June 30, 2008 by YajimaTakashi

[azrael]

But don't you see these speculations are how fanboys keep ourselves occupied instead of going crazy mad over the long wait?

So you're telling me you don't have a life...

[Anon]

So you're telling me you don't have a life...

I've had a life between M7 and now. It can go back on hold as my inner fanboy once again take over. The appearance of Macross is kinda like the command over-ride switch for me to suspend all activities unrelated to it.

-Music played at the office switched from Country/Rock to Macross soundtracks: Check

-Cable TV unplugged, and the TV itself goes into Macross Only Mode (even II): Check

-All desktop wallpapers switched over to Macross: Check

-Old Macross posters/wall scrolls replacing the current decors at home: Check

-Suppressing the random boners I get at the office when ever the right song from the soundtracks hit the speaker as to avoid sexual harassment accusations: Working on it....

[Kronnang Dunn]

They just find it hard to believe that this could be the Macross. I mean the hints are there, Alto and Ranka's shock; Ai Oboete Imasu Ka playing as it goes into the credits, and then the fact that "Memory of Global" is the name of the next episode. I believe it is the Macross. All the hints are there, but the why will have to wait til Thursday.

That's what I've been saying all along...