Newbie Questions on Macross

[Zinjo]

Puts on nerdy glasses and once again speaks in nerdy voice:

Actually - given that the universe is infinite, then the proportionate likelihood of running across such a conflict remains constant independent of how many fleets go out into the universe, unless we posit that the conflict takes place in a finite scope - for instance our galaxy (which can be conventionally measured).

That said - snort - it seems to me that it would be foolhardy, given the existence of other dimmensions (established in Macross 7) and the interdimensional fold ability of the Vajra race (MF) to presume that conflict between these races is limited to only our own galaxy given the Protoculture did have super dimmensional fold capacity and one might even therefore hypothesize that some where out there - remnants of the Stellar Republic still exist and have managed to escape the war - much like human culture "escaped" the war ravaged confines of Earth after SW I.

snort.

Pete

who actually has 20/20 vision and doesn't wear glasses

IIRC the Stellar Republic initially spanned galaxies, however since Mac 7 it seems SK & co. have limited it to just the milky way by most indications. Considering how vast our galaxy already is, it makes sense that such a civilization as the PC would stay within it.

The possibility exists of PC outposts in other galaxies, but one gets the impression that the core of the Republic resided in the Milky way only.

[RedWolf]

There is no indication that the PC are a extragalactic civilization.

All information about them indicate they were confined within the Milky Way's core regions.

That is why the Outer Edge and Rim regions are the galaxy's backwater regions with the great wars not affecting worlds like Earth and Zola.

Further enforced in MF that normal Fold drives have limitations.

[Gui]

One must also keep in mind that time is slower on the borders of the galaxy than at its core

[Zinjo]

There is no indication that the PC are a extragalactic civilization.

All information about them indicate they were confined within the Milky Way's core regions.

Further enforced in MF that normal Fold drives have limitations.

Once upon a time (very early in the franchise) they were extrgalactic, although the references currently escape me, but that has since been changed to more realistic borders...

As for fold drive limitations. Keep in mind, we don't know what kind of fold limitations the PC themselves had, if any. Since they patterened their fold engines after the Vajra's abilities, it is possible they may have achieved nearly as powerful fold engines as the Vajra are capable of.

The fold faults (albeit an arguable retcon) were overcome by fold quartz. A substance I highly doubt mankind was the first to discover.

Edited December 23, 2008 by Zinjo

[Master Dex]

One must also keep in mind that time is slower on the borders of the galaxy than at its core

Shouldn't it be the other way around since the core is closer to a super massive black hole and heavy gravity the likes of a black hole tend to cause relative time to slow down?

[Gui]

That's a good remark, but I doubt it: if the gravity of this super massive black hole was as much high as you suppose, there wouldn't be as much stars around it as we see because they would simply fall into it. If the stars wich surround this black hole aren't affected by its gravity pit, we can assume it doesn't influence time neither. But the details are probably more complicated of course...

My previous message was about the rotation of the galaxy in fact: like all spinning objects, the borders of the galaxy move faster than any other places located closer to its center; according to relativity thingies, this implies that time slows down in these regions compared to others which move less fast

[Dante74]

Anyone know what the Sv in Sv-51 stands for?

VF means Variable Fighter but what the heck does Sv mean?

[Letigre]

Anyone know what the Sv in Sv-51 stands for?

VF means Variable Fighter but what the heck does Sv mean?

Somebody in another thread suggested "SV" probably means " Sukhoi Variable." Whether that is actually the case, well, I think it's up to a future Macross Chronicles to answer.

[JB0]

Spiffy VTOL?

[VFTF1]

Somebody in another thread suggested "SV" probably means " Sukhoi Variable." Whether that is actually the case, well, I think it's up to a future Macross Chronicles to answer.

That's what I thought oo - Sukhoi Variable would make sense.

But then again so would Satan's Vicar.

Pete

[Dante74]

That's what I thought oo - Sukhoi Variable would make sense.

But then again so would Satan's Vicar.

Pete

LOL! Has a nice christmas theme to it too.

[taksraven]

Anyone know what the Sv in Sv-51 stands for?

VF means Variable Fighter but what the heck does Sv mean?

Super-Voc??

Taksraven

[VF-25Fan]

I'm just curious. Does anybody here have any theories on what happened to SDF-2 Megaroad-01?

[RedWolf]

I'm just curious. Does anybody here have any theories on what happened to SDF-2 Megaroad-01?

Take your pick.

Met the Supervision Army.

Met a Zentradi fleet.

Met the Protoculture.

Met the Vajra along the way.

For all we know Megaroad 1 was wrecked. The bigger question where is its Nupetiet-Vergnitzs escort.

Macross Chronicle finally pegged the Megaroad class at 1600 meters. Nupetiet-Vergnitzs is way bigger with a length of 4 km.

[Morpheus]

I'm just curious. Does anybody here have any theories on what happened to SDF-2 Megaroad-01?

They are playing around a blackhole, got suck into it, emerge 1 billion year in the past, became progenitor of Protoculture and the Zentraedi escort became the Zentraedi. The circle is complete.

[JB0]

They are playing around a blackhole, got suck into it, emerge 1 billion year in the past, became progenitor of Protoculture and the Zentraedi escort became the Zentraedi. The circle is complete.

I ha-*BLARRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

I hate you. Let me forget!

[Sdf Prime]

I was wondering if anyone had any info on what the story was supposed to be for the never completed Macross: Final Outpost: Earth movie? I looked in the compendium and I noticed there was a script writer listed for the first draft any idea if that was ever completed? Also how far did this movie actually get to being made and was this supposed to be a American movie or a Japanese movie?

[SkullLeaderVF-X]

I have a question. How do Pilots manipulate the hands and fingers to grip in Gerwalk and battriod form? Like in DYRL, how Hikaru was able to grip Minmay and in MF when Alto grips Ranka. Are the throttle and Stick able to pick up minute finger pressure and interpret them as individual finger movement? Or is it like my dear friend Gubaba says "Your reading to much into it."? Just curious is all.

[azrael]

I was wondering if anyone had any info on what the story was supposed to be for the never completed Macross: Final Outpost: Earth movie? I looked in the compendium and I noticed there was a script writer listed for the first draft any idea if that was ever completed? Also how far did this movie actually get to being made and was this supposed to be a American movie or a Japanese movie?

Japanese movie. But it never got as far as an idea. We label it as "indefinite hiatus".

I have a question. How do Pilots manipulate the hands and fingers to grip in Gerwalk and battriod form? Like in DYRL, how Hikaru was able to grip Minmay and in MF when Alto grips Ranka. Are the throttle and Stick able to pick up minute finger pressure and interpret them as individual finger movement? Or is it like my dear friend Gubaba says "Your reading to much into it."? Just curious is all.

Mode-select. Obviously, you can't play with the buttons while you have the gunpod or weapon in hand. As for how the finger buttons work with the hands, they don't say. It could be pressure sensitive (which is the most likely case) where the harder you squeeze the button, the more the finger moves closer to the palm, making a fist, or it could be mechanical, i.e. you press the corresponding button X-times to make the finger move closer in to the palm.

[Mr March]

In Macross Frontier, we saw Sheryl going through mechanical hand training using eggs, which suggests Alto and the other pilot training students had long ago been trained how to safely operate the manipulators. The scene strongly suggests a pressure sensitive control of some kind, since the pilot must master it in order to avoid undue pressure on the grasped object.

[Valkyrie addict]

you can see alto carefully moving his fingers pushing buttons on the stick when he's saving ranka on episode 2, there seems to be a button for every finger

[SkullLeaderVF-X]

Yeah. What made me question was in the final episode when Klan tosses Micheal sniper rifle and Alto catches it. His arm is raised in the cockpit and is not gripping the throttle. Leading me to wonder just how he was able to grip/catch it if the fingers/hands are pressure sensitive controlled let alone move the arm to a upright position for the catch.

[Master Dex]

Yeah. What made me question was in the final episode when Klan tosses Micheal sniper rifle and Alto catches it. His arm is raised in the cockpit and is not gripping the throttle. Leading me to wonder just how he was able to grip/catch it if the fingers/hands are pressure sensitive controlled let alone move the arm to a upright position for the catch.

That spawned a lot of debate about the motion sensing capabilities the VF-25 appears to have but is never elaborated on. There seems to be some type of motion sensing technology (most easily seen with eye tracking missile locks) but how they switch between that and normal control is unknown. I imagine there is a setting to activate motion control systems, however they are supposed to work, and otherwise they use normal controls.

[RogueTrooper]

Anyone know what the tank that is briefly seen when the Bodal fleet attacks earth in ep27 SDFM?

[taksraven]

Yeah. What made me question was in the final episode when Klan tosses Micheal sniper rifle and Alto catches it. His arm is raised in the cockpit and is not gripping the throttle. Leading me to wonder just how he was able to grip/catch it if the fingers/hands are pressure sensitive controlled let alone move the arm to a upright position for the catch.

No, its in the helmet and its called a "thinking cap". Read the ROBOTECH novels and you will understand how it works, even if the characters are NOT wearing helmets! :lol: :lol:

Taksraven

[Mr March]

Anyone know what the tank that is briefly seen when the Bodal fleet attacks earth in ep27 SDFM?

There's a tiny screen shot of the tank and a brief blurb (written in Japanese of course) in Issue #11 of the Macross Chronicle. That's the first time I've seen any official mention of it in a Macross book. Even the old Macross Perfect Memory book doesn't have any line art of that UN tank.

[Gubaba]

There's a tiny screen shot of the tank and a brief blurb (written in Japanese of course) in Issue #11 of the Macross Chronicle. That's the first time I've seen any official mention of it in a Macross book. Even the old Macross Perfect Memory book doesn't have any line art of that UN tank.

Is that on the "Military Vehicles" page? If so, it doesn't say anything about what it's called or what type of tank it is. All it says is, more or less, "During Space War I, seeing small tanks in places like the city was a normal occurrence."

[azrael]

Is that on the "Military Vehicles" page? If so, it doesn't say anything about what it's called or what type of tank it is. All it says is, more or less, "During Space War I, seeing small tanks in places like the city was a normal occurrence."

Classic case of "I don't believe it says what you think it says."

[Gubaba]

Classic case of "I don't believe it says what you think it says."

Enh, it always happens that way. I remember when I was a kid, looking at Macross and Gundam books, and thinking that every question I ever had was probably answered somewhere in the text (which of course I couldn't read).

Imagine my disappointment years later when I looked back at those books and realized just how little they said...

[sketchley]

Classic case of "I don't believe it says what you think it says."

trust me, it says that. (looks forlornly at the pile of Macross Chronicle translation notes).

[azrael]

trust me, it says that. (looks forlornly at the pile of Macross Chronicle translation notes).

Umm, that was in reference to Gubaba's reply to Mr. March's reply. I find it humorous when people think a piece of text says something when it says nothing of consequence.

[sketchley]

Knew where the comment was coming from. And if you're allowed to say nothing of consequence, I'm allowed to lament about the backlog of translation notes.

Edited January 4, 2009 by sketchley

[RogueTrooper]

Kinda thought there would be little or no info on the tank, the cannon caught my attention was was thinking about bashing custom together. Guess i could use any modern tank or apc and put it in a diorama.

Do you think you could have aircraft or vehicle in the space war one which are in service today or maybe before macross zero. Like the f-14 in zero could i bash a euro-fighter with UN logo on it?

[sketchley]

Kinda thought there would be little or no info on the tank, the cannon caught my attention was was thinking about bashing custom together. Guess i could use any modern tank or apc and put it in a diorama.

Do you think you could have aircraft or vehicle in the space war one which are in service today or maybe before macross zero. Like the f-14 in zero could i bash a euro-fighter with UN logo on it?

Someone has made a (partial) list of the vehicles either seen in M0 & SDF:M or could be in SWI. The lists also include fictional vehicles seen in the various Macross animations:

http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/stats_aircraft.php

http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/stats_navy.php

http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/stats_ground.php

As for kit bashing - keep in mind that the world in Macross differes greatly the moment that the ASS-1 appears. Everything developed after that, in the real world, does not exist (or exists but is changed somehow by OTEC, unification, the UN Wars, threat of giant aliens, etc.).

Edited January 5, 2009 by sketchley

[YJK]

Hi there. Not really a newbie to Macross, just my first time getting into it 100% (I've owned Macross Plus on VHS for years, and have seen Macross II and subtitled Macross: DYRL, which I loved, and Flashback).

Right now I'm basically seeing three titles at once- Macross Frontier (almost finished, on ep 24), Macross Zero (finished ep 1) and the original Superdimension Fortress Macross (just finished episode 11). And I gotta say, this is awesome. I've always enjoyed what I've seen of Macross, but right now I'm just completely under the spell of the whole franchise. It's an action show, a character drama, a war drama, and love story all rolled into one. And not just me- my mom too (she's the furthest thing from a sci fi fan you'll ever meet, and she just spent the day watching the first six episodes on DVD).

Loving everything Macross right now. But you'll notice that the one series not listed above is Macross 7. Not that I haven't given the series a shot, but Basara so rubbed me the wrong way after the first couple of episodes, I pretty much gave up on it. But I was intrigued by the idea of characters from the original show like Max, Miria (who so far I've only seen in DYRL but I think is awesome) and Exedore continuing on in their own stories years later. So I want to know- is it worth going on with Mac 7 after I've finished the others? Or have I wisely jumped ship after a couple of episodes?

Edited January 5, 2009 by YJK