nanashino Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 'Giant' is written as 巨人 (kyujin) as in giant race/people meaning Zjentohlauedy. -Nanashi's Information Group WAT?
nanashino Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Back to the subject of gun pods from Macross Chronicle #22.... I'm surprised that no one has made a comment concerning the mislabeling of the VF-11B's 30mm Vulcan gun pod as "GU-15". The GU-15 is of course the YF-19/VF-19's gun pod. This isn't the first mistake I've noticed with the Chronicles. There are actually quite a few. Perhaps a separate pinned errata thread is needed. -Nanashi's Information Group
azrael Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Back to the subject of gun pods from Macross Chronicle #22.... I'm surprised that no one has made a comment concerning the mislabeling of the VF-11B's 30mm Vulcan gun pod as "GU-15". The GU-15 is of course the YF-19/VF-19's gun pod. This isn't the first mistake I've noticed with the Chronicles. There are actually quite a few. Perhaps a separate pinned errata thread is needed. -Nanashi's Information Group What can I say, the editors aren't paying attention. It's been like that since #1. I believe they labeled a VF-1S as a VF-1J, the VF-22's gunpod as a GV-17L, then a BP-14D. There are typos every couple of issues so I'm not surprised.
Seto Kaiba Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) It says "8-engined all-wing giant['s] bomber" referring to the Northrop [Grumman] err, I mean Wingthrop SB-10/10 seen in Macross Plus and designated with the PlayStation video game Macross VF-X 2. The word 'giant' does not refer to the enormous size of the aerospace craft, but rather to its operators: giant Zjentohlauedy affiliated with the U.N. Spacy/UNAF/U.N.S. Air Force. Somehow, that seems neither wise nor efficient... is there actually precedent for that thing having Zentradi pilots? That just doesn't sound right to me for some reason... Back to the subject of gun pods from Macross Chronicle #22.... I'm surprised that no one has made a comment concerning the mislabeling of the VF-11B's 30mm Vulcan gun pod as "GU-15". The GU-15 is of course the YF-19/VF-19's gun pod. This isn't the first mistake I've noticed with the Chronicles. There are actually quite a few. Perhaps a separate pinned errata thread is needed. Yeah, I did a bit of a double-take when my copy first arrived, and then Mr. March, Talos, and let loose a collective "WTF!" while discussing Chronicle in a group chat. Still, Chronicle makes mistakes and omissions every now and again, like their sudden change in labeling of the VF-22's gunpod, and their misidentifying the armaments of the VF-2SS. So a typo here and there does not surprise me much anymore. They're rushing to meet a very tight production schedule, so one can hardly blame them for a few mistakes. I'm actually amazed there haven't been MORE problems. Edited July 7, 2009 by Seto Kaiba
Mr March Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Yeah, Seto told us about the GU-15 error a couple weeks ago. It just seems like a typo. But speaking of which, what happened with the VF-22 gunpod? Is it GV-17L or is it BP-14D? Is there any way to make a call on it?
azrael Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 But speaking of which, what happened with the VF-22 gunpod? Is it GV-17L or is it BP-14D? Is there any way to make a call on it? Well, Chronicle #13 uses GV-17L. Later issues use BP-14D (on the Gunpod sheet and the 2nd VF-22S sheet (Max/Millia colors). Although, who's to say Max and Millia weren't using a BP-14D while Gamlin was using a GV-17L when both are made by Hughes/GE, look the same and use caseless rounds.....
Graham Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Well, Chronicle #13 uses GV-17L. Later issues use BP-14D (on the Gunpod sheet and the 2nd VF-22S sheet (Max/Millia colors). Although, who's to say Max and Millia weren't using a BP-14D while Gamlin was using a GV-17L when both are made by Hughes/GE, look the same and use caseless rounds..... Who's to say there's are not two different gunpods? I may be remembering wrongly, as it's a long time since I watched it, and possibly it's an animation error, but IIRC in Macross Dynamite 7, they had the Gunpod of Gamlin's VF-22S firing and sounding like a beam gun and the forearm guns sounding like rapid fire projectile cannon. Graham
Gubaba Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Macross Chronicle #27: Mechanic Sheet * VF-19 Excalibur * Noputi Baganis 5631 * Macross 7 Fleet Aircraft * CVS-101 Prometheus Character Sheet * Lynn Minmay * Britai Kridanik * Hikaru Ichijo / Misa Hayase * Docker [DO-KAAAAAAAAAA!!! ] Timeline Sheet * The Truth about 7 Years Previous History Sheet * The Vajra Battleships Attack World Guide Sheet * Macross City Glossary Sheet * Imulator~Space Destroyer Song Sheet * Riding in your Valkyrie / Now, a Friend Goods Sheet * CM's Corporation Macross Collection * Macross Crusade (Start Up Sheet) Edited July 8, 2009 by Gubaba
azrael Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Mechanic Sheet * VF-19 Excalibur * Macross 7 Fleet Aircraft * CVS-101 Prometheus VF-19S!!! There's more? There's a B-sheet? (respectively) Character Sheet * Lynn Minmay I lost track of what sheet were on for her.... Timeline Sheet * The Truth about 7 Years Previous Which 7 years?
Gubaba Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I lost track of what sheet were on for her.... F, I believe...? And we haven't even got into DYRL and FB2012 for her... Which 7 years? Since we're still on Macross Plus, shouldn't the answer be obvious...?
azrael Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Since we're still on Macross Plus, shouldn't the answer be obvious...? Milkin' this OAV aren't they....
Gubaba Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Milkin' this OAV aren't they.... Well, they're not stretching it out NEARLY as much as they did the latter episodes of SDFM. And hey! There hasn't been ANYTHING about the VF-1 in the Mechanic Sheets for quite a while now!
Graham Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Macross Chronicle #27: Mechanic Sheet * VF-19 Excalibur Yay VF-19S! Graham
Mr March Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Timeline Sheet * The Truth about 7 Years Previous Could it be? A possible answer to the age old Macross fan debate: did Guld actually rape Myung or was it just an assault?
Seto Kaiba Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Could it be? A possible answer to the age old Macross fan debate: did Guld actually rape Myung or was it just an assault? Nah, they'll leave it intentionally vague, just like they did last time... I'm looking forward to the first (probably of two) Flashback 2012 character sheets... and hopefully soon we'll get a VF-4 Lightning III sheet.
Major Focker Posted July 18, 2009 Posted July 18, 2009 were there any new pics in MC26 of the "8-wing Giant Bomber"/SB-10?
azrael Posted July 18, 2009 Posted July 18, 2009 were there any new pics in MC26 of the "8-wing Giant Bomber"/SB-10? No, not really.
Zinjo Posted July 19, 2009 Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) The thing I am finding about Chronicle is that with a year under its belt they could already publish an artbook with all the paintings that have appeared in it thus far! Edited July 19, 2009 by Zinjo
sharky Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Can anyone shed some light on why this would be discontinued on HLJ? Are the contents of this particular issue something of a hot item that they are sold out? Note that it is not listed as "backordered" or "out of stock". http://www.hlj.com/product/SHPMC23 It's the only issue on HLJ that is listed as "discontinued". I'm just hoping that my order went through in time to have a copy reserved for my order shipment. I'd like to point out that it is listed as "In Stock" at HMV. Edited July 20, 2009 by sharky
azrael Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Can anyone shed some light on why this would be discontinued on HLJ? Are the contents of this particular issue something of a hot item that they are sold out? Note that it is not listed as "backordered" or "out of stock". http://www.hlj.com/product/SHPMC23 It's the only issue on HLJ that is listed as "discontinued". I'm just hoping that my order went through in time to have a copy reserved for my order shipment. I'd like to point out that it is listed as "In Stock" at HMV. From the HLJ website: Out-of-stock items are displayed with squares (in-stock items with circles). Black squares with a "jolly roger" skull and crossbones indicate items that we have no stock of, and can no longer acquire from our suppliers. Because there is no chance of getting such items in the near future, we don't accept orders for them. Keep in mind, however, that other merchants could very well have stock of such items, particularly stores outside of Japan. In addition, companies such as Tamiya, Bandai and others will frequently place older products on a long-term reissue cycle. Products like these may be issued only once every few years. Between these long reissues, the products will show as discontinued on our web site if we're out of stock, but they may very well be available again at some point in the (distant) future. In layman's terms, HLJ doesn't know when they will get another shipment of that item. They do it sometimes to prevent people from ordering when they have no clue on when their next shipment from their distributor will come. You can always e-mail HLJ and ask when they may get it back in stock.
Mr March Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Well, Chronicle #13 uses GV-17L. Later issues use BP-14D (on the Gunpod sheet and the 2nd VF-22S sheet (Max/Millia colors). Although, who's to say Max and Millia weren't using a BP-14D while Gamlin was using a GV-17L when both are made by Hughes/GE, look the same and use caseless rounds..... Who's to say there's are not two different gunpods? I may be remembering wrongly, as it's a long time since I watched it, and possibly it's an animation error, but IIRC in Macross Dynamite 7, they had the Gunpod of Gamlin's VF-22S firing and sounding like a beam gun and the forearm guns sounding like rapid fire projectile cannon. Graham Okay, I think I've discovered a possible reason why Kawamori and Co. changed the designation for the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II gun pod from GV-17L to BP-14D. I believe they realized that the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II gun pod shares the same number as the VF-25 Messiah gun pod. They appear to have changed the GV-17L gun pod to the BP-14D gun pod designation in order to avoid confusing it with the GU-17A/V on the VF-25 Messiah. Maybe. Alternatively, it could be as Graham said and the BP-14D gun pod could be a beam gun based on the brief appearance of Gamlin's VF-22 Sturmvogel II in the Macross Dynamite 7 OVA series. That would mean the GV-17L is still valid and meant to distinguish the projectile weapon from the beam-type BP-14D gun pod. Of course, this would require the Chronicle to make a distinction, but I don't think it does. However, the beam designation isn't without precedent, since there is the BGP-01β 55mm heavy quantum reaction beam gun pod / beam grenade of the VF-27 Lucifer in Macross Frontier, which some of us have assumed to mean BGP = Beam Gun Pod. If so, BP might = Beam Pod. Maybe. Anyway, some stuff to consider
azrael Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Okay, I think I've discovered a possible reason why Kawamori and Co. changed the designation for the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II gun pod from GV-17L to BP-14D. I believe they realized that the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II gun pod shares the same number as the VF-25 Messiah gun pod. They appear to have changed the GV-17L gun pod to the BP-14D gun pod designation in order to avoid confusing it with the GU-17A/V on the VF-25 Messiah. Maybe. ...blah blah blah... Unfortunately, the BP-14D, is referred to as a "multipurpose gun pod" so I won't be so sure that it's a beam weapon. And as a slight correction since I didn't get the issue till recently, it's also made by Howard (i.e. Howard BP-14D multipurpose gun pod).
ff95gj Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Can anyone shed some light on why this would be discontinued on HLJ? Are the contents of this particular issue something of a hot item that they are sold out? Note that it is not listed as "backordered" or "out of stock". http://www.hlj.com/product/SHPMC23 It's the only issue on HLJ that is listed as "discontinued". I'm just hoping that my order went through in time to have a copy reserved for my order shipment. I'd like to point out that it is listed as "In Stock" at HMV. Just speculation; the book may not be re-printed (or, with no definite plan to), so it is discontinued to HLJ. Because it is not something they can restock, so it's not stated as out of stock either. HMV just hasn't sold out the stocks yet so it is still in stock. BTW, issue #23 is a HOT issue; I used to purchase my Macross Chronicle in a shop and their MC stocks usually last for a week or more. For this issue it was sold out in 2 days.
Renato Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Unfortunately, the BP-14D, is referred to as a "multipurpose gun pod" so I won't be so sure that it's a beam weapon. And as a slight correction since I didn't get the issue till recently, it's also made by Howard (i.e. Howard BP-14D multipurpose gun pod). I noticed that some of the gunpods and stuff on the YF-21 and VF-22 is made by "Howard" on one model, and "Hughes" on the other. Hmm..
azrael Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 I noticed that some of the gunpods and stuff on the YF-21 and VF-22 is made by "Howard" on one model, and "Hughes" on the other. Yep. YF-21 - Howard/Zeneraru(?) GV-17L VF-22S (Gamlin) - Hughes/GE GV-17L VF-22S (Max/Milia) - Howard BP-14D
Mr March Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately, the BP-14D, is referred to as a "multipurpose gun pod" so I won't be so sure that it's a beam weapon. And as a slight correction since I didn't get the issue till recently, it's also made by Howard (i.e. Howard BP-14D multipurpose gun pod). Well, they do name the VF-17 Nightmare gun pod the MC-17, which Seto Kaiba speculated might mean "Multipurpose Cannon", since the gun is both a projectile weapon and a beam gun (Beam Adaptor). So the BP-14D might mean "Beam/Projectile" gun pod. Perhaps. Edited July 22, 2009 by Mr March
Gubaba Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Oh, Az-ra-elllllll...it's baAAAAaaack... Chronicles #28: Mechanic Sheet * VF-1S Strike Valkyrie * VF-0A Phoenix * Vehicles of Planet Zola Character Sheet * Hikaru Ichijo * Roy Focker * Sara Nome * Elma Hoyley Timeline Sheet * The Macross Rises History Sheet * Operation Stargazer Technology Sheet * Zentradi Mobile Weapons Glossary Sheet * AIF-9V ~ SF-3A Lancer II Song Sheet * New Frontier / Feel Universe Goods Sheet * Takatoku Toys 1/55 VF-1 Series * CM's Corporation Macross Collection
David Hingtgen Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Was Phoenix ever declared the "official" name before this? I still like the idea that it's actually named "Zero" like the A6M... (and AFAIK, canonically, the VF-25 is still just *nicknamed* Messiah) This is all one giant "A-10: Warthog vs Thunderbolt" question.
Gubaba Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Was Phoenix ever declared the "official" name before this? I still like the idea that it's actually named "Zero" like the A6M... Yeah...the VF-0S page for the Chronicle way back last year called it the Phoenix, as well.
azrael Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Oh, Az-ra-elllllll...it's baAAAAaaack... What do you mean? You're the one who was yapping about it. And hey! There hasn't been ANYTHING about the VF-1 in the Mechanic Sheets for quite a while now! Now who's got the big mouth?
Major Focker Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 great mechanics DX9 has 22 pages on VFs from 0 to 27 and looks like some info on the PPB punch and MDEs. quite a bit of line art but it seems nothing new. issue also has mecha from Rideback. back to MC, i'm up to #25 but contemplating whether i should continue. have any of the previous Chronicle-type publications ever been compiled into book form?
Gubaba Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Well, the Britai page confirms that Ogotai related to him by cloning. They also show a picture of Elmo, but say that it unknown whether or not he and Britai are from the same family...
GGemini Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) back to MC, i'm up to #25 but contemplating whether i should continue. have any of the previous Chronicle-type publications ever been compiled into book form? Not a compilation, but I think there's an illustration book from the Evangelion Chronicles: http://www.jpqueen.com/onlineshop/productinfo.asp?PID=91528 edit: changed link for a better one Edited July 24, 2009 by GGemini
Gubaba Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Not a compilation, but I think there's an illustration book from the Evangelion Chronicles: http://www.jpqueen.com/onlineshop/productinfo.asp?PID=91528 edit: changed link for a better one There are also two Eva Chronicles books (although the first one seem to have gone out of print): Essential Chronicles Side A and Essential Chronicles Side B. I have both of those, but I never got the magazine, so I don't know how much ended up in the books, and how much got left out. Anyway, that indicates there's hope for Macross Chronicles book (or two. Or three).
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