Macross Frontier Episode 7 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[azrael]

These votes REALLY need to be made public. This IS a close knit community after all.

I'd love to see who voted negative for this episode.

People are entitled to their own opinion so I won't force anybody to say anything. If they wish to speak, I shall leave that to them. And BTW, I gave this episode a positive mark just so you know what I voted. Now that's not to say I won't like or dislike this series as a whole when all is said and done.

[Graham]

Read all the spoliers about the Macross Quarter movinga around like a Valk, before finally getting to watch the episode on Saturday. When I actually watched it, I really didn't think it was as agile as people were saying. From all the comments, I thought we'd be seeing loop the loops, cartwheels and spinning kicks.

No great suspension of disbelief needed on my part for what we saw it doing. It accelerated fast and weaved a bit, that's all.

I guess all the crew have some sort of restraint system, like the bridge crew, to stoop them getting squished, especially the hanger crew.

Graham

[junior]

Yet another theory to throw out there regarding why the VF-27 shot Luca's gunpod - maybe he was after Luca's sensor data?

Bear with me...

And there's going to be a healthy dose of speculative guesses here...

The Vajra capital ship shows up specifically to kill Kaitos as it's about to reach the edge of the Fold Distortion. If Kaitos had crossed out of the distortion, then it would have been able to jump clear. For whatever reason, the Vajra really wanted to kill that ship, and presumeably its fellow Galaxy ship as well (i.e. the one that the Frontier forces saved). It would have been fairly easy for the capital ship to show up at the start of the fight and blow up both of the Galaxy ships, but for whatever reason the big Vajra ship didn't show up until Kaitos was nearly clear.

Further, some of the comments by the Frontier leadership when the big Vajra ship shows up suggests that they've never seen such a ship before (although they've no doubt speculated that these ships exist). So presumeably there's some special occasion for the ship to show up, and it appears to be to keep Kaitos from escaping the fold distortion.

Given that the Vajra were freely attacking the Kaitos but the big ship didn't show up until literally just as it was needed, it's possible that the big ships haven't been attacking Galaxy. Instead they've been held in reserve to deal with fleeing ships that get close to the edge of the fold distortion (I don't know why the Vajra wouldn't commit at least some of them to attacking Galaxy; but as I said this theory does wander a bit far into speculation).

If Galaxy for some reason wanted data on the big ships, then the easiest way to get that would be to do something that would cause the big ship to appear, and then have units on hand to scan for data. The two Galaxy ships are therefore ordered to make a run for it when the Vajra attack the fleet, presumeably with the stated goal of reaching Frontier. Unbeknownst to the Kaitos and its fellow ship, a flight of VF-27s is dispatched to secretly watch the result. If a Vajra capital ship appears, then the VF-27s are to scan the ship and collect as much data as they can before folding back to the Galaxy fleet (or other base that they're operating from). The VF-27s are to leave the two fleeing Galaxy ships to their fate, provided that the VF-27s can get the sensor data.

So the Galaxy ships make a run for it. And then they blunder into Frontier's forward recon team and Frontier dispatches a relief force to retrieve the two ships. The SMS Skull team deploys its VF-25 Catseye unit, which just happens to be in position when the Vajra ship comes out of fold and blows up Kaitos. With its better sensor suite, Luca's VF-25 would be able to get much more information on the Vajra ship. Further, the Vajra capture Luca, and place him directly in the center of the ship with his sensor suite still intact. (note the quick glance at Luca's sensor pod when Altoh locates him) It literally CANNOT get better than that as far as sensor scans are concerned. So Brera Sterne heads into the Vajra ship not to help Luca, but instead to recover his sensor data. Then Altoh shows up, and Brera hides to see what happens. Altoh loses his plane but it looks as if he'll be able to blast Luca's plane free with the gunpod, so Brera blasts the gunpod without damaging the fighter itself (which houses the all-important sensor data). Before Brera can do anything else, however, the Macross Quarter arrives and Brera is forced to give up on his plan.

There's enough guesswork in there that any number of facts introduced into the series in the next few episodes could easily overturn the whole thing. But it does make sense, after a fashion...

(aside from the question of why the Vajra wouldn't have committed their capital ships directly to the attack on the Galaxy Fleet, why Brera wouldn't just ask Frontier for the scan data, and why Galaxy would think it worth sacrificing multiple ships of its escort fleet in the hopes that Brera could get a scan of a Vajra capital ship).

[Master Dex]

Despite some of the questions it could raise, I think you have a very valid theory there junior. Hmm.. we shall see in time indeed.

[papabear]

Also, it's very clear that the VF-27s are not a part of the Vajra force. I can't wait to see where this is going. A three way battle? Another SMS type group? A special branch of the NUNS? Part of another human/zentraedi government?

*edit*

Oh, and another obvious possibility, given how much they liked to mention that the Galaxy was heavily financed by corporate interests, a corporate interest trying to get its hands on Vajra technology?

*edit*

Verra eenteresting.

Also, the shot of what appears to be the Battle 25 command crew gives me hope yet that we'll also see the larger cap ships going into battle eventually. I suspect I'm in the minority, but I am a fan of the New Macross ships like Battle 5, 7, and 13.

I agree--I've only seen 13 in a youtube clip, but it'd be nice to see Battle 25 in action and compare it to 7.

[Project Phoenix]

I really wanna know who the 5 people who voted negative are.

OK, I can just about understand a negative vote for episode 6, but certainly not for episode 7.

My mind just can't grasp how any Macross fan cannot think that that was a kick-ass episode.

Heh, I bet the haters are Robotekkies, disappointed that Admiral Lick Hunter hasn't showed up yet.

Graham

I'm surprised Homotech terrorists haven't showed up yet.

[StrangeWill]

Well I didn't vote negative, but there were a couple of things that didn't make it the "most amazing episode ever" for me/ It was going really good until the whole Macross Quarter sequence... thats where I thought they went downhill fast. It seemed to me be something more appropriate for Gurren Laggan than Macross. Up until this point Macross bent the laws of physics in alot of places, but this really took a willing suspension of disbelief to watch it accelerate to high speeds in seconds and weave around as if it were big valkyrie. Up until this point warships were represented as fairly static units that carried massive amounts of weaponry. You could make the argument that it was like that in DYRL... but this seemed so much more contrived and unbelievable.

Well you got to remember, the Macross in DYRL was what? 5 times the size? If not larger than the Quarter is.

Err, I just play it at half speed and I'm happy.

Edited May 20, 2008 by StrangeWill

[UN Spacy]

Macross is three times the size of Quarter.

[badboy00z]

The eyes of the bridge bunny with purple hair is creepy.

[aerocombatpilot]

Just finshed watching episode 7 subbed and it was all good. Have to admit that I did not like the SMS at first. I did not like the idea of them having superior fighters and ships, nor their ATTITUDE towards the military (especially Bobby)! After this episode my attitude has changed a little. I still do not like them putting down the military, and acting like they KNOW

EVERYTHING, however I think all that will change when they start losing VF-25's like the military loses VF-171's!

[Noyhauser]

Well you got to remember, the Macross in DYRL was what? 5 times the size? If not larger than the Quarter is.

Err, I just play it at half speed and I'm happy.

Well I can deal with the movement to some degree... partly because it was common to DYRL. Its the whole "using the macross to open up the maw so they can escape" and then "putting the carrier on the back to have two hands to fire the gun" parts that made me cringe the most.

[UN Spacy]

It's just as cringeworthy as the Daedalus Punch.

[Radd]

Radd, my comment comparing M1/4 to valkyrie was a hyperbole, but I still found the entire sequence over the top.

Again I'm not trying to be overly nitpicky, and I like almost everything else about the series... just it didn't really seem to be as if it was needed to make the episode better.

Oh, I wasn't directing that entirely at you, it seems like everyone has been saying that and, well, say something enough times and someone out there takes it literally. I also agree, there was certainly some aspects about the sequence that really stretched the whole suspension of disbelief thing. In my opinion it was less so the acceleration or maneuverability than the part where it pushes the Vajra ship's cannon further open, and then slides the carrier deck to the back.

It's just as cringeworthy as the Daedalus Punch.

Oh, as much as I loved the episode, and even that sequence, there is really no comparison between that and the Daedalus maneuver. Not even close. Not even drunk, while squinting your eyes a lot.

[StrangeWill]

Macross is three times the size of Quarter.

Thought the Macross was 1500m, while the quarter is only 300m.

[Radd]

I think the movie Macross was a bit larger than the tv series version. I'm sure the compendium has statistics for anyone really interested. Isn't the Quarter 1/4 the size of a New Macross class ship?

[StrangeWill]

I think the movie Macross was a bit larger than the tv series version. I'm sure the compendium has statistics for anyone really interested. Isn't the Quarter 1/4 the size of a New Macross class ship?

You're right according to new-un-spacy.com, it's 1200m, not 1500.

[Radd]

I was wrong! The post-refit Macross is actually slightly smaller. Well, shorter at any rate.

[grss1982]

I'm surprised Homotech terrorists haven't showed up yet.

LOL!!! Homotech Terrorists.

For those terrorists check out my sig.

ANYWAYS.....Just saw the episode and was it just me or did Alto-hime look like a total n00b at the first half of the episode.

The Macross Zero homage by Ozma with teh rapid eye movement and then the barrage firing of all those missles was just plane AWESOME!!!!

ALSO, since the franchise is returning to the old ways when it came to VFs why was'nt the VF-25 "loaded for bear?" I mean why were there no missles or missle pods mounted on the wings of the VF-25? I really wanted to see a sequence wherein VF-25s barrage fire wing mounted missles ala DYRL.

AS for the Konig Monster: Nuff said.

Edited May 20, 2008 by grss1982

[Bill C.]

ANYWAYS.....Just saw the episode and was it just me or did Alto-hime look like a total n00b at the first half of the episode.

Alto had to power up first, after all. He gets his mad piloting skillz from teenage girls...wait, that didn't come out right...

Edited May 20, 2008 by Bill C.

[vanpang]

Yet another theory to throw out there regarding why the VF-27 shot Luca's gunpod - maybe he was after Luca's sensor data?

Bear with me...

And there's going to be a healthy dose of speculative guesses here...

The Vajra capital ship shows up specifically to kill Kaitos as it's about to reach the edge of the Fold Distortion. If Kaitos had crossed out of the distortion, then it would have been able to jump clear. For whatever reason, the Vajra really wanted to kill that ship, and presumeably its fellow Galaxy ship as well (i.e. the one that the Frontier forces saved). It would have been fairly easy for the capital ship to show up at the start of the fight and blow up both of the Galaxy ships, but for whatever reason the big Vajra ship didn't show up until Kaitos was nearly clear.

Further, some of the comments by the Frontier leadership when the big Vajra ship shows up suggests that they've never seen such a ship before (although they've no doubt speculated that these ships exist). So presumeably there's some special occasion for the ship to show up, and it appears to be to keep Kaitos from escaping the fold distortion.

Given that the Vajra were freely attacking the Kaitos but the big ship didn't show up until literally just as it was needed, it's possible that the big ships haven't been attacking Galaxy. Instead they've been held in reserve to deal with fleeing ships that get close to the edge of the fold distortion (I don't know why the Vajra wouldn't commit at least some of them to attacking Galaxy; but as I said this theory does wander a bit far into speculation).

If Galaxy for some reason wanted data on the big ships, then the easiest way to get that would be to do something that would cause the big ship to appear, and then have units on hand to scan for data. The two Galaxy ships are therefore ordered to make a run for it when the Vajra attack the fleet, presumeably with the stated goal of reaching Frontier. Unbeknownst to the Kaitos and its fellow ship, a flight of VF-27s is dispatched to secretly watch the result. If a Vajra capital ship appears, then the VF-27s are to scan the ship and collect as much data as they can before folding back to the Galaxy fleet (or other base that they're operating from). The VF-27s are to leave the two fleeing Galaxy ships to their fate, provided that the VF-27s can get the sensor data.

So the Galaxy ships make a run for it. And then they blunder into Frontier's forward recon team and Frontier dispatches a relief force to retrieve the two ships. The SMS Skull team deploys its VF-25 Catseye unit, which just happens to be in position when the Vajra ship comes out of fold and blows up Kaitos. With its better sensor suite, Luca's VF-25 would be able to get much more information on the Vajra ship. Further, the Vajra capture Luca, and place him directly in the center of the ship with his sensor suite still intact. (note the quick glance at Luca's sensor pod when Altoh locates him) It literally CANNOT get better than that as far as sensor scans are concerned. So Brera Sterne heads into the Vajra ship not to help Luca, but instead to recover his sensor data. Then Altoh shows up, and Brera hides to see what happens. Altoh loses his plane but it looks as if he'll be able to blast Luca's plane free with the gunpod, so Brera blasts the gunpod without damaging the fighter itself (which houses the all-important sensor data). Before Brera can do anything else, however, the Macross Quarter arrives and Brera is forced to give up on his plan.

There's enough guesswork in there that any number of facts introduced into the series in the next few episodes could easily overturn the whole thing. But it does make sense, after a fashion...

(aside from the question of why the Vajra wouldn't have committed their capital ships directly to the attack on the Galaxy Fleet, why Brera wouldn't just ask Frontier for the scan data, and why Galaxy would think it worth sacrificing multiple ships of its escort fleet in the hopes that Brera could get a scan of a Vajra capital ship).

Hi JR, I think there maybe some basis to your theory, I just rewatched the English sub. and capture these 2 images. It would appear that the VF-27 is indeed collecting/absorbing data, you can see that the visor of the VF-27 is swarming with data (the colored lines). And inside the VF-27's hatch, Brera appears to be analysing the data (the colored lines)

Edited May 20, 2008 by vanpang

[mike_s_6]

ANYWAYS.....Just saw the episode and was it just me or did Alto-hime look like a total n00b at the first half of the episode.

I would be more surprised if he kicked so much @ss on the episode. A newbie is a newbie, glad he's portrayed like that

[Bill C.]

...I just rewatched the English sub. and capture these 2 images. It would appear that the VF-27 is indeed collecting/absorbing data, you can see that the visor of the VF-27 is swarming with data (the colored lines). And inside the VF-27's hatch, Brera appears to be analysing the data (the colored lines)

Is it just me, come to think of it, or is that faintly Matrixesque? What's up with that?

[Radd]

Say, did anyone else catch the emblem gracing our mysterious VF-27? If not, someone should get a screengrab of that and post it. Shocking revelations, possibly? Confirmation for some?

Anyways, best place to catch it is in the fold sequence at the end, as we get that nice close up pan towards the red VF. It's towards the end of that pan.

Edited May 20, 2008 by Radd

[VF-1S Alpha]

Please bear with me, isn't the main gun firing "trigger" thing from the bridge of Macross Quarter the same "technology" from Yamato (aka StarBlazers)? Kind of had that deja-vu thing....and notice the captains goggles on his neck/chest...is almost the same one used in Yamato!

[Sulendil Ang]

Copied directly from Westlo's post in the News Thread:

Episode 7: 1.8%

Episode 6: 2.0%

Episode 5: 1.9%

Episode 4: 2.6%

Episode 3: 2.3%

Episode 2: 2.7%

Episode 1: 1.1%

Well, is it enough to explain those mysterious negative posts on the poll?

[Duke Togo]

Mzero is just a movie within Macross Frontier and shouldn't be treated as canon.

Honestly, would that shock you at this point? With that episode coming up, would it shock you, at all?

[Duke Togo]

So... was that Sheryl and Ranka's 'song energy' that reached Alto in the mothership? Hmmmm.... Lots of Macross 7 references throughout, for sure.

Not quite. It seems their singing resonated with these Super Dimension Whatever purple stones, which we have seen used for fold communications and the Vajra's ability to fold through fold dislocation zones. I think that's the story of song in Frontier, its the relationship between singing and these purple stones (and how that plays out).

[Duke Togo]

Try reading the notes in their sub files....

Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.59,0:12:04.96,Union Flag,,0000,0000,0000,,Luca!! {HOWARDDOOOOO MASONNNNN!!!!!!!!}

Comment: 0,0:12:04.96,0:12:06.96,Union Flag,,0000,0000,0000,,We all know this had to happen sooner or later, YOU WERE A GOOD CLOWN, LUCA

Leeroy Jenkins?

[Duke Togo]

Say, did anyone else catch the emblem gracing our mysterious VF-27? If not, someone should get a screengrab of that and post it. Shocking revelations, possibly? Confirmation for some?

Anyways, best place to catch it is in the fold sequence at the end, as we get that nice close up pan towards the red VF. It's towards the end of that pan.

Uh, yeah, might want to go back a little bit in the thread, there are a ton of postings on it. NUNS insignia on the wings, Galaxy insignia on the nose.

[wolfx]

Honestly, would that shock you at this point? With that episode coming up, would it shock you, at all?

Well at least you caught the irony.

[Duke Togo]

Well at least you caught the irony.

Its only a matter of time before Frontier becomes a fictional tv series within a fictional tv series!

[Zinjo]

Not quite. It seems their singing resonated with these Super Dimension Whatever purple stones, which we have seen used for fold communications and the Vajra's ability to fold through fold dislocation zones. I think that's the story of song in Frontier, its the relationship between singing and these purple stones (and how that plays out).

Makes me wonder if these stones are sensitive to some sort of Psychic energies released through singing? The whole concert bit was akin to a psychic link between Ranka and Sheryl and we know the lobsters are mindless living weapons (zombies if you will) with the ability to be controlled by some unrevealed means, possibly by the mental direction of their handlers...

Many interesting questions posed in the last few eps...

[Gubaba]

Its only a matter of time before Frontier becomes a fictional tv series within a fictional tv series!

I can see that...they'll keep fitting each series inside other series like a Russian doll until only Macross 7 remains canonical...

BOMBAA!!!

[Duke Togo]

I can see that...they'll keep fitting each series inside other series like a Russian doll until only Macross 7 remains canonical...

BOMBAA!!!

You cannot speak of Macross 7 when you have forsaken Gubaba for Nanase. You and MisaForever should be ashamed of yourselves!

[Radd]

Uh, yeah, might want to go back a little bit in the thread, there are a ton of postings on it. NUNS insignia on the wings, Galaxy insignia on the nose.

Ah, ja not surprised, but as usual I joined the party late, not wanting to hop into the thread until a subtitled version was out that I could see for myself. This is probably the first episode thread where I didn't go back and try to read the whole thing. Of course, I believe this is the first that was past 40 pages by the time I got ahold of a fansub.