Macross Frontier Episode 7 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[Morpheus]

Aimo will became Macross F ending since ep.7 right?

I can foresee Infinity being used for the op theme.

[Kronnang Dunn]

We know nothing about him he could simply be a soldier doing as he is told. If the civil war theory holds true then Galaxy is going to want to get rid of SMS because they have top tech. On a whole though he had plenty of time and as fast as he was he could have taken down Mikhial who spotted him as well. There is something more to Brera then what we are seeing.

Actually I hardly believe Galaxy could be a threat since its fleet got severely damaged by the Vajra. More than civil war seems like a weapons development race to me (between Galaxy NUNS & Frontier SMS.... Since Bilrer seems to be from Galaxy... who knows, hehe... maybe he left Galaxy NUNS & made SMS to counter it).

Thanks to the subtitles I just realized that Brera's mission was really to analize the Vajra carrier (a type of ship never encountered before by NUNS... That's why Leon said "finally" & Mr. Bilrer seemed very very amused by it). Cathy Glass statements about gathering info before giving aid also make me think of this. The fact that Brera was folding at the end of the episode could indicate that he also was going to Frontier...

Brera must have shot the gunpod to avoid anything that could keep him from fullfiling his mission. Luca & Alto really didn't matter anything to him.

Since the Vajra carrier overcame the Fold dislocation it must be extremely advanced (hence NUNS interest in it). Luca said something about a fold reactor (the thing made of pink crystal I believe). I'm begining to see Protoculture/Birdman in there...

Btw... does anybody here know the name of Mr. Richard Bilrer's seyuu?

Edited May 21, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Graham]

Ya' know I'm wondering if Brera is even physically in the cockpit of the VF-27.

Perhaps he's actually somewhere else controlling it cybernetically or mentally by some sort of remote control system.

I just thought this, cus' the place we see him floating looks a little too big to be a typical VF cockpit.

Graham

[Graham]

Given the surprisingly low ratings for episode 7, I'm wondering if something like what happened with Macross Plus is happening here, in that for some reason Frontier appeals more to overseas fans than it does to Japanese?

Graham

[Kronnang Dunn]

Ya' know I'm wondering if Brera is even physically in the cockpit of the VF-27.

Perhaps he's actually somewhere else controlling it cybernetically or mentally by some sort of remote control system.

I just thought this, cus' the place we see him floating looks a little too big to be a typical VF cockpit.

Graham

Yes... Another reason to think of the VF-27 as a Vajra technology demostrator...

Given the surprisingly low ratings for episode 7, I'm wondering if something like what happened with Macross Plus is happening here, in that for some reason Frontier appeals more to overseas fans than it does to Japanese?

Graham

NO WAY!!!! Can't believe it got low ratings... Episode 7 was great!!!

Edited May 21, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[BlueMax]

Ranka the "experiment". With Ozma assigned to protect the experiment. Wouldn't that be a nasty (but unlikely) plot development. I think that Ozma might know more than he is letting on though. Same as Leon clearly is.

Taksraven

You watch too much Heroes.... lol... sounds like the HRG

[Valkyrie addict]

Maybe Brena was playing a Kira Yamato by just disabling the enemy instead of killing them

I know Brena will be Alto archnemesis simply cause they are firing at each other at the opening credits, hehehe

the VF-27 must have active stealth, since noone notice they were around and it was so easily hidden, perhaps the VF-27 is special ops valk and Brenas orders were to infiltrate a Vajra capital ship and gather as much data possible, hence the NUNS dude satisfaction for a Vajra capital ship showing up, and perhaps Brena fired at Alto since his actions could jeopardize his covert mission and when he noticed the Quarter pounder coming he had no choice to bug out since the ship would go boom boom either way...

just my crazy assumption so far, hehehe

[taksraven]

You watch too much Heroes.... lol... sounds like the HRG

Y'know, I've never watched Heroes. So I don't think that influenced my ideas.

Taksraven

[StrangeWill]

Ugh having a real difficulty between the video I streamed last night, and the video I downloaded tonight...

I really doubt the Dulfim would ask the VB-6 to be gentle =\ "I'll leave it to you" seems a little more plausible considering they're being rescued. Also mixing song lyrics and character speech on the same part of the screen with the same font bugs me.

Anyway, dumping all my Veoh downloads for nice high-rez Gattai releases.

Edit:

Err, now I'm thrown between Gattai (Good quality but iffy subs?), GG (slight reduction in quality, less iffy subs) or AiA (much larger reduction in quality, unknown sub quality).

Humph.

Edited May 21, 2008 by StrangeWill

[BlueMax]

Y'know, I've never watched Heroes. So I don't think that influenced my ideas.

Taksraven

Really?? oh well..... i recomend season 1 then

[BlueMax]

I really doubt the Dulfim would ask the VB-6 to be gentle =\ "I'll leave it to you" seems a little more plausible considering they're being rescued.

I'll go back and compare that portion with a chinese sub that I have. Hm...

[d3v]

Ya' know I'm wondering if Brera is even physically in the cockpit of the VF-27.

Perhaps he's actually somewhere else controlling it cybernetically or mentally by some sort of remote control system.

I just thought this, cus' the place we see him floating looks a little too big to be a typical VF cockpit.

Graham

Well, the way the cinematography was done for that episode seems to indicate that he is inside the cockpit, unless that is, they're purposely misleading us.

[Duke Togo]

Civil war: Frontier vs Galaxy, winner: Vajra

Macross tradition dictates that one of those sides will have to join the other against the third.

[ma2ha3]

Thus far Brera is rather unknown.

We know he preceeded Alto into the Vajra mothership because he was spotted by Michel who didn't know who he was. Then succeeded in taking down several hammerheads inside before becoming tangled in the ship's tentacles. He seemed unconscious like Luca until he heard the singing and then acted. It is hard to tell if he shot the RVF-25's gun on purpose or in an attempt to help Alto get out of the tentacles.

Either way he made no attempt to identify himself to the Frontier SMS squad and his motives are certainly not clear at the moment.

That doesn't discount a three way battle, or at least groups with multiple hidden agendas that will undermine the others during the course of the show.

Brera was not tangled in ship tentacles. He was not unconscious, he was hiding in the shadows. gathering intelligent. he must have save alto by destroying his gun.

[wolfx]

Ya' know I'm wondering if Brera is even physically in the cockpit of the VF-27.

Perhaps he's actually somewhere else controlling it cybernetically or mentally by some sort of remote control system.

I just thought this, cus' the place we see him floating looks a little too big to be a typical VF cockpit.

Graham

Probably its something like Sheryl on her ride to the Frontier in the DE....a virtual interface created to reflect the cockpit when actually the pilot is actually "sleeping" in the cockpit.

[BlueMax]

I'll go back and compare that portion with a chinese sub that I have. Hm...

Seems that the chinese Subs aren't too from "please be gentle"

[MilSpex]

I really doubt the Dulfim would ask the VB-6 to be gentle =\ "I'll leave it to you" seems a little more plausible considering they're being rescued. Also mixing song lyrics and character speech on the same part of the screen with the same font bugs me.

In Japanese they say something like "yasashi shite" which is "please be gentle". Makes sense since the VB-6 obvioulsy tears up anything it walks on or fires from.

The translation I had trouble with was when Sheryl says "bunka shiteiru?" in Japanese but its translated as "Are you being cultural?". I think that she actually asked: "Do you know culture?"

[wolfx]

it sounded like "Kouchira Dulfim, something something tanum"....doesn't sound anything like "yasashi".

[chrono]

Given the surprisingly low ratings for episode 7, I'm wondering if something like what happened with Macross Plus is happening here, in that for some reason Frontier appeals more to overseas fans than it does to Japanese?

Graham

I'm not surprised. Given how the ratings have been low since the beginning and the "plot" has only kicked in. Throw in the multiple other "School Drama's" that have come before and that they have been less flat and far more engrossing than M:F. AND that it's also being shown when Gundam 00, and CodeG are also on. The low ratings are not surprising at all!

Music & Mecha action can only carry an anime so far and the characters and story have to carry it the rest of the way.

[ChrisG]

I'm not surprised. Given how the ratings have been low since the beginning and the "plot" has only kicked in. Throw in the multiple other "School Drama's" that have come before and that they have been less flat and far more engrossing than M:F. AND that it's also being shown when Gundam 00, and CodeG are also on. The low ratings are not surprising at all!

Music & Mecha action can only carry an anime so far and the characters and story have to carry it the rest of the way.

I don't see how Gundam 00 factors into anything, as it ended before Frontier began its regular broadcast run and won't be back until Frontier ends.

[andrian]

Does it really have low ratings? This has actually been bothering me for quite a bit. None of my friends actually likes Macross in general and prefer Gundam, Naruto etc etc

I was even surprised when Macross was named the 80th most popular anime which was conducted online here http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-...i-top-100-anime

And its not even in the top 100 of the other one

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-...00-anime-part-2

I dont know how accurate this ranking is, but to think that macross is not even in the top 50 is really disturbing

Either that, or the rest of us here are really just very bias towards macross

[Duke Togo]

You can't go by those "top" lists, time plays too much of a factor in it.

[Mr March]

Macross has been off the radar since the mid-1990s. That's basically a lifetime in the world of popular entertainment. WIth the exception of history and an aging fan following, Macross Frontier will have to earn it's audience as much as almost any other show. Personally, I'm not worried. Word of mouth has been very positive for the show so far and the ratings have been respectable.

[Lonewolf]

I had finally the chance to watch the episode yesterday. Mecha porn is always nice and I love the CGI thus far.

[MisaForever]

OMG those polls cannot be even close to accurate. Fullmetal Alchemist as #1? Ummm... no. I have my own list of favorites that aren't even in the top 20 and they SHOULD be. *sigh* Teens and tweens are ruining the anime scene.

[Sergorn]

Does it really have low ratings? This has actually been bothering me for quite a bit.

AFAIK Frontier's rating are pretty close to Code Geass R2's. So I really doubt they are low.

-Sergorn

[Final Vegeta]

The translation I had trouble with was when Sheryl says "bunka shiteiru?" in Japanese but its translated as "Are you being cultural?". I think that she actually asked: "Do you know culture?"

It would be "know" if she said "shitte(ru)", but I think she actually said "shite(ru)" or "Do you do culture?". I think it's meant to be some kind of catchphrase, if you notice she coupled it with a peculiar hand sign.

FV

[Zinjo]

Does it really have low ratings? This has actually been bothering me for quite a bit. None of my friends actually likes Macross in general and prefer Gundam, Naruto etc etc

I was even surprised when Macross was named the 80th most popular anime which was conducted online here http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-...i-top-100-anime

And its not even in the top 100 of the other one

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-...00-anime-part-2

I dont know how accurate this ranking is, but to think that macross is not even in the top 50 is really disturbing

Either that, or the rest of us here are really just very bias towards macross

In the April Newtype Japan the top animes of the decade were:

60's Astroboy

70's Gundam

80's Macross

90's Evangelion

The principal reason Macross tends to rank fairly low in Western polls is that a new series doesn't come out every year (Gundam) and most of the newer productions are being blocked by HG's recent ownership of the "Macross" trademark name...

However, with Bluray's region coding, the foodgates can start to flow again (assuming BW sees the big picture and adds English subs to their BD releases...

Edited May 21, 2008 by Zinjo

[Zinjo]

OMG those polls cannot be even close to accurate. Fullmetal Alchemist as #1? Ummm... no. I have my own list of favorites that aren't even in the top 20 and they SHOULD be. *sigh* Teens and tweens are ruining the anime scene.

LOL, we've caught up to the typical Japanese demographic....

[StrangeWill]

In Japanese they say something like "yasashi shite" which is "please be gentle". Makes sense since the VB-6 obvioulsy tears up anything it walks on or fires from.

The translation I had trouble with was when Sheryl says "bunka shiteiru?" in Japanese but its translated as "Are you being cultural?". I think that she actually asked: "Do you know culture?"

Well I stand corrected then.

Guess the Gattai subs aren't that bad?

[cyde01]

here's a little help for the translators out there. i'm pretty sure that no one said "yasashiku shite" in the scene where the monster lands on the dulfim. it sounded like "kochira kara onegaishimasu" to me. "mina~!! bunka shiteru!!?" is a reference to the original macross TV. in the original macross TV series, some zentradi incorrectly referred to bunka, or culture, as a verb. example: kamjin to laplamiz "let's do some more culture later."

so sheryl's comment can be translated as "everone~!! are you culturing!!?" it's probably a slang term that originated from zentradis experiencing culture shock when they integrated with human society.

[StrangeWill]

Well if they didn't say "yasashiku shite", what did they say?

Err too bad the only languages I'm good with are English (kind of) and computer languages.

Edited May 21, 2008 by StrangeWill

[cyde01]

*sigh*

rather than saying "yasashiku shite", i believe they said "kochira kara onegaishimasu." which means, "please do" or "we request that you do."

therefore, the dialog goes like this:

kanaria: "dulphim!! this is rabbit 1. i'm going to borrow your hull."

dulphim: "dulphim to rabbit 1. by all means, we request that you do."

[taksraven]

Well if they didn't say "yasashiku shite", what did they say?

Err too bad the only languages I'm good with are English (kind of) and computer languages.

Well, I know what the word "shite" (if it rhymes with bite) means in certain parts of the UK and Ireland. :lol:

This video will help explain the context of the word.

Taksraven

[darkrealmbahamut]

It is impossible to get the exact wording because there is no such thing as translating. Every translator takes there artistic flourishes with wording so we are splitting hairs. As my Japanese professor says it isn't translating so much as interpreting what has been said.