Radd Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Unlike the other NMC, Battle-13 are seems to be made specifically for combat (the other NMC are designed to act as a command center for New macross Colony Ship). Also the lack of PPB since Macross 7 may indicate that PPB system for capital ships is probably has been replace by a full barrier system (repulsion field). Actually, I believe the stats on the Compendium state that NMC ships do have pin point barrier systems. There was a lengthy thread on this topic a while back. *edit* Er, somewhat misread that. Is there anything to indicate that the ships in Frontier do not have them? Edited July 16, 2008 by Radd
Radd Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 So far the Macross Galaxy and it's fleet are mysteries. It did have what appeared to be Zentradi escort ships Well, the Kaitos style ship resembles Zentradi designs (actually it more resembles the design of your typical Imperial battleship from LotGH, but yeah...) but I didn't see anything that looked like it was a Zentradi ship. Also we have several sources confirming that Galaxy had no Zentradi.
RedWolf Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 *edit* Er, somewhat misread that. Is there anything to indicate that the ships in Frontier do not have them? Seems to me that Frontier's repulsion field is a set of overlapping pin-point barriers. VF-171 can do the pin-point barrier punch. The knives of the VF-25 and VF-27 I think are pin-point barrier based.
Radd Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Seems to me that Frontier's repulsion field is a set of overlapping pin-point barriers. I was kinda thinking the same thing. The "pinging" effect as the shields were ordered to the rear made me think PPB.
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Actually, I believe the stats on the Compendium state that NMC ships do have pin point barrier systems. There was a lengthy thread on this topic a while back. *edit* Er, somewhat misread that. Is there anything to indicate that the ships in Frontier do not have them? As far as I know, no ship in Frontier has been seen using them (Machida punches aside). Of course absense of proof is not proof in itself. When Frontier itself came under heavy fire a barrier system reffered to as "Repulsive field" was used. Not a PPB since it covered the whole vessel, but seemed different from the ODB of the Macross as well (not exploding when its limit is hit).
sketchley Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 VF-171 gun pod - IMHO, the gun pod is in the exact same place as it is in the VF-17. Those leg missile launchers? They're not new either. The VF-17 has weapon pallets (aka option for internal missile launchers) in those locations. See:
Mr March Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Was the PPB shown for the M7 NMC? Yes, the final episode shows the Macross 7 using the pin-point barrier system, with many more movable discs that the old three on the SDF-1 Macross. If I recall, there was about 9 or 10 discs visible at once on the Battle 7.
RedWolf Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 So far we've determined there are at least 4 NMC battleship carrier variants. I've been talking with March about the original city blocks seen in Macross 7. Unlike Macross 7 or 5 they did not have shelldomes. In episode 1 of Macross 7 there were 4 of them. So in terms of city ships we have the one above. City 7 which spoilered with the vegetation plant and Akusho. The Zentradi pimped out city blocks of Macross 5. City 7 Macross 5 city block. Just before 2038 the shelldome became the standard. Frontier's main island ship and its web of islands is a totally different ballgame.
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Very interesting Probably goes to show that every NMC is unqiue. Should we really be calling them ships instead of cities in space? Of course they're both but what city is identical to another city in every aspect... heck so far even the NMC battle carriers we've seen have all been different from each other in some way. Imagine with each new ship, new innovations or design changes take place, each time resulting in something different from last time. With frontier and galaxy being new types alltogether (though you can argue the island cluster class is a progression of the NMC, obivously) it makes me wonder if any other fleets after 21 were new designs as well or yet more NMCs...
ChronoReverse Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Yes, the final episode shows the Macross 7 using the pin-point barrier system, with many more movable discs that the old three on the SDF-1 Macross. If I recall, there was about 9 or 10 discs visible at once on the Battle 7. Thanks, I could've sworn I saw the M7 with PPBs so I thought it was a strange assertion to make that the NMCs haven't been shown using PPBs
Mr March Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Some great screen shots for the conversation, courtesy of DarkReaper (big thanks!) One for RedWolf And a composite picture for ChronoReverse
Morpheus Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 And a composite picture for ChronoReverse Great shot Mr.March, that shot also clearly shows Battle-7 rail cannons on the shoulders and armored plating on the hangars. With that many PPB that almost cover the entire Battle-7, why didn't they use full barrier instead makes me wonder .
RedWolf Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Some great screen shots for the conversation, courtesy of DarkReaper (big thanks!) snip~ Oh goody thank guys. Very interesting Probably goes to show that every NMC is unqiue. Should we really be calling them ships instead of cities in space? Of course they're both but what city is identical to another city in every aspect... heck so far even the NMC battle carriers we've seen have all been different from each other in some way. Imagine with each new ship, new innovations or design changes take place, each time resulting in something different from last time. With frontier and galaxy being new types alltogether (though you can argue the island cluster class is a progression of the NMC, obivously) it makes me wonder if any other fleets after 21 were new designs as well or yet more NMCs... Guess it is. Each City ship is unique looking at the web domes. Then again what city planner would want an exact copy of the last city that was built. Unlike Macross 5 or Macross 7, Macross 1 had three fins instead of 2. Macross 7 City seven may have been unique as it has only one city ship. Macross 1 had 4 city ships and Macross 5 had 3 city ships. Some were wondering why Macross 17 in Macross Frontier were double in the prologue. Multiple city ship may be in fact standard. Macross 7 fleet was unique as it cramed specialization and luxury into several ships.
sketchley Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) Great shot Mr.March, that shot also clearly shows Battle-7 rail cannons on the shoulders and armored plating on the hangars. With that many PPB that almost cover the entire Battle-7, why didn't they use full barrier instead makes me wonder . Unlike pseudo-science shows like Star Trek, Macross is a bit more "realistic" when it comes to barriers. A full barrier blocks stuff from going in, right? It also stops stuff from going out as well. Hence, barrier. Which makes fighting, let alone launching VFs to attack the enemy nigh impossible. Edited July 17, 2008 by sketchley
Morpheus Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Oh goody thank guys. Guess it is. Each City ship is unique looking at the web domes. Then again what city planner would want an exact copy of the last city that was built. Unlike Macross 5 or Macross 7, Macross 1 had three fins instead of 2. Macross 7 City seven may have been unique as it has only one city ship. Macross 1 had 4 city ships and Macross 5 had 3 city ships. Some were wondering why Macross 17 in Macross Frontier were double in the prologue. Multiple city ship may be in fact standard. Macross 7 fleet was unique as it cramed specialization and luxury into several ships. Don't forget that Macross 7 fleet is also consist of several 'city' ship which are not classified as New Macross class. They got Riviera resort ship, Hollywod amusement ship, Three Star Factory ship, Sunnyflower agriculture ship, Beginhill Military training ship and some royal casino ship. Each of these vessel (except Beginhill and the casino ship) contain a self sustained city.
d3v Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Don't forget that Macross 7 fleet is also consist of several 'city' ship which are not classified as New Macross class. They got Riviera resort ship, Hollywod amusement ship, Three Star Factory ship, Sunnyflower agriculture ship, Beginhill Military training ship and some royal casino ship. Each of these vessel (except Beginhill and the casino ship) contain a self sustained city. Well I wouldn't say a whole city, the support ships contained more or less the equivalents of small to medium sized towns.
Zinjo Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Some great screen shots for the conversation, courtesy of DarkReaper (big thanks!) One for RedWolf And a composite picture for ChronoReverse The compendium lists the Macross 1 as the only city ship to sail without a shell dome, it seems these ships do not yet have them installed
Zinjo Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 First pic Battle 7 and Battle 5. (Battle 5 is more Zentradi-ish) Second pic Battle 7 and Battle 13 (Battle 13 seems to be more well armored ) Third pic Battle 25. (Doesn't have a protusion on it's gunship.) A very least there are four variants of New Macross Class. Well the Macross 25 could be a block 5 version of the carrier with various upgrades, although without a close up shot of the ship not much can be gathered from Marchomatic's image enhancement.
RedWolf Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 The compendium lists the Macross 1 as the only city ship to sail without a shell dome, it seems these ships do not yet have them installed Well Macross 5 had 3 NMCs. It is not unbelievable that Macross 1 could have in fact 4 New Macross Class ships without a shell dome. Macross 1 is intermediary design between the Megaroad class and the current New Macross class with shell dome. The whole open city concept was derived from Megaroad class. Then they started to realize that PBB alone as protection ain't enough. Since it is this shape lets put clam shell armor. Also notice Macross 1 has three fins not the two fins we see in Macross 7 and 5.
Mr March Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 In addition to the three vertical fins, it's interesting to note that City 1 has a symmetrical dome "web", unlike City 5 and City 7.
RedWolf Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 In addition to the three vertical fins, it's interesting to note that City 1 has a symmetrical dome "web", unlike City 5 and City 7. I'm going out of the limb here that each city dome web is unique according to the city planners designs. Looking at the prologue the first generation NMC city blocks are each different in that aspect. Even Macross 5 isn't the same as Macross 7 in dome webs.
DarkReaper Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 The cities also actually are octagonal instead of clam shaped.
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 The YF-24 looks like a combination of the YF-21/VF-22 and the F-22 Raptor.
Master Dex Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 The YF-24 looks like a combination of the YF-21/VF-22 and the F-22 Raptor. On that note... I also posted this in the ep.15 discussion, but it can get more talk here. In spoiler tags while the 12 hour spoiler period for ep.15 is in effect. Screens of the YF-24 schematic shots. YF-24 top and side view and comparison shots YF-24 side view VF-25 side view I see what you mean Guld, I imagined a while back to myself that this is what the 24 would look like as it seems to be a combination of the 25 and 27 fuselage but without the 27's wing engines, which makes sense since that seems like an enhancement done with the 27 specifically. I am surprised that my idea of the 24 turned out so close to the actual thing.
grss1982 Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 On that note... I also posted this in the ep.15 discussion, but it can get more talk here. In spoiler tags while the 12 hour spoiler period for ep.15 is in effect. Screens of the YF-24 schematic shots. YF-24 top and side view and comparison shots YF-24 side view VF-25 side view I see what you mean Guld, I imagined a while back to myself that this is what the 24 would look like as it seems to be a combination of the 25 and 27 fuselage but without the 27's wing engines, which makes sense since that seems like an enhancement done with the 27 specifically. I am surprised that my idea of the 24 turned out so close to the actual thing. Very interesting pics there Master Dex. So............. if the YF-24 did exist this could make it possible for SK to make a NEW Macross Plus-type OVA/Movie featuring the YF-24.
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) Very interesting pics there Master Dex. So............. if the YF-24 did exist this could make it possible for SK to make a NEW Macross Plus-type OVA/Movie featuring the YF-24. That would nice if SK did or possible it might get animated in a flashback scene in a future episode. This could possible be one the few fighter designs we see from SK that are part of main story of a series or videogame. For instance the VF-X-2, VF-X-3, VF-5, VF-6, VF-7, VF-15, VF-16 were never animated or have any images to my knowledge, but are apart of Macross history according to the Macross Compendium. Edited July 18, 2008 by Chief Guld Goa Bowman
d3v Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 On that note... I also posted this in the ep.15 discussion, but it can get more talk here. In spoiler tags while the 12 hour spoiler period for ep.15 is in effect. Screens of the YF-24 schematic shots. YF-24 top and side view and comparison shots YF-24 side view VF-25 side view From the top, it looks almost like an F-22 with those large wings.
Sumdumgai Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 I just noticed something while going back through earlier episodes. In episode 11, around 16:42 (on the AnimeTake raw) when Alto's looking out into space, Mihail's VF-25 comes up into view. We can clearly see the gunpod attached in the traditional manner with the grip tucked between the arms in fighter mode.
wolfx Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Did anyone catch what was being said about the YF-24/VF-25? Something about LAI.
Master Dex Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Very interesting pics there Master Dex. So............. if the YF-24 did exist this could make it possible for SK to make a NEW Macross Plus-type OVA/Movie featuring the YF-24. You are quite welcome. I'd love to see an OVA or movie do that, would be awesome. I agree on the F-22 bit, actually that is what I used to see when I looked at the VF-22. After getting to know that plane though I don't see it as much, but the 24 definitely has it.
ChronoReverse Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 I suppose you can see some resemblance because of the large wings but I don't really get the F-22 vibes from the YF-24. The F-22 doesn't have delta wings and it also has tail control surfaces (which I can't recall what they're called for some reason). The intakes on the F-22 are also a lot more "square" when viewed from the top.
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 I suppose you can see some resemblance because of the large wings but I don't really get the F-22 vibes from the YF-24. The F-22 doesn't have delta wings and it also has tail control surfaces (which I can't recall what they're called for some reason). The intakes on the F-22 are also a lot more "square" when viewed from the top. The F-22 Raptor does have delta wings.
Bowen Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Okay, episode 15 seriously got me doubting which is cooler, Ozma's Valkyrie or his car That thing is awesome
d3v Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 I suppose you can see some resemblance because of the large wings but I don't really get the F-22 vibes from the YF-24. The F-22 doesn't have delta wings and it also has tail control surfaces (which I can't recall what they're called for some reason). The intakes on the F-22 are also a lot more "square" when viewed from the top. It's the shape and size of the wings in proportion to the rest of the craft.
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