Macross Frontier Episode 7 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[Duke Togo]

Here ya go:

While you can not distinguish what exactly the insignia is in these shots, you can clearly see the circular shape on the tops of the wings.

[Duke Togo]

Anyone know which of the RAWs have the eyecatch? I've snagged like 4 different releases with no joy.

[Nexx Stalker]

Most everyone that's posted think it's NUNS. I am still uncertain/unconvinced. The crescent looks the same but no circle with the crescent. That is, the symbol on the VF-27 doesn't match exactly what's been seen on the VF-171. That's why i don't think the VF-27 is from HUMAN/ZENTRAN United Nations Space Forces. It's just done too much interferance to be friendly... it's like Dallas/Bobby Heuwing all over again...

Does this help?

Edited May 17, 2008 by Nexx Stalker

[Duke Togo]

Man, if this thing doesn't scream SV-51, I just don't know.

[Nexx Stalker]

Man, if this thing doesn't scream SV-51, I just don't know.

You took the words right out of my mind.

[HWR MKII]

Those destroids sure look weird.

Those Destroids look like Cheyennes from macross zero. Also gota love the nose art on the VB-6

[MUGETSU]

The plot thickens! The fold distorted the insignia a bit, but they're definitely similar!

Edited May 17, 2008 by MUGETSU

[Heron]

Man, if this thing doesn't scream SV-51, I just don't know.

Yup, maybe Sukhoi/Israel Aircraft Industries/Dornier made it. They made the SV-51...

[Aegis!]

OT: Wow, I came here to read about other people's opinion on the episode and I find an almost completely hijacked thread, what a shame. Why are you people posting such incredible nonsense in this thread !? what's with the ''Ranka's protution'' talk, can't you see it's just the dress !? How did we end up speculating whether Sheryl or Ranka were transexuals? I mean, Richard Vilra = Breetai ? Rick F***ing Hunter ? WTF is going on here !?

I sound like a total a-hole here, ruining the party and all. Sure, we're free to express ourselves as we like, but it's getting a bit out of hand. I know it's just in the spirit of good comedy (I hope), but it's not just getting stupid, it's also OT. Don't want to argue with anyone, I just wanted express my concern (whine).

Back to episode 7:

First, I'll have to eat my own words, Brera Sterne IS A GUY. I'm not entirely surprised, with all the other bishonen looking characters in the show... It would've been interesting to have Alto go against a female antagonist tough (maybe an homage to M0).

I'll have to say I'm with the Duke on this one. I suspect the VF-27 is a secretly developed NUNS fighter, working on the shadows in an effort to gather data on the Vajra, for what purpose ? that's to anyone's imagination, maybe he's working directly under Vilra/Leon and they want to control the Vajra. Maybe it's actually anti-un or a rough NUNS faction trying another coup d’état, who knows... It was pretty clear that Sterne didn't want to be detected by anyone in the battlefield, maybe that's why he didn't help Luka immediately (It just wasn't his concern to save him, or he actually wanted to see what the Vajra would do to him), however, I'm still curious about the reason for shooting luka's gunpod, maybe he was preventing Alto from triggering something or it was just him being cautious about Alto reacting aggressively towards him.

Bottom line is, this episode was great, possibly one of the best episodes so far and a memorable experience. My only complain was the sudden Aquarion deja vu i got from Macross Quarter's transformation sequence and the visual effect of it's canon, I kind of miss the whole ''Zentradi battleship exploding from within + surface bubbles effect''

[junior]

While you can not distinguish what exactly the insignia is in these shots, you can clearly see the circular shape on the tops of the wings.

That's my issue with it. imo, it's still not completely clear what those circle things are. For all we know, it could be fuel tank caps (just to throw out something at random). And there does appear to be some sort of insignia on the nose that I'm pretty sure isn't the NUNS insignia. That doesn't mean that the plane isn't NUNS - that nose insignia could mean anything from a unit badge to a personal insignia (though I don't think we've seen the latter so far in Macross). It just means that the possible NUNS insignias aren't sharp enough to be certain that's what they are.

[The_WOZ]

What if Brera Sterne is in fact a time traveller?

Ranka's son?

[Final Vegeta]

My only complain was the sudden Aquarion deja vu

Guess what, this episode was storyboarded by Kawamori

FV

[Project Phoenix]

Nope... Harmonica is N.U.N.S... Check it out...

This must mean that Leon knows about Ranka's origin/abilities (like it seemed from previous episodes) & Ranka has some kind of relation to Brera Sterne...

I agree. Harmonica is from NUNS. But the 117th is also from the NUNS. Therefore I think Harmonica is both a survivor just like Ranka and still part of the NUNS. Because they are a research fleet, they may have been working on a prototype variable fighter when they got wiped out and the survivors managed to field the VF-27 years later.

As for the snake Leon, there is no doubt he knows more about Ranka than he is letting out. I feel that he is using Cathy to get to the president for something.

[Westlo]

Guess what, this episode was storyboarded by Kawamori

FV

Speaking of Aquarion thankfully Bobby didn't have an orgasm tjhis episode

[Final Vegeta]

Speaking of Aquarion thankfully Bobby didn't have an orgasm tjhis episode

In 4chan someone said he did (Aquarion wasn't even quoted, it was just said this was the most realistic portrayal of male orgasm)

Something else interesting from 4chan:

"The late medieval terms basara and kabukimono are originally based on the Sanskrit term vajra (kongo, kongoseki). Kongoseki, which means "diamond," signifies that which can pulverize anything, and has long been used to describe the destruction of preconceived ideas, a tendency also closely related to kabukimono. Kabukimono signifies an individual who takes pleasure in shocking other people with his unusual behavior and appearance, and is similar in meaning to basara."

Vajra = All powerful/ destruction of preconceived ideas, Basara = one who takes pleasure in shocking people with his unusual behavior/ appearance, and BASARA is connected to VAJRA. Citation: http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~tenmyoya/text/text.html

This brought to you by Gattai. Does it mean anything? Who knows~

FV

[Gubaba]

I had thought this earlier.. but after looking at it I'm not so sure... this might be a different logo than the one you're thinking of though.

That's the one...After scrutizing the VF-27 pics here, I watched ep.6 again yesterday, and it just kind of leaped out at me.

And everyone's so busy noting the Aquarion references that no one seems to have noticed the Escaflowne reference...C'mon, old man watches the plot unfold on a monitor, his eyes widen, he murmurs, "Ohhhh..." It's totally Isaac!

[Duke Togo]

OT: Wow, I came here to read about other people's opinion on the episode and I find an almost completely hijacked thread, what a shame. Why are you people posting such incredible nonsense in this thread !? what's with the ''Ranka's protution'' talk, can't you see it's just the dress !? How did we end up speculating whether Sheryl or Ranka were transexuals? I mean, Richard Vilra = Breetai ? Rick F***ing Hunter ? WTF is going on here !?

I sound like a total a-hole here, ruining the party and all. Sure, we're free to express ourselves as we like, but it's getting a bit out of hand. I know it's just in the spirit of good comedy (I hope), but it's not just getting stupid, it's also OT. Don't want to argue with anyone, I just wanted express my concern (whine).

What the hell are you talking about?

[Duke Togo]

That's the one...After scrutizing the VF-27 pics here, I watched ep.6 again yesterday, and it just kind of leaped out at me.

Yeah, I dunno, I don't think they look the same, but, I'll have to look again. We're talking about the Frontier insignia and the one on the nose of the -27, right?

[Gubaba]

Yeah, I dunno, I don't think they look the same, but, I'll have to look again. We're talking about the Frontier insignia and the one on the nose of the -27, right?

That's right.

On the pic, it's just a little too far from the camera, though...I think I'll have to call it a miss this time and wait for its next appearance (which will, I hope, be ep.8...)

[Duke Togo]

That's right.

On the pic, it's just a little too far from the camera, though...I think I'll have to call it a miss this time and wait for its next appearance (which will, I hope, be ep.8...)

Dunno, looks like 8 is another school episode.

[TehPW]

OT: Wow, I came here to read about other people's opinion on the episode and I find an almost completely hijacked thread, what a shame. Why are you people posting such incredible nonsense in this thread !? what's with the ''Ranka's protution'' talk, can't you see it's just the dress !? How did we end up speculating whether Sheryl or Ranka were transexuals? I mean, Richard Vilra = Breetai ? Rick F***ing Hunter ? WTF is going on here !?

I sound like a total a-hole here, ruining the party and all. Sure, we're free to express ourselves as we like, but it's getting a bit out of hand. I know it's just in the spirit of good comedy (I hope), but it's not just getting stupid, it's also OT. Don't want to argue with anyone, I just wanted express my concern (whine).

Back to episode 7:

First, I'll have to eat my own words, Brera Sterne IS A GUY. I'm not entirely surprised, with all the other bishonen looking characters in the show... It would've been interesting to have Alto go against a female antagonist tough (maybe an homage to M0).

I'll have to say I'm with the Duke on this one. I suspect the VF-27 is a secretly developed NUNS fighter, working on the shadows in an effort to gather data on the Vajra, for what purpose ? that's to anyone's imagination, maybe he's working directly under Vilra/Leon and they want to control the Vajra. Maybe it's actually anti-un or a rough NUNS faction trying another coup d’état, who knows... It was pretty clear that Sterne didn't want to be detected by anyone in the battlefield, maybe that's why he didn't help Luka immediately (It just wasn't his concern to save him, or he actually wanted to see what the Vajra would do to him), however, I'm still curious about the reason for shooting luka's gunpod, maybe he was preventing Alto from triggering something or it was just him being cautious about Alto reacting aggressively towards him.

Bottom line is, this episode was great, possibly one of the best episodes so far and a memorable experience. My only complain was the sudden Aquarion deja vu i got from Macross Quarter's transformation sequence and the visual effect of it's canon, I kind of miss the whole ''Zentradi battleship exploding from within + surface bubbles effect''

it's just... this episode (besides generating massive amounts of mecha jizz ) generated tones of WTF? to a sheer volume... to generally drive the topic bus into oncoming traffic...

*sigh* Wish my bro was around... i'd bury his ear in OMG-WTF-XPlain! commentary... pretty sure he'd hate (He was a Moony and Ranma 1/2 fiend)

[Gubaba]

Dunno, looks like 8 is another school episode.

Don't rob me of my fragile hopes, Togo. (Maybe it'll show up at the end...? Pretty please, Mr. Froating...?)

it's just... this episode (besides generating massive amounts of mecha jizz ) generated tones of WTF? to a sheer volume... to generally drive the topic bus into oncoming traffic...

*sigh* Wish my bro was around... i'd bury his ear in OMG-WTF-XPlain! commentary... pretty sure he'd hate (He was a Moony and Ranma 1/2 fiend)

Yeah...the concert sequence was definitely a big WTF. I'm sure it'll all be explained, but for right now, there's not much to say about it besides, "OMGWTF? " and "i dunno LOLz "

The mecha thread goes into overdrive, but the episode discussion thread is a different story.

[Chronocidal]

Ok, time for a bit of screencap editing...

First, the wing logo. It's not so strange for aircraft to carry a logo on upper an lower surfaces of each wing... US military only does the top of the left wing, and bottom of right, but many others place an insignia on all 4 surfaces. The logo here is clearly the NUNS one, and the whiteout I used makes the diamond shape around it visible as well.

The nose logo.. actually looks like another NUNS logo somewhat. It's got a wide blue diamond shaped patch, with a lighter blue circle-ish thing in the middle. I would say it's VERY close to the NUNS one, except the circle is bigger than the background patch.

What I want to know is what these leg markings are. They look like letters, but nothing like English.. to be honest, they remind me of the computer screen text you sometimes see in Star Wars. Anyone have any ideas? I didn't see enough of the legs to know what this might be.

Now, just for kicks, it was pure chance that I noticed this shot, but it's the exact same logo as on the wing.

I guess the question now is where Ranka got her backpack from.

Btw... I can't watch Bobby firing the macross cannon without thinking to myself "oh no, he crossed the streams..."

Edited May 17, 2008 by Chronocidal

[Gubaba]

What kind of fighter is Ranka's backpack supposed to be, anyway? VF-23...?

[ieh4f]

does vf-25 have internal fold function like vf-27?

are those alien vf from m7 orginally vf-14?

did vf-27 shoot the missles to the hero's vf-25 when he tries to enter the alien ship to resue the green boy? you know our hero has to release his armor as decoy to get away from those missles....... so those vf-27 are not either on sms or the alien side right?

[Duke Togo]

does vf-25 have internal fold function like vf-27?

are those alien vf from m7 orginally vf-14?

did vf-27 shoot the missles to the hero's vf-25 when he tries to enter the alien ship to resue the green boy? you know our hero has to release his armor as decoy to get away from those missles....... so those vf-27 are not either on sms or the alien side right?

1. No, not that we know of.

2. Yes.

3. No.

4. The VF-27 is a NUNS fighter

[ieh4f]

3 how can you be sure? since those missles are red in color if u noticed, and everything involves that vf-27 is red too and he also attacks our hero's gunpod at the end, so it makes sense he makes an attack earlier right?

[Heron]

4. The VF-27 is a NUNS fighter

The VF-27 may be a NUNS fighter. Nothing definitive besides a hard to see logo to say that.

[Aegis Focker]

Me dejo sorprendido no puedo creer que en las batallas se haya mezclado, todo MACROSS, claro me imagino que no tiene escenas de otros VF´s A excepcion de los SMS, ya que son provedores militares, y la milicia es la que se encarga al 100% de la batalla, mientras que los SMS son los que apoyan en un objetivo especifico, corrijanme si me equivoco.

ya que al efectuar el ataque, junto a el MACROSS solo se vio los VF´s de SMS pero no se vieron los VF´s militares.

eso es lo que me da a primera impresion.

ademas que como en anteriores versiones de MACROSS no dan mucha explicacion durante la mision o despues de la mision.

Saludos

Aegis Focker.

Ps. Someone who Traslade to english.

Tanks

[Titen-ex]

If I might ask,who are the NUNs?

[MisaForever]

If I might ask,who are the NUNs?

New United Nations Spacy

[Lindem Herz]

Me dejo sorprendido no puedo creer que en las batallas se haya mezclado, todo MACROSS, claro me imagino que no tiene escenas de otros VF´s A excepcion de los SMS, ya que son provedores militares, y la milicia es la que se encarga al 100% de la batalla, mientras que los SMS son los que apoyan en un objetivo especifico, corrijanme si me equivoco.

ya que al efectuar el ataque, junto a el MACROSS solo se vio los VF´s de SMS pero no se vieron los VF´s militares.

eso es lo que me da a primera impresion.

ademas que como en anteriores versiones de MACROSS no dan mucha explicacion durante la mision o despues de la mision.

Saludos

Aegis Focker.

Ps. Someone who Traslade to english.

Tanks

I was surprised, I can't believe that in the battle everything Macross had come together. Of course, I imagine that there are no shots with other VFs besides SMS's due to them being military providers, and is the military the one that handles the entire battle, while SMS brings support on a specific objective. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I get this impression because during the attack, next to the Quarter Pounder you could only see the SMS fighters but not NUNS fighters.

Besides, like in other Macross series, they don't give too much explanations during and after the battle.

Yours,

Aegis Focker.

PS.: Tanques.

[Duke Togo]

3 how can you be sure?

Because I've probably seen this episode 10 times, and I went back and looked again after you posted. They are very clearly Vajra missles.

[Duke Togo]

The VF-27 may be a NUNS fighter. Nothing definitive besides a hard to see logo to say that.

I'd put money on it. The NUNS insignia and the fact that its named "VF-27" makes it pretty clear to me.

[kalvasflam]

Finally saw the epsiode, great animation this time around. Although we don't know much more about the Varja than before. Now, we're throwing in another mysterious element, and we don't really even know why the VF-27 was there in the Varja ship yet. But what I saw of the VF-27 seem to be very impressive, especially the control systems. I wonder if we'll find out more next week.