Macross Frontier Episode 7 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[d3v]

I'm confident that it would sell... I wouldn't wanna pay the shipping to get one in the US though

On another topic: why does everyone seem to think the VF-27 is superior to the VF-25? We haven't seen anything to really indicate that it's superior, just different.

Well, the fold boosters do indicate that it's got more tech than the 25.

However, you do have a point that we've yet to see them face off against each other.

You've got a point on the movements, though. I'd also note that, at least to me, the VF-27 seems a bit bulkier than the VF-25. Maybe it's intended to be a self=sufficient, internalized design as opposed to the extremely expandable but pack-reliant -25. It reminds me of the intent of Project Supernova-- a fighter that could infiltrate enemy lines on its own and accomplish a variety of missions.

In relation to this, based on the fact that it can be outfitted with multiple kinds of armor packs, the 25 seems to be more of a general purpose VF.

So either they're designs built for different missions, or it's a 2 designs representing 2 different philosophies of 2 competing design teams. Cramming every bit of technology you can into the plane versus a simple, but modular airframe that can be customized for different missions based on the packs you attach.

[akt_m]

The worst macross f episode so far...

[Gubaba]

The worst macross f episode so far...

You're joking...right?

[TehPW]

The worst macross f episode so far...

YOU! Back away from the crack! Keep yer hands high, where i can see 'em! Just GIVE ME A REASON! Just one and... and... i'll summon Dozens of Ninja Kittens on you!

There!

Cuddle Kittens!

[MisaForever]

I need an angry picture of Klan to post for posters like him.

[wolfx]

Yeah, this episode showed us that the VF-25 is pretty tough.

Alto's VF-25 had it's right(?) wing tip blown off when he was approaching the Vajra carrier in fighter mode.

Then once inside the carrier, he took the hit to the back, which completely blew off both wings.

Next, IIRC he may have taken some hits to the arm shield (just going by memory), when he was shooting at the first yellow Vajra, resulting in no additional damage.

Then he took the hit to the right arm, which disabled it, but didn't blow it off.

Then he took the hit which completely destroyed the head.

Lastly, after he'd transformed to Gerwalk, the 2nd Yellow Vajra used it's tail spike to destroy the VF-25 Gerwalk.

Graham

He has a better armour than any SWAG armour. Its called Plot Armour. When you're the hero of a show, your mech will be 10000x more resilient than others using the same mecha. I'm sure when

Luca and Ozma

bite the dust later, they'll die from some stray shot.

[MisaForever]

He has a better armour than any SWAG armour. Its called Plot Armour. When you're the hero of a show, your mech will be 10000x more resilient than others using the same mecha. I'm sure when

Luca and Ozma

bite the dust later, they'll die from some stray shot.

You're an idiot

[azrael]

You're an idiot

No, that's just too much Gundam in the blood...

[wolfx]

I speak truths.

Look at Kakizaki vs Max in DYRL. Max survives multiple pulse laser hits on the chests but Kakizaki dies with just one.

[Fade Rathnik]

After looking at the 27's over all shape and structure its quite obvious to me that the 25 and 27 are very close cousins if not siblings. They both have the same over all transformation, save for the wings which are folding rather than VG as they are on the 25. And there is something different going on with the shoulders behind the neck as I am not sure if that is the leading or trailing edge of the fuselage. I agree that each fighter is based of a different concept but from the same original design, likely result of being produced by two different Firms. But two firms using more or less the same structure thats kind of odd in the Macross world, then only to find out that the 25 is based of another fighter the 24 so now there are 3 fighters with the over all same structure. I wonder if we'll ever see the 24, I doubt it though.

This all reflects some interesting differences in the design and manufacture worlds of Macross. Unlike the real world, design firms are responsible only for designing their airframes, possibly building the prototypes but i doubt it. I'd say most if not all manufacture is handled by either the automated factory that they nicked back in 2011 or the automated factories humans have sense built. As was demonstrated in m7. So design firms are payed some form of license fee for each copy produced. This changes the whole logic of how a firm would operate, and if you think about it offers a perfect explanation for the 17 vrs 171.

GG(General Galaxy) desgned the 17 as a special forces fighter from the outset, there for likely made the license price higher to pay for the R&D cost in developing the airframe. Then went on to work on the 21. Fast forward one and a half decades, the 11 is likely a reservist and planetary garrison fighter and the 19 is serving as the primary fighter but showing its age. Of course with the 22 as special forces, but also showing its age.

Honestly as good as the 19 is she probably wasn't the best space fighter or rather she was always too much at home in an atmosphere to spend to much time in space. So someone, likely Shinshi is developing the 24 as a replacment for the 19. The UN changes and becoms the NUN, this likely killing the project. So some nut a GG goes, 'well the research on the 17 is already paid, why not just make the design more suitable to mass production and use and offer it as a primarily space fighter' hence the 171 is born as a cheap stopgap, new governments love those.

Which leaves the 19s getting reasigned to the core systems where its excellent atmospheric maneuverability would pay off. The 171 on carriers assigned to colony fleets. The 24 program to replace the 19 as the standard fighter being reworked as the 25 with the new government, likely creating the flexability that the 25 is now renowned for. And the 22 apparently being quietly replaced by the 27.

[Duke Togo]

I speak truths.

Look at Kakizaki vs Max in DYRL. Max survives multiple pulse laser hits on the chests but Kakizaki dies with just one.

Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit.

[MisaForever]

Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit.

[wolfx]

Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit.

Dude, the plane explodes.

And actually his cockpit is still intact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ytb5LlJ9c

Edited May 19, 2008 by wolfx

[The_WOZ]

Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans):

It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all...

Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy.

[s001]

I Watched a few minutes of the episode and:

1. Ozma is a badass.

2. Alto is good but very distracted (seriously he looked at that earring for like an hour in the middle of the fight).

3. Luca is a weenie. I'm affraid that he's not going to make it to the end of the show.

4. The VF-27 looks too advanced for my taste (still don't like the 'ear' antennas).

5. Beera Stern looks like an evangelion character.

6. E.T. Ranka: Oh no, here comes the weird stuff! (Thank you M7 & M0)

7. WOW MACROSS QUARTER!

8. WOW CANARIA AND HER KÖNING MONSTER!

But hey this is actually a positive comment! Great episode (I didn't watched the entire thing yet but well...) full of action!

[Duke Togo]

Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans):

It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all...

Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy.

Mystery solved.

[Duke Togo]

Dude, the plane explodes.

And actually his cockpit is still intact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ytb5LlJ9c

I smell a conspiracy.

[Raptor One]

The worst macross f episode so far...

Wesley? Is that you?

[darkrealmbahamut]

Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans):

It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all...

Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy.

So this lends itself heavily to being NUN of the galaxy fleet or a PMC of the galaxy fleet. If that is the case man they must have been out on manuvers because the galaxy fleet got messed up.

[Duke Togo]

I am going to guess its not a PMC.

[darkrealmbahamut]

I want to agree but you would think if they aren't then why was the Galaxy getting hammered so hard? I definately want to agree though.

[s001]

Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans):

It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all...

Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy.

That makes sense to me.

[Duke Togo]

SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy.

[darkrealmbahamut]

SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy.

Makes sense and I didn't think of that. The power of a single fighter though is extremely impressive.

[taksraven]

Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit.

Thats the Cannon Fodder rule then, isn't it. Cannon Fodder will be hit directly in the cockpit every single time with no chance of survival. Macross Zero had some of the best examples of that. If the hero is hit it will be anywhere BUT the cockpit.

Taksraven

[Heron]

SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy.

Yeah, stuff is starting to click into place now...

[Master Dex]

There is a new torrent on TokyoToko for episode 7 that is listed as anime rather than raw or not english, but I can't tell if it is a sub or not. I'll download it to see, unless someone can tell me, just search Macross Frontier on TokyoTokoshan, should be the newest entry. Note, it is a Matroska file.

[Fade Rathnik]

What about the 'S' logo on the side of the VF-25 has that been established yet? Or is that just a simplified frontier logo? Because if its not that my vote is Shinshi.

[Nexx Stalker]

There is a new torrent on TokyoToko for episode 7 that is listed as anime rather than raw or not english, but I can't tell if it is a sub or not. I'll download it to see, unless someone can tell me, just search Macross Frontier on TokyoTokoshan, should be the newest entry. Note, it is a Matroska file.

There is one that just popped up on tokyo toshokan named GG which is listed as english sub. I'm dloading it now.

[Master Dex]

There is one that just popped up on tokyo toshokan named GG which is listed as english sub. I'm dloading it now.

That's the one I saw, so it is a sub then. I haven't heard of GG before, is that Gattai or someone new? I was downloading it, but it's gonna take awhile, practically no seeders.

[Nexx Stalker]

That's the one I saw, so it is a sub then. I haven't heard of GG before, is that Gattai or someone new? I was downloading it, but it's gonna take awhile, practically no seeders.

Yep, we're on the same boat. And I've never heard of them before, too (at least, never heard of them doing MFrontier). I thought at first they were Gattai under an acronym. Guess we'll just have to wait (patiently) and see.

**edit**

As I was writing, the speed began to increase and is now going really fast. I hope to have some news in and hour or so.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Nexx Stalker

[Master Dex]

It's telling me about 5 hours to download at this rate.. I'm so used to getting these episodes after there is a good amount of seeds, makes me wonder if I should just go for it later or not.

As I was writing, the speed began to increase and is now going really fast. I hope to have some news in and hour or so.

Hmm.. I'm seeing no increase, hopefully mine will speed up as well.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Master Dex

[Gubaba]

Yep, we're on the same boat. And I've never heard of them before, too (at least, never heard of them doing MFrontier). I thought at first they were Gattai under an acronym. Guess we'll just have to wait (patiently) and see.

Judging from the quality of writing on their website, they seem to be a bunch of idiot savants, minus the "savant" part. But who knows? They could surprise us.

Seems kind of strange that they'd do episode 7 before doing 1~6, though...

[MisaForever]

Judging from the quality of writing on their website, they seem to be a bunch of idiot savants, minus the "savant" part. But who knows? They could surprise us.

Seems kind of strange that they'd do episode 7 before doing 1~6, though...

Maybe they noticed that no one else has released one yet COME ON GUYS!!!!!!!!!!

[Beltane70]

gg isn't new. I've downloaded a few shows subbed by them.