Major Focker Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 ah, simple enough to make sense. wondering though if prior gunpods found this necessary too. now thinking about michel's, it's been mentioned somewhere that those X things are supposed to be stabilizers. those stabilizers cannot deploy while in fighter mode. do they close on the barrel completely (doesn't make sense if it did)? have we seen michel firing the gunpod in fighter mode? or does he rely on other mounted guns? just curious.
Graham Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 We haven't seen Michael fire his Sniper rifle in fighter mode yet. I'm wondering if like Breara's rifle, Michael's has the capability to fire on full-auto, or rapid semi-auto, but at a reduced power level? Even if Michael's rifle can't fire in fighter mode, he still has his wing root/hip guns as back up. Graham
grss1982 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) OK so episode 12 has been out for days, but I have'nt seen anyone raise eyebrows at Alto's VF-25 suddenly having a backseat? Magic??? Even Mikhail's VF had a fracking backseat. I mean check this out: No silhoutte of backseat seen: http://i27.tinypic.com/301kdv8.jpg Backseat later on in episode: http://i27.tinypic.com/5we4qp.jpg NOTE: if viewed from the side you should theoritically see the silhoutte of the backseat. I mean what's up with that. BTW, pics were taken from Random Curiosity. Edited June 30, 2008 by grss1982
d3v Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 OK so episode 12 has been out for days, but I have'nt seen anyone raise eyebrows at Alto's VF-25 suddenly having a backseat? Magic??? Even Mikhail's VF had a fracking backseat. I mean check this out: No silhoutte of backseat seen: http://i27.tinypic.com/301kdv8.jpg Backseat later on in episode: http://i27.tinypic.com/5we4qp.jpg NOTE: if viewed from the side you should theoritically see the silhoutte of the backseat. I mean what's up with that. BTW, pics were taken from Random Curiosity. Maybe the rear seat it stowed and can be deployed when needed, possibly to carry a second crewman when the mission calls for it?
Alex SDU Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Hi everybody! This is my 1st post in Macross World. I've been monitoring this website for years now before finally I was able to register recently... Anyway, back to business; Like d3v said, I think the rear seat can be stowed, much like YF-19, if I not mistaken. We haven't seen Michael fire his Sniper rifle in fighter mode yet. I'm wondering if like Breara's rifle, Michael's has the capability to fire on full-auto, or rapid semi-auto, but at a reduced power level? Even if Michael's rifle can't fire in fighter mode, he still has his wing root/hip guns as back up. Graham Maybe the gunpod fire like regular gunpod in fighter mode with the exception of lower rate of fire, perhaps. Beside, the stabilizer only use for...well, stabilize the gunpod during sniping. Well, that just me 5 cents opinion. BTW, is that Zentraedi soldier at the right of the pic wearing a glasses?
d3v Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) BTW, is that Zentraedi soldier at the right of the pic wearing a glasses? Reading porno mags the size of your toenails can do that to you. Edited June 30, 2008 by d3v
Kelsain Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Maybe the rear seat it stowed and can be deployed when needed, possibly to carry a second crewman when the mission calls for it? Or maybe it's a module that can be fitted easily into the cockpit. Perhaps Mikhail had the module swapped from his VF into Alto's for Ranka's trip home. Then he would follow behind with Sheryl's ship using the standard fold systems.
grss1982 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Maybe the rear seat it stowed and can be deployed when needed, possibly to carry a second crewman when the mission calls for it? BTW, another thing just popped into my mind. Is the backseat also an Ex-Gear???
d3v Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) BTW, another thing just popped into my mind. Is the backseat also an Ex-Gear??? I don't think so, in one of the pics you posted earlier, you can clearly see that EX-Gear's shoulders on the front seat, while the rear one doesn't seem to have any. Edited June 30, 2008 by d3v
azrael Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 We haven't seen Michael fire his Sniper rifle in fighter mode yet. I'm wondering if like Breara's rifle, Michael's has the capability to fire on full-auto, or rapid semi-auto, but at a reduced power level? The VF-27's seems more akin to a greneider-style rifle (i.e. your choice of rifle + grenade launcher). I would say Mikhail's rifle fires only semi-auto. Full-auto would seem somewhat hap-hazard for a sniping-based rifle.
Kronnang Dunn Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) I believe those long thingies the Qs are equipped with are reaction missles, not fast packs. Of course... That's what I've been saying all along... I want to see the Zentradi Marines blow the Vajra away with those reaction warheads... Edited June 30, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn
Mr March Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) The YF-19 also had a second seat that was not deployed most of the time, so the VF-25 Messiah's second seat isn't exactly something new. YF-19 single seat config YF-19 two-seat config EDIT: Corrected links Edited July 1, 2008 by Mr March
David Hingtgen Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 I've also always wondered if cockpit canopies in Macross still use traditional glass or some type of strengthened plastic or what not. Modern canopies are *amazingly* flexible when hit. If you ever find footage of an F-16 or F-22 bird-strike test, you'll be impressed. (They have the most advanced canopies of any fighter---F-35 should be the same) :;edit:: Found it--watch and wonder how they make this stuff:
eugimon Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 That's not natural man... makes me think that the alien conspiracy guys are right!
Kronnang Dunn Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) That is so damn cool. This is even cooler... (Just found it in 4chan). Edited June 30, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn
Mr March Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 An excellent find Kronnang! That is a fantastic painting!
Kronnang Dunn Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 An excellent find Kronnang! That is a fantastic painting! Thank you. I'm surprised by the quality of it too... Could it be official art?
RichterX Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Thank you. I'm surprised by the quality of it too... Could it be official art? it looks like the art work they put into the model boxes
Master Dex Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Wow, good find Kronnang, that is very nice. The engineer in me is gushing out like that bunch of Zentradi when Ranka came a' singing.
Major Focker Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 SMS007? is that alto's number or the one who painted it also happens to be a james bond fan? a work of art. really like how the perspective stretches the nose making it look even sleeker than it already is.
Master Dex Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 SMS007? is that alto's number or the one who painted it also happens to be a james bond fan? a work of art. really like how the perspective stretches the nose making it look even sleeker than it already is. 007 is indeed Alto's number, even though he's been called Skull 4 his valk has always had that number on it.
Kronnang Dunn Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) Thank you all. I will check 4chan regularly for more pics like that one... it looks like the art work they put into the model boxes Yes... I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the artist posted it in 4chan for feedback... Who knows? I just hope I find more mecha art like that soon. I want the Q-Rheas, the Vajra (large and small) and the Monster!!! Edited July 1, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn
UN Spacy Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Alto's original VF-25F (b/f episode 7) was always a one seater. Right? Is it still considered a VF-25F now that it's a two seater?
Kurisama Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 it looks like the art work they put into the model boxes Hmm.. I disagree there - doesn't look like Tenjin's art style at all - sure maybe at passing glance - but it definately isn't. Maybe it's a draft version, or a half way stage to the final image. Still it's nice art.
d3v Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) Modern canopies are *amazingly* flexible when hit. If you ever find footage of an F-16 or F-22 bird-strike test, you'll be impressed. (They have the most advanced canopies of any fighter---F-35 should be the same) :;edit:: Found it--watch and wonder how they make this stuff: If I recall correctly, for most other planes, only the front part of the canopy is that tough, the rest is usually designed to be slightly more brittle to allow the pilot+ejection seat to shatter it on ejection. The F-16 and F-22 are exceptions in that their canopies don't have the usual front/rear division meaning that they usually have to be blown completely off before the pilot can eject. Edited July 1, 2008 by d3v
Shun Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 The YF-19 also had a second seat that was not deployed most of the time, so the VF-25 Messiah's second seat isn't exactly something new. YF-19 single seat config YF-19 two-seat config dont see any difference?
Mr March Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 dont see any difference? Whoops, sorry about that. I corrected the second link. These are just links to material that's already on the Macross Mecha Manual, so should I fumble posting links on occasion you can just look under the line art section of the YF-19 profile in the Macross Plus section of the site.
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 We'll finally see how the VF-27 handles in the atmosphere in the next episode.
Master Dex Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 We'll finally see how the VF-27 handles in the atmosphere in the next episode. I bet it is a pretty good dogfighter with those 3D thrust vectors and beam weapons.
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 I bet it is a pretty good dogfighter with those 3D thrust vectors and beam weapons. You got that right.
ChronoReverse Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 In an atmosphere, wouldn't canards and wing surfaces be more important? Remember Milia and the VF-11 design? I'd imagine that the VF-27 could brute force its way with the said 3D thrust vectors, but it does seem a bit unaerodynamic.
d3v Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 I'm more concerned about the weight of the thing and how that affects its manueverability in a planetary environment.
Master Dex Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) I doubt it is any heavier than the VF-25. However I have wondered if it loses life because of the big engines in the middle of the wings. In the 27's case it is making up for lack of vertical stabilizers with the 3D thrust vectoring. I think the 27 does have canards (4 of them it seems) though so that shouldn't be a problem. However we do have to remember the VF-27 seems more designed for anti-ship and search and destroy missions rather than air/space superiority like the VF-25 so it may not fare as well as it seems (unless Brera and his mental interface can compensate). Edited July 2, 2008 by Master Dex
d3v Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 However we do have to remember the VF-27 seems more designed for anti-ship and search and destroy missions rather than air/space superiority like the VF-25 so it may not fare as well as it seems (unless Brera and his mental interface can compensate). Agreed, the fact that the VF-25 was more than a match for it in episode 9 makes me think that the erratic movemetns that it can do are more for dodging large volumes of anti-aircraft fire than dogfighting.
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