Newbie Questions on Macross

[azrael]

Did they rejoin the ProtoDevelin after their release from Varuta or were they just trying to servive Zentradi through campaign of extermination?

They never rejoined the Protodeviln. I don't think the Protodeviln cared for them and vice versa. Heck, the SA wasn't even under-the-influence after the Protodevilns were sealed.

[Zinjo]

A minor correction, the Supervision Army and the Varauta forces are two different entities. Basically, the Supervision Amy are made up of brainwashed Protoculture and Zentradi under control of the Protodevilins like Beltane said. It was the Supervision Army that waged war against the Stellar Republic/Protoculture that led to the destruction of the latter. The Protoculture managed to win by sealing the Protodevilins on planet Varauta.

The Varauta Forces on the other hand are brainwashed UN Spacy military of another NMC Fleet that came to planet Varauta (I can't remember which fleet it was, Macross 11?). It was explained in Macross 7 that when the Macross (?) fleet reached Varauta, they started snooping around, but didn't know that it was on that planet the Protodevilin were sealed, and then well, they accidentally unsealed the Protodevilins and they ended up being brainwashed and became the Varauta Army.

I used the term Varauta in reference to the planet where the Evil Series were created (which could be totally wrong, I don't recall at the moment of this writing), not to be confused with the "mind controlled" former Megaroad 13 personnel of Macross 7 fame.

Edited February 12, 2010 by Zinjo

[Zinjo]

Did they rejoin the ProtoDevelin after their release from Varuta or were they just trying to servive Zentradi through campaign of extermination?

They never rejoined the Protodeviln. I don't think the Protodeviln cared for them and vice versa. Heck, the SA wasn't even under-the-influence after the Protodevilns were sealed.

Which spawns the question "What motivates the SA now?" However that is a discussion for a different or new thread...

Edited February 12, 2010 by Zinjo

[RedWolf]

I used the term Varauta in reference to the planet where the Evil Series were created (which could be totally wrong, I don't recall at the moment of this writing), not to be confused with the "mind controlled" former Megaroad 13 personnel of Macross 7 fame.

Actually the 4th planet of the Varauta system. There is a colony established by Megaroad 13 in 2025. The Varauta system was subdued by the Protodevlin in 2043.

UN Spacy HQ sent the Varauta Research Fleet which was composed of Stealth Frigates, Guantanamo carriers, VF-14s and Blue Rhinocerous Squad marines to investigate the ruins on the 4th ice planet, led by Advisor Ivane Gyuntar.

Which brings into question if like with the Vajra all information about Varauta was classified.

Macross 7 didn't seem to know an entire colony planet ceased communications until Max started asking questions about the enemy VFs.

Varauta VF-14s are bulkier than those Max used to pilot during his stint in the Dancing Skulls.

[miles316]

Which spawns the question "What motivates the SA now?" However that is a discussion for a different or new thread...

What did the SA do during the PD confinement besides running from the Zentadi was SDF-1 coming to Earth a call for help or some kind ploy to give the Zentradi a new enemy to distract them?

Does the SA just want to be left alone, or did the UN in negotiating peace with many of the Zentradi fleet allow them to continue their war, or were they required to denounce their war against the SA?

If all it took was for some Teen Idol to sing a song and snap the Zentradi out of their militaristic ways could the SA not try to create peace, or were they equally devoid of culture as the Zentradi?

[azrael]

What did the SA do during the PD confinement besides running from the Zentadi was SDF-1 coming to Earth a call for help or some kind ploy to give the Zentradi a new enemy to distract them?

They fought the Zentradi. Having Macross crash land on Earth was more of a act of chance than "a call for help".

Does the SA just want to be left alone, or did the UN in negotiating peace with many of the Zentradi fleet allow them to continue their war, or were they required to denounce their war against the SA?

The NUN has yet to run into them, or has yet to talk about it.

If all it took was for some Teen Idol to sing a song and snap the Zentradi out of their militaristic ways could the SA not try to create peace, or were they equally devoid of culture as the Zentradi?

We don't know until that happens.

[Uxi]

Macross 7 didn't seem to know an entire colony planet ceased communications until Max started asking questions about the enemy VFs.

Maybe they didn't cease communications for very long (cue Geperenich laughing).

[Uxi]

The group, later known as Supervision Army, were brainwashed, or I should say mainipulated Protoculture citizens (and Zentradi, this part is kinda iffy) used to fight against Protoculture by the Protodeviln. They didn't call themselves the "Supervision Army" until after the Protodeviln were sealed. They differ from the Zentradi, for the most part, since they are not genetically made. The SA are real people and not genetic warriors.

They (at least the deceased crew of ASS-1) to be macronized, though, no? IIRC, Focker mentions that to Hikaru, when he was explaining the Battroid, that the ASS-1 was determined to crewed by giants wasn't it? Those lines made think of the SA as "Protodevlin controlled Zentraedi"

[Gubaba]

They (at least the deceased crew of ASS-1) to be macronized, though, no? IIRC, Focker mentions that to Hikaru, when he was explaining the Battroid, that the ASS-1 was determined to crewed by giants wasn't it? Those lines made think of the SA as "Protodevlin controlled Zentraedi"

No, Az is right. The SA was made up of both Zentradi and miclones (which, when you think about it, makes it kind of odd that Britai and Exsedol would be so freaked out by Earth people...).

[RedWolf]

No, Az is right. The SA was made up of both Zentradi and miclones (which, when you think about it, makes it kind of odd that Britai and Exsedol would be so freaked out by Earth people...).

Something tells me the Zentradi and SA didn't talk. Any physical interactions would be between giants. Otherwise its kill or be killed. Millia and Chlore were one upping each other on kill count.

Exsedol dismissed the idea that the ones attacking them were SA on account they are using miclone accomodating VFs. The Elgerzorene seemed familiar due to its paint job.

Also we cannot dismiss the idea that the SA are clones and abandoned normal sexual reproduction. Males and females living together was so alien to the Zentradi.

They may or nay not be brainwashed but if they are composed of programmable clones how different are they to the cultureless Zentradi?

[Uxi]

Something tells me the Zentradi and SA didn't talk. Any physical interactions would be between giants. Otherwise its kill or be killed. Millia and Chlore were one upping each other on kill count.

Exsedol dismissed the idea that the ones attacking them were SA on account they are using miclone accomodating VFs. The Elgerzorene seemed familiar due to its paint job.

Also we cannot dismiss the idea that the SA are clones and abandoned normal sexual reproduction. Males and females living together was so alien to the Zentradi.

They may or nay not be brainwashed but if they are composed of programmable clones how different are they to the cultureless Zentradi?

I dunno... it seems like controlled protoculture and SA giants would behave much like the Varauta pilots did: like biological robots and would be even MORE cultureless than the Zentraedi (who at least exhibited individuality - see Kamjin for the most extreme example). Everyone Gigil or Geperenich ever communicate with always speak in the same monotone and dont' even respond to being attacked by their superiors.

Let's speculate:

Zents might have numbers, but any time they fight the Protodevlin forces, they either disappear (joining the enemy) or are annihilated (they'd either be fighting useless attrition battles against controlled giants, get taken over or wiped out pretty quick either by a tiny ball of light (Gavil or Sivil), by a great big one (Guravil, or by some plain weird ones (Gigil, Valgo, Gorm/Zomd, much less Geperenich). The Anima Spiritia succeed in imprisoning the 7 Protodevlin in stasis/sleep. At some point, either Zent or SA (or both) wipe them out in the aftermath (since Exedol doesn't know anything about Anima Spiritia), Zent finally get the upper hand and/or turn the tide. I imagine at first, they continue to behave like the Varauta do during M7... then some either come to their senses or the brain control slowly wears off but they continue to get attacked by the Zents so have to fight a 'real' war, just for survival if nothing else.

[hulagu]

Where is it revealed in Macross 7 that the Protodeviln were responsible for the Supervision Army? I only remember the fall of the Protoculture being caused by the Protodeviln being unleashed by the Evil bioweapons program during their civil war.

[Gubaba]

Where is it revealed in Macross 7 that the Protodeviln were responsible for the Supervision Army? I only remember the fall of the Protoculture being caused by the Protodeviln being unleashed by the Evil bioweapons program during their civil war.

Yes. And the war between the Zentradi and the SA is always given as the cause of the destruction of the Protoculture. So the logical assumption is that the Protodeviln created the SA.

Thankfully, for those of us who want everything spelled out, the Macross Chronicle World Guide Sheet about the Zentradis spells it out quite clearly.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...mp;#entry680780

[azrael]

Yes. And the war between the Zentradi and the SA is always given as the cause of the destruction of the Protoculture. So the logical assumption is that the Protodeviln created elements that would become the SA.

Fixed. As I said, the SA came after the Protodeviln were sealed.

[Gubaba]

Fixed. As I said, the SA came after the Protodeviln were sealed.

Yeah. Sorry 'bout that.

[Moly_Sigang]

Here's a question, based on what we know on Macross Frontier, does this mean that a few of the long range research fleets have at least an older Macross class ship leading them like the SDFN-4 Global?

Also, is there any official publication that indicates that the SDFN-4 Global and other ships of its class have a design lineage from the (before refit) SDF-2?

[miles316]

Here's a question, based on what we know on Macross Frontier, does this mean that a few of the long range research fleets have at least an older Macross class ship leading them like the SDFN-4 Global?

Also, is there any official publication that indicates that the SDFN-4 Global and other ships of its class have a design lineage from the (before refit) SDF-2?

If their was thousands of Zentradi ships left over after the First Space war some as large or larger than the Macross why did they waste a perfectly good Macross class ship (SDF-1) as a colony ship?

I know it was incomplete.

[RedWolf]

Here's a question, based on what we know on Macross Frontier, does this mean that a few of the long range research fleets have at least an older Macross class ship leading them like the SDFN-4 Global?

Also, is there any official publication that indicates that the SDFN-4 Global and other ships of its class have a design lineage from the (before refit) SDF-2?

The SDF-2 appears to be an abandoned design. Now Sketchley may answer this better but from Chronicle Worldguide 13a: Super Long Range Emigration Fleet the Macross Class serves as part of the recon fleet of an emmigration fleet.

From what I hear 12 SDFNs were commisioned. The first one, the SDFN-01 Hayase, was commisioned in 2013. Production of the Macross Class ceased around the 2020's.

If their was thousands of Zentradi ships left over after the First Space war some as large or larger than the Macross why did they waste a perfectly good Macross class ship (SDF-1) as a colony ship?

I know it was incomplete.

Only a hundred ships under Vrlitwhai's fleet managed to survive. The rest of Bodolle fleet scattered to who knows where. Some likely ambushed that Supervision Army gunship which Vrlitwhai and Misa found wrecked during the Factory Satellite retrieval operation.

The SDF-2 not the SDF-1, which is sitting on Macross City, was unfinished and its contruction was delayed when the Zentradi came calling.

It was rebuilt as the Megaroad-01 emmigration ship.

Nupetiet-Vergnitzs 2012 refit and Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis are refitted Nupetiet-Vergnitzs class command battleships for emmigration fleet escort.

According to one interview with Shoji Kawamori some of the Zentradi ships were converted for emmigration. Meaning like the original Macross having a town built in it.

Other Zentradi ships are military. Like the 33rd Marines Queadol-Magdomilla ( or just half of it).

Edited February 13, 2010 by RedWolf

[Seto Kaiba]

Here's a question, based on what we know on Macross Frontier, does this mean that a few of the long range research fleets have at least an older Macross class ship leading them like the SDFN-4 Global?

Well... it's certainly possible that other mass-produced Macross-class ships were reassigned to escort the long-range research fleets after the Megaroad colonization fleets they were originally tasked with defending located a suitable planet and established a settlement. At the moment I don't think the fates of the other SDFNs have been revealed, but it's still at least somewhat plausible that others would've been reassigned if the risks were high enough. The Global was likely assigned to the 117th Research Fleet because the fleet was setting out to research a particularly dangerous subject (the Vajra) and the U.N. Spacy felt that the extra firepower would be needed.

Also, is there any official publication that indicates that the SDFN-4 Global and other ships of its class have a design lineage from the (before refit) SDF-2?

None that I'm aware of...

Since the creators of Macross like to play mix and match with designs from the original series and DYRL, it's hard to tell exactly what's going on sometimes. However, Macross Chronicle seems to be taking the line that generally the Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV series is the more accurate account of Space War 1. This would make it most likely that the mass-produced Macross-class ships were modeled on the post-2012 refit of the SDF-1 Macross, which pretty much is just the DYRL version. Exactly when they started building the SDFNs isn't known (yet) but it's likely that they started sometime around the launch of the Megaroad-01, as the SDFN-01 Hayase was supposedly completed in 2013.

If their was thousands of Zentradi ships left over after the First Space war some as large or larger than the Macross why did they waste a perfectly good Macross class ship (SDF-1) as a colony ship?

I know it was incomplete.

Not sure about "thousands"... the force disposition listed for the post-Space War 1 U.N. Spacy lists 100 functional Zentradi capital ships. Presumably it was easier or more efficient to build a ship for a miclone crew and colonists rather than try to convert existing Zentradi ships for miclones. Kawamori has alluded to the use of Zentradi warships as colony ships as well, albeit with giant crews.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[Pizza the Hutt]

1. What is the difference of Macross Plus series and Macross Plus the movie? because I am on the fence on getting one sooner or later and just wondering if it is longer or just spliced together.

2. What is the best fan subbed version of Macross Do you remember love? available in the US because the current one I got is from FX and I never am able to stream well on my PS3

3. Aside from DYRL? I saw a movie title on a anime online shop titled "Macross the movie" and was just thinking was that just another version of DYRL? or a different type of Macross movie because it had Hikaru and Minmay on front.

Laters

[RedWolf]

1. What is the difference of Macross Plus series and Macross Plus the movie? because I am on the fence on getting one sooner or later and just wondering if it is longer or just spliced together.

Several mostly reworked animation. In the movie no beginning where Isamu is fighting rebel Zentradi. In the movie Isamu was already a test pilot. In the OVA he was transferred. Guld is portrayed in a more positive light in the movie. Guld dies too fast and too furious in his Ghost X-9 battle.

Oh in the movie Isamu bagged that blonde operator Lucy Macmillan. Her being emotional made more sense.

[azrael]

3. Aside from DYRL? I saw a movie title on a anime online shop titled "Macross the movie" and was just thinking was that just another version of DYRL? or a different type of Macross movie because it had Hikaru and Minmay on front.

Same thing, different packaging and probably dubbed.

[miles316]

After the Earth was devastated was Commodore Global the highest ranking member of the UN Spacy to survive leaving him in control of the remnants of the UN Spacey or did the Bastards who were giving the orders survive?

[RDClip]

After the Earth was devastated was Commodore Global the highest ranking member of the UN Spacy to survive leaving him in control of the remnants of the UN Spacey or did the Bastards who were giving the orders survive?

As i recall it, Global was made the head of the UN gov't and Bretai was made head of the military.

[RedWolf]

Well Global tried as fast as he can to restore civilian leadership. Global was the UN government representative in 2014 according to Macross Chronology. Overseeing the launch of Megaroad -02 and Megaroad -03 launch.

I think I heard Global became the rep for Eden and died of old age.

Edited February 14, 2010 by RedWolf

[Gubaba]

I think I heard Global became the rep for Eden and died of old age.

I've never heard that...the last I heard of him is that he performed Shammy's wedding...

[RedWolf]

I've never heard that...the last I heard of him is that he performed Shammy's wedding...

Interesting... Does this mean being married by Global ensures fertlity?

[Marzan]

I've never heard that...the last I heard of him is that he performed Shammy's wedding...

That is the sweetest thing I've heard all day. Very aproppiate on Valentine's day.

Any info on who was the lucky guy who married lovely Shammy?

[Pizza the Hutt]

Thanks Azreal and RedWolf,

I bought Macross Plus last year when Seto said it was a good story and I actually understood the story after watching it in subs then again in dub because my sister has a hard time keeping up with subs.

And if that Macross movie was a dub then I will stay happy with what I got for DYRL?

One other question for now,

Are the songs in Macross II better than the first song (Banana Moon) I heard? Because I keep shopping around for Macross II but I heard they discontinued so I am at the mercy of Ebay again.

Laters

Pete (not the VFT1 Pete)

[Robelwell202]

For this, I can only reply with personal preferences, but maybe they'll help.

As for DYRL, I prefer the subtitled version. Dubs tend to get the vocal inflection wrong, as well as the words themselves. A pair of really bad examples of dubbed dialogue would be Das Boot (Absolutely friggin' horrible as a dubbed movie), and Macross 2: Lovers Again (Again, my preference for subtitled-dialogue overrrides all).

Edited February 14, 2010 by Robelwell202

[Gubaba]

For this, I can only reply with personal preferences, but maybe they'll help.

As for DYRL, I prefer the subtitled version. Dubs tend to get the vocal inflection wrong, as well as the words themselves. A pair of really bad examples of dubbed dialogue would be Das Boot (Absolutely friggin' horrible as a dubbed movie), and Macross 2: Lovers Again (Again, my preference for subtitled-dialogue overrrides all).

Haven't you seen the infamous DYRL dub?

Enjoy:

[Robelwell202]

Haven't you seen the infamous DYRL dub?

Enjoy:

<shreiks in terror>

[azrael]

One other question for now,

Are the songs in Macross II better than the first song (Banana Moon) I heard? Because I keep shopping around for Macross II but I heard they discontinued so I am at the mercy of Ebay again.

This is a personal preference so I don't think many can give you a definite answer. I did like Hiroko Kasahara's (Ishtar) songs better than the rest of the songs. You can find samples on Youtube.

[Pizza the Hutt]

<shreiks in terror>

That video was bad,

I almost died just now if you listen to what Hikaru said around 9:17 he said "made you fuh ker" but you get what it sounds like.

Azreal:

I will look into them again,because the ones I was sent by Seto a long time ago were removed or would not play on my PS3,same thing happens when I try to watch SPace Battleship Yamato.

Apreciate the tips.

Myung's song from Macross Plus was awesome (In japanese) and even tho I don't understand Japanese I got hooked when I heard the song "The best is yet to come" from Metal Gear Solid.

[Marzan]

Thanks Azreal and RedWolf,

I bought Macross Plus last year when Seto said it was a good story and I actually understood the story after watching it in subs then again in dub because my sister has a hard time keeping up with subs.

And if that Macross movie was a dub then I will stay happy with what I got for DYRL?

One other question for now,

Are the songs in Macross II better than the first song (Banana Moon) I heard? Because I keep shopping around for Macross II but I heard they discontinued so I am at the mercy of Ebay again.

Laters

Pete (not the VFT1 Pete)

Macross Plus has an absolutely awesome soundtrack. My personal favourite out of all the Macross soundtracks, although I think DYRL is really goo too.

Macross II is a bit of a mixed effort if you ask, me, but there's a couple of good songs there. Try checking them out in You Tube before you buy anything on ebay.