Macross Frontier Episode 7 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[Kronnang Dunn]

you didnt see this one?

Wow!!! Nope... Hehehe... Thx for the pic. So the VF-27 is N.U.N.S. That would explain why it shot the small Vajra onboard the carrier & didn't help S.M.S. (expendables?). Perhaps its orders were to observe & recollect data from the Vajra. I bet the VF-27 was made from merging Vajra technology & the VF-25... So Leon/Bilrer are really the bad guys!!! Galactic Conspiracy!!!!

If the Vajra aren't Mr.Bilrer's creations, they must be... PROTOCULTURE!!!!

Edited May 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Vegas]

Edited May 17, 2008 by Vegas Valkyrie

[Kronnang Dunn]

Nonono... I know is N.U.N.S.... Just didn't watch it clearly until I brightened the image...

So the other "alien symbols" must be only some kind of tech patterns... But they aren't Zentradi like I said before... (unless they are Protoculture & Mr. Bilrer is one of them, hehe).

Edited May 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Shun]

can anyone confirm the authenticity of this? if so, this is what the purple gem is all about

マクロス VF-X2

超空間共振水晶体

2043年に発見された水晶体。特定の波長の振動を与えることにより空間共振現象を引き起こす。次世代の通信、超空間航行を可能にすると言われている。

[Project Phoenix]

Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the VF-27 is either from a third unnamed colony fleet, survivors from the 117th Research Fleet, or from Earth.

Harmonica's familiarity with the song "Aimo" is really making me think he and his squad are from the 117th.

[Kronnang Dunn]

Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the VF-27 is either from a third unnamed colony fleet, survivors from the 117th Research Fleet, or from Earth.

Harmonica's familiarity with the song "Aimo" is really making me think he and his squad are from the 117th.

Nope... Harmonica is N.U.N.S... Check it out...

This must mean that Leon knows about Ranka's origin/abilities (like it seemed from previous episodes) & Ranka has some kind of relation to Brera Sterne...

[darkrealmbahamut]

I have to say though the VF-27 seems to put even the VF-25 to shame. Did you see how easily it managed to enter the carrier?

[Gubaba]

can anyone confirm the authenticity of this? if so, this is what the purple gem is all about

マクロス VF-X2

超空間共振水晶体

2043年に発見された水晶体。特定の波長の振動を与えることにより空間共振現象を引き起こす。次世代の通信、超空間航行を可能にすると言われている。

What is that from? I'm too lazy to grab my kanji dictionary right now, but from what I can glean, it seems dodgy...

[wolfx]

Well, even the Destroid Work (Workroid?) looked like the Cheyenne. It was to be expected

Finally, one that notices the Aquarion reference In 2chan (or was 2ch?) they understood it immediately.

By the way, in Aquarion there was a "PSG Quantum Reaction Cannon"

Well, just looking at the design, you could notice it is purple (color of enemies in Macross), has feet split in three parts (for Kawamori this is sign of evil alignment) and Brera looks like a "former friend" Kawamori type of character (Guld, Folken, Toma).

FV

I didn't notice the Work Destroid looking like a cheyenne....i thought it looked more like a Warhammer from Battletech.

I think it was pretty obvious to those who have seen Aquarion.

3 part legs = evil feet?

I think a new meme is born.

Lets see enemy mecha and which ones have "evil feet"

Regult = Yes

Glaug = Yes

N-ger = No

Q-rau = No

VA-3 = Yes

SV-51 = Yes

that varauta mech (VF-14?) = No

Ok, i wet myself... Now to await some sub's on youtube...

-The VF-27 is most definately a foe, most certainly Varja or aligned with the Varja. When Alto lifted Luca's arm, in turn making his Valkyrie fire rounds to free itself, the VF-27's reaction (disarming the EVF-25's gunpod) was extremely meant to keep them contained and handled (the continued keeping aim on a clearly defencely opponent shows Hostile Intent). Now the why it left once the Varja carrier opened it's mouth to fire?

VF-27s might just be "interested" with the Vajra, not exactly aligned with them.

I'm still wondering why there is a giant fold booster in that vajra ship and why Luca is so surprised by it.

Richard Vilra might be the original Breetai from Space War 1. He has the right eye implant thing and all. Apart from MacPlus there was always a returning chars of heroes of SW1 in all Macross series after all.

Why it left, probably looking for something in the Vajra ship but didn't find it or something.

Minor grumbling: I realise that Frontier has dropped all of the audio sfx from the rest of the Macross series (though one can say this happpened since Macross Zero). Everything from the thruster sounds, the gunpod sounds, folding sounds, transformation sounds, none was retained. Although I see there is quite a need to upgrade the sound effects, just kinda sad that we don't get to hear the familiar sounds.

[Gubaba]

Richard Vilra might be the original Breetai from Space War 1. He has the right eye implant thing and all. Apart from MacPlus there was always a returning chars of heroes of SW1 in all Macross series after all.

Plus had *kind of* a cameo, since Millard was in Skull Squadron in 2011, according to the Macross Classic Drama Album (Of course, it also features Hikaru meeting the Macross 7 Flower Girl, so it's canonicity is a little suspect...)

But doesn't Birla have the wrong skin color for Britai...? I still say it's

Admiral Rick Hunter

. He got sick of playing with Alpha Fighters and wanted to get his hands on some REAL mecha...

Minor grumbling: I realise that Frontier has dropped all of the audio sfx from the rest of the Macross series (though one can say this happpened since Macross Zero). Everything from the thruster sounds, the gunpod sounds, folding sounds, transformation sounds, none was retained. Although I see there is quite a need to upgrade the sound effects, just kinda sad that we don't get to hear the familiar sounds.

You know what I miss? The little whirring sound that the roving vending machines and trashbots make.

[Hikuro]

can anyone confirm the authenticity of this? if so, this is what the purple gem is all about

マクロス VF-X2

超空間共振水晶体

2043年に発見された水晶体。特定の波長の振動を与えることにより空間共振現象を引き起こす。次世代の通信、超空間航行を可能にすると言われている。

Spaceless resonance lens The lens found in 2043. Spatial resonance phenomenon is caused by giving vibration of the specific wavelength. It's said that they enable communication of the next generation and spaceless sailing.

taken from the OCN translation site......sometimes it works well, othertimes not so well.

[badboy00z]

I have to say though the VF-27 seems to put even the VF-25 to shame. Did you see how easily it managed to enter the carrier?

Maybe it's just the pilot being superior.

[Kronnang Dunn]

can anyone confirm the authenticity of this? if so, this is what the purple gem is all about

マクロス VF-X2

超空間共振水晶体

2043年に発見された水晶体。特定の波長の振動を与えることにより空間共振現象を引き起こす。次世代の通信、超空間航行を可能にすると言われている。

Babel Fish translation:

"[makurosu] VF-X2 The lens which is discovered to super spatial resonance lens 2043. Spatial resonance phenomenon is caused by giving the vibration of wave length of specification. It is said that communication and super space flight of the next generation are made possible..."

It makes sense to me... perhaps that's the material they used for Richard Bilrer's Ring, Sheryl's earring, Brera's clip & Ranka's... protrusion?

[Gubaba]

Babel Fish translation:

"[makurosu] VF-X2 The lens which is discovered to super spatial resonance lens 2043. Spatial resonance phenomenon is caused by giving the vibration of wave length of specification. It is said that communication and super space flight of the next generation are made possible..."

It makes sense to me... perhaps that's the material they used for Richard Bilrer's Ring, Sheryl's earring, Brera's clip & Ranka's... protrusion?

Replace "Super Spatial" and "Super Space" with "Super Dimension," and that's just about got it...and that's what makes it seem dodgy to me.

[Gubaba]

The unidenitfied logo below the cockpit of the VF-27...isn't it the Frontier logo (like in ep.6, right before President Glass gives his announcement)...?

[Shun]

what i'm interested in is whether the information is authentic. i didn't play the macross game VF-X2?, so i dunno if the info is correct.

i got this from a chat room, and the guy told me he read it from a message board.

[cyde01]

wow i never knew that was a part of vf-x2. how do those things fit in to the story of vf-x2? are they purple?

here's a more proper translation:

super dimensional resonance crystal

crystals discovered in 2043. applying a vibration of a certain wavelength to it causes a dimensional resonance phenomenon. it is said to make possible next generation communication and super dimensional navigation technology.

lol not too different from the babel fish translation, but if this is the case it lends credence to the theory that the earrings and the fold reactor are made of the same material. perhaps that means bilrer was using his ring to "watch" the battle unfold.

[Gubaba]

what i'm interested in is whether the information is authentic. i didn't play the macross game VF-X2?, so i dunno if the info is correct.

i got this from a chat room, and the guy told me he read it from a message board.

Well...it's not in the Compendium...but other than that, I dunno.

Is there a VF-X 2 expert in the house...?

EDIT: Hey, I'm Global's Pipe Holder now!

Edited May 17, 2008 by Gubaba

[Chronocidal]

The unidenitfied logo below the cockpit of the VF-27...isn't it the Frontier logo (like in ep.6, right before President Glass gives his announcement)...?

I had thought this earlier.. but after looking at it I'm not so sure... this might be a different logo than the one you're thinking of though.

[Shun]

wow i never knew that was a part of vf-x2. how do those things fit in to the story of vf-x2? are they purple?

here's a more proper translation:

super dimensional resonance crystal

crystals discovered in 2043. applying a vibration of a certain wavelength to it causes a dimensional resonance phenomenon. it is said to make possible next generation communication and super dimensional navigation technology.

lol not too different from the babel fish translation, but if this is the case it lends credence to the theory that the earrings and the fold reactor are made of the same material. perhaps that means bilrer was using his ring to "watch" the battle unfold.

yup... Vilra/Bilrer/Birla was not with the President, Leon and the other guys at the viewing room, which means he is viewing from another place. but why all the secrecy with Birla?

the new prototype fold communications device which is attached to Luca's RVF-25, the technology and material might probably be provided by Birla too...

Edited May 17, 2008 by Shun

[Morpheus]

yup... Vilra/Bilrer/Birla was not with the President, Leon and the other guys at the viewing room, which means he is viewing from another place. but why all the secrecy with Birla?

the new prototype fold communications device which is attached to Luca's RVF-25, the technology and material might probably be provided by Birla too...

Vilra could be a full size Zentran. So I quess the sory will revolve around fold technology then. Rmember when they are surprised to see the Vajra carrier fold in from the fold dislocation? Maybe purple crystal + song/whatever energy = fold energy manipulation.

[RichterX]

Well if the story revolves around fold technology I hope they answer the greatest mystery in Macross history...

Where did the fold generator of the Macross end at?

Maybe it mix with some random genetic material left by the Protoculture and that created the Vajira

Edited May 17, 2008 by RichterX

[Kronnang Dunn]

Well if the story revolves around fold technology I hope they answer the greatest mystery in Macross history...

Where did the fold generator of the Macross end at?

Maybe it mix with some random genetic material left by the Protoculture and that created the Vajira

That sounds pretty far out & interesting... I like it!

wow i never knew that was a part of vf-x2. how do those things fit in to the story of vf-x2? are they purple?

here's a more proper translation:

super dimensional resonance crystal

crystals discovered in 2043. applying a vibration of a certain wavelength to it causes a dimensional resonance phenomenon. it is said to make possible next generation communication and super dimensional navigation technology.

lol not too different from the babel fish translation, but if this is the case it lends credence to the theory that the earrings and the fold reactor are made of the same material. perhaps that means bilrer was using his ring to "watch" the battle unfold.

That is the best translation/explanation ever.

It seems to me those pink crystals must enable an easier fold communication & could help avoid fold dislocation. Maybe the Fold transmission device in Luca's VF had that type of crystal. Perhaps that's what the Vajra are after... Maybe it lures them somehow... That's why they attacked Frontier in the first place... & why they captured Luca instead of killing him. Where's Ranka's crystal I wonder????

Edited May 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[Final Vegeta]

yup... Vilra/Bilrer/Birla was not with the President, Leon and the other guys at the viewing room, which means he is viewing from another place. but why all the secrecy with Birla?

If he is on Frontier, his implants could be illegal.

FV

[Final Vegeta]

I think it was pretty obvious to those who have seen Aquarion.

Yeah, but everyone was saying "this looks very super robotish" without getting to the point...

By the way, the storyboard of this episode is by Kawamori

3 part legs = evil feet?

I think a new meme is born.

Lets see enemy mecha and which ones have "evil feet"

Regult = Yes

Glaug = Yes

N-ger = No

Q-rau = No

VA-3 = Yes

SV-51 = Yes

that varauta mech (VF-14?) = No

N-Ger e Q-Rau weren't designed by Kawamori. Also SDF Macross mecha may not count because the mecha design changed after Kawamori's trip to India (pointy feet became a trademark of Kawamori).

The Elgerzorene (varauta mech) had evil feet, and I think even the VF-14 had them, although there's not much lineart about it. Only the Saubergeran didn't. Also the YF-21 didn't have them, although it did have 3 exhaust nozzle flaps. The SV-51 had them.

Of non-Macross designs, Aquarion Mars had them (but I won't spoiler).

FV

[whispo]

Where's Ranka's crystal I wonder????

Let me go into Überfarfetched-theory mode;

Remember Ranka's belly glowing? That light kinda looked like the light from when Alto was stuck in the Vajra battleship and he heared Sheryl/Ranka singing. Perhaps......

What if the Vajra can hear songs from people like Sheryl or Ranka and have been able to for a long time. That might explain why they are after frontier/galaxy and why they constantly react to Ranka's singing.

Überfarfetched-theory mode off.

Anyway yeah, the crystal seems to allow for communication, since Alto did hear Sheryl/Ranka sing. I too think that the earings are made of the same kind of crystal.

[vanpang]

I have inverted the colours of the image to have a better look. Is that really the NUN's logo ?

original picture

Edited May 17, 2008 by vanpang

[TehPW]

I have inverted the colours of the image to have a better look. Is that really the NUN's logo ?

Most everyone that's posted think it's NUNS. I am still uncertain/unconvinced. The crescent looks the same but no circle with the crescent. That is, the symbol on the VF-27 doesn't match exactly what's been seen on the VF-171. That's why i don't think the VF-27 is from HUMAN/ZENTRAN United Nations Space Forces. It's just done too much interferance to be friendly... it's like Dallas/Bobby Heuwing all over again...

[Duke Togo]

There are two other shots, which are fuzzy, which seem to show the NUNS logo as well. We won't really know for sure until we get a clearer picture. Even if we aren't 100% sure on the insignia, the fighter is designated "VF-27", and there isn't any precedent in Macross for the UN to designate enemy fighters using their own naming conventions. They didn't in Zero, and they didn't in 7, the two series where we saw enemy variable fighters.

[Duke Togo]

While I'm at it, Harmonica has Zentradi ears and carries a harmonica. He's atleast partially Zentradi and at some point his family was from the UN colonies.

Personally, I think Kawamori would totally be jumping the shark if we actually saw the Protoculture. Their mystery is far more important than their reality. Where would you go form there? Oh look, no we have the ultimate power in the galaxy, the beings that created all of us. He might as well have God show up.

I don't imagine we'll see any Protoculture in this series. Hell, the Vajra could have been left behind to defend something that is no longer there, an automated defense system that was never turned off.

[Westlo]

I wonder if there's any chance of us seeing Battle 25 doing a transformation--I suppose no, since it's been done enough in M7...

Of course we'll see Battle 25... how else will they top the amazing poo in this episode from the Monster & Quarter.

[veffidas]

Okay, let's try to put this to rest. With some image processing you can see that the teardrop is enclosed in the same rounded rhombus of the N.U.N.S. insignia:

Edited May 17, 2008 by veffidas

[junior]

There is a resemblence there, but...

- The "thing" isn't sharply defined in the image, which makes it difficult to be certain what it is, and

- That's an odd location for a logo identifiying who the fighter is affiliated with. It's not exactly easy to spot, and it doesn't make much sense to virtually hide the logo there while not including it in much more visible locations (such as the forward fusilage of the plane, which is always a popular spot for this sort of thing in Macross). If there's a logo on the wing, then I would expect it to be more centered then that is.

[Duke Togo]

- That's an odd location for a logo identifiying who the fighter is affiliated with. It's not exactly easy to spot, and it doesn't make much sense to virtually hide the logo there while not including it in much more visible locations

We have several pictures of what looks to be the insignia on the tops of the wings posted in this thread. Seek and you shall find.

[veffidas]

Really, I think the "thing" is just about as sharply defined as the official website image of it on the VF-171:

http://www.macrossf.com/mechanic/mecha04.html

Given that certain liberties are taken in the animation (you'll notice that Kathy's insignia usually never has the horizontal line), it's similiar enough.