Macross Frontier Episode 6 Talkback Thread *READ 1st Post*

[Zinjo]

we'll see them if Papa Bandai wants to sell them... though The Froating Head's explaination about not wanting to use the VF-19 for CF duties on MF sounds allot like why we never saw any CF Connies in TNG or DS9, where as we saw every frigging Miranda, Excelsior or Oberth in starfleet...

but again, i'll bet the people paying the Froating Head told him what they did want...

Well there are many financial considerations with respect the the VF-19.

Bandai, Yamato, Hasegawa, etc... have the VF-19 as a hero fighter in their catalog. Relegating it to CF might affect those sales (at least in their minds), thus it may have been that SK planned on using the 19 as a CF, but BW partners and sponsors of the shows wouldn't have it.

The hero comment may have been to save face in the wake of being told "you can't do that" by the money men.

[wolfx]

Great...i am actually counting the minutes left to ep 7.....watching it live on streaming.

-___-;;

[Tobi54]

Great...i am actually counting the minutes left to ep 7.....watching it live on streaming.

-___-;;

Edit: was supossed to be a PM >_>

Edited May 15, 2008 by Tobi54

[wolfx]

Sorry....false alarm.

http://pages.tvunetworks.com/downloads/player.html#

It doesn't have MBS channel....but TBS instead....damit. Its showing xxxHolic now. -___-;;

Sorry Tobi. >_<

[Tobi54]

Sorry....false alarm.

http://pages.tvunetworks.com/downloads/player.html#

It doesn't have MBS channel....but TBS instead....damit. Its showing xxxHolic now. -___-;;

Sorry Tobi. >_<

LOL np

[Tsuchiro]

Sorry....false alarm.

http://pages.tvunetworks.com/downloads/player.html#

It doesn't have MBS channel....but TBS instead....damit. Its showing xxxHolic now. -___-;;

Sorry Tobi. >_<

i found the stream but i only watched half the ep

Edited May 15, 2008 by Tsuchiro

[wolfx]

i found the stream but i only watched half the ep

Better than me. I only caught the last 5 minutes. Ok the ep 7 thread is open. Discuss there.

[s001]

AMAZING FULL OF EMOTION EPISODE! Do you really care about the animation issues? C'MON GUYS THIS IS PURE MACROSS!

[VFTF1]

I haven't read anything in this thread yet and am only 0.6% away from completing my Gattai download!

So it'll be like Saturday Morning Cartoon again! Only this time Macross Frontier! Yay!

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[VFTF1]

Ok - having watched it: here are my comments:

How sad!!!

Insofar as episode 5 was like a beautiful joyous day on Frontier, this was a very melancholy episode...sniff...

I'm happy for Ranka; and I'm sad for her at the same time. She got what she dreamed of - she's been scouted, she has a fan club... but Alto lied to her (the ol' "cause I didn't want to hurt you") excuse.. He's obviously got feelings for Sheryl - but doesn't want to hurt Ranka so just doesn't talk about it.

Mikhael is right - Alto has to do something about this. If he doesn't want to be with Ranka, fine. He doesn't have to - but ...oh - on the other hand I guess it's hard...

I mean - Alto obviously hasn't decided yet - or rather - he's a pilot. There's really no sense in "deciding" - since it's not like he'll settle down with either Sheryl or Ranka... well - anyways - Ranka is obviously a bit hurt

But I guess I understand Alto - it's obvious him and Sheryl have more chemistry. Ranka is a bit girly with him - being self-effacing and what not - Sheryl ...she's more down to earth, more mature - and maybe there's something to build on in that... Maybe that's what Alto needs now.

Tough stuff.

The only happy note was Cathy Glass! I guess she belongs on the bridge! And I loved her little quarrel with Ozma - "I'm doing this for you Ozma!" - did I spy...emotions!? Positive emotions!? Did I also spy that she was freaked out when Leon asked her for a favor? She looked at the clock thinking "oh poo! he's off work!?" :)

Anyways - big plus for Cathy Glass....

And I guess big plus for the writers for creating characters who were not made of cardboard! The fact that my opinions of the characters change because their actions are too complex to stereotype them is a big plus!

I'm a little weary of NUNS military strategy. Why do they keep sending out scouts to get killed?

Is this a tradition dating back to SDF Macross?

And why oh why can't they finally develop some scouting technology that wouldn't commit Valkyrie and their pilots to the furnace?

That really is silly and annoying. Maybe it makes novice viewers think "ooh noo! this is really dangerous! Look! Those scouts just died!" but - it makes ME think "oh come on! Not again!"

So Sheryl and Alto are in love - I guess they have a lot in common... Ranka's pampered; she has Ozma who takes care of her and she's got a friend like Nanase. Alto and Sheryl really have nobody but eachother - so - I guess I can see the connection.

Anyways - all you guys going on and on about how great Sheryl was in episode 5 - I still think you're wrong. Sheryl was fun - but Ranka was the best in episode 5.

Sheryl struck a chord in me here - in episode 6. I loved her conversation with Alto - and I LOVE Alto's reaction to when Sheryl told the security gaurds "he's a friend."

Imagine if that was Hikaru?

"Minmey! I must see Minmey!"

"Let him through. Hikaru is my friend!"

"Eh!? Me?! Just a friend!? Is that how you see me?"

Alto is more mature - he's a much cooler lead character than Hikaru. I guess Hikaru had a bit to much of a blank slate in him - he was the young boy in the audience watching and wanting to imagine that he was us..er that we were him...oh you get it...

Alto obviously functions on a similar level - but he does have a more well defined character than Hikaru - and only after 6 episodes!

Of course - it's the scouting agent who is right... and damn- I gotta admit I love the fact that he can make those kind of arguments

VFTF1

[junior]

But I guess I understand Alto - it's obvious him and Sheryl have more chemistry. Ranka is a bit girly with him - being self-effacing and what not - Sheryl ...she's more down to earth, more mature - and maybe there's something to build on in that... Maybe that's what Alto needs now.

Sheryl is also, as of the time of Altoh's lie to Ranka, going home tomorrow (the announcement is a few minutes afterwards). Because of that, a relationship with her probably wouldn't work for Altoh (at least not until after the emergency announcement). In fact, when Sheryl asked Altoh how he liked Frontier in this episode, the first thing that popped into my head was, "She's sounding him out to see if he'd move to Galaxy." Also, while I think that Altoh and Sheryl do appear to be a good fit, they're still in the process of determining that. They still barely know each other, and will need to spend more time together to figure out their feelings.

The only happy note was Cathy Glass! I guess she belongs on the bridge! And I loved her little quarrel with Ozma - "I'm doing this for you Ozma!" - did I spy...emotions!? Positive emotions!? Did I also spy that she was freaked out when Leon asked her for a favor? She looked at the clock thinking "oh poo! he's off work!?" :)

I'm wondering about that favor. We never heard anything further on it, and it's possible that Leon (and not the president) is the reason that Cathy was on the ship.

Oh, and Leon is slimy. He may or may not be a bad guy in the series, but he's definitely slimy.

I'm a little weary of NUNS military strategy. Why do they keep sending out scouts to get killed?

Is this a tradition dating back to SDF Macross?

And why oh why can't they finally develop some scouting technology that wouldn't commit Valkyrie and their pilots to the furnace?

A few things with that scene.

First is that it's been mentioned in the series that the NUNS military has problems. Morale is low, and there's a ton of red tape involved in just about anything and everything. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the pilots are poorly trained. And if morale is low, then discipline is probably bad as well.

Second, I agree that the scout deployment had problems. There should have been some armed escorts accompanying the recon team. At least a couple of fighters per recon craft to help cover them.

Third, the recon team made a major error. The moment that they saw an unknown fold signal, they should have instantly turned and fled - not necessarily jumped out, but at least get enough room that the thing doesn't come out close enough that you can almost reach out and touch it. And maybe get enough room to safely fold out before it can swat you.

So Sheryl and Alto are in love - I guess they have a lot in common... Ranka's pampered; she has Ozma who takes care of her and she's got a friend like Nanase. Alto and Sheryl really have nobody but eachother - so - I guess I can see the connection.

Alto is more mature - he's a much cooler lead character than Hikaru. I guess Hikaru had a bit to much of a blank slate in him - he was the young boy in the audience watching and wanting to imagine that he was us..er that we were him...oh you get it...

Alto obviously functions on a similar level - but he does have a more well defined character than Hikaru - and only after 6 episodes!

Both Sheryl and Altoh are proud, as well. For both, at least part of that pride is probably based off of their isolation from any sort of family (Sheryl as an apparent orphan; Altoh's father won't acknowledge him) and a recognition that they are very good at what they do. This works somewhat to Altoh's advantage, since it means that he doesn't engage in the fan-worship of Sheryl that presumeably 99% of the males his age would. To him, Sheryl's human. And she admits in episode 5 that she likes that about him.

In contrast, Ranka has more of an adoration of both of them. They're her inspirations to work harder and better to achieve her dream. I suspect that she worships both of them just a bit too much, and as a result doesn't necessarily see them as the flawed people that they are.

[VFTF1]

OMG!!

I haven't watched episode 7 yet but I just realized there's a very scary homage to Macrss 7 in episode 6!!

It's an homage to Physica!! Wasn't Physica going on and on about the good luck charm from his wife before he got killed in battle???

Worse still - his wife was with another guy the whole time!!

In Alto's shoes - I'd be scared! Bad omen!

Although, naturally I'm being paranoid. The whole scene with Sheryl and Alto before Alto goes of to battle is very touching...

Still - he reminded me of poor Physica there...

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[Shun]

hmm, who is this physica? from which series?

[Nexx Stalker]

hmm, who is this physica? from which series?

Haven't you seen M7, brother?

He's a Diamond force pilot along with Kinryu (bald bad-ass leader) and Gamlin. He takes Dokker's place when the latter gets "spirited away".

[VFTF1]

Diamond Force is like the CF that gets character development - continuing the tradition of Kakikaze...

Speaking of which - one thing which kind of stinks in Macross Frontier is that other than people like Cathy Glass, we really haven't met anyone from NUNS - and we certainly don't know any of those pilots....

I hope we'll delve more into the "low morale" plot theme and meet some NUNS pilots.

After all - they DO keep flying; if things were so bad no one would join... or are they all drafted?

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[Gubaba]

OMG!!

I haven't watched episode 7 yet but I just realized there's a very scary homage to Macrss 7 in episode 6!!

It's an homage to Physica!! Wasn't Physica going on and on about the good luck charm from his wife before he got killed in battle???

Worse still - his wife was with another guy the whole time!!

In Alto's shoes - I'd be scared! Bad omen!

Although, naturally I'm being paranoid. The whole scene with Sheryl and Alto before Alto goes of to battle is very touching...

Still - he reminded me of poor Physica there...

VFTF1

I think you're remembering Gamlin getting the good luck charm from Mylene...

Physica built the music box for his kid.

[VFTF1]

Oooooo In that case Alto's gonna be a-ok

As long as he doesn't build a music box for any children! whew! Thanks

Funny how the mind works with regard to memories I guess it was just seeing Alto put that earing in his VF-25 reminded me suddenly of how Physica had the dagged music box in a similar place

Then again.. Gamlin got shot down and nearly killed! Heck - I would in fact posit that by all rights he should have been killed.. that was the one thing I didn't like in M7. I was shocked and saddened when Gamlin died.

Bringing him back the next episode did not make me happily say "oh thank goodness" but rather - Laame!

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[Gubaba]

Oooooo In that case Alto's gonna be a-ok

As long as he doesn't build a music box for any children! whew! Thanks

Funny how the mind works with regard to memories I guess it was just seeing Alto put that earing in his VF-25 reminded me suddenly of how Physica had the dagged music box in a similar place

Then again.. Gamlin got shot down and nearly killed! Heck - I would in fact posit that by all rights he should have been killed.. that was the one thing I didn't like in M7. I was shocked and saddened when Gamlin died.

Bringing him back the next episode did not make me happily say "oh thank goodness" but rather - Laame!

VFTF1

Yeah...I'm of two minds about that. On the one hand, I like Gamlin, and even that late in the game, his story arc (for want of a better term) was incomplete...he HAD to be the one to sing "Planet Dance" when Basara was in the coma. So killing him then wouldn't have made much sense, plot-wise.

On the other hand, the VF-17 clearly blew up with no time for him to eject...hell, the canopy was still on when it exploded! Everything about that scene screamed "DEATH OF A MAJOR CHARACTER!!" So to have him live seemed like a real cheat. I do think that SOMEONE important should've died in that attack (and in the final battle...even Docker made it out, and I came close to cheering when I thought he'd been killed).

[Final Vegeta]

On the other hand, the VF-17 clearly blew up with no time for him to eject...hell, the canopy was still on when it exploded! Everything about that scene screamed "DEATH OF A MAJOR CHARACTER!!" So to have him live seemed like a real cheat.

Imagawa like to cheat a lot too

FV

[JB0]

On the other hand, the VF-17 clearly blew up with no time for him to eject...hell, the canopy was still on when it exploded! Everything about that scene screamed "DEATH OF A MAJOR CHARACTER!!" So to have him live seemed like a real cheat.

I was somewhat amazed that the VF-17 doesn't have an auto-eject like the VF-11.

Of course, look at Basara. They actually title an episode "Basara Dies!" and then he... lives.

[Shun]

Haven't you seen M7, brother?

He's a Diamond force pilot along with Kinryu (bald bad-ass leader) and Gamlin. He takes Dokker's place when the latter gets "spirited away".

i see... thanks.

yeah, i did watch M7 but i didn't pay much attention to diamond force although i liked the vf-17 i didnt like the pilots

[Gubaba]

Of course, look at Basara. They actually title an episode "Basara Dies!" and then he... lives.

Yeah, that bugged me, too. I'm surprised they didn't have an episode called "Mylene Has a Baby!" and then it turns out that her period was a couple of days late.

Hell, even this episode that we're supposedly discussing is called "Bye-bye Sheryl," and she doesn't leave...

[VFTF1]

Heh heh That is amusing

Speaking of which - another homage....

Bye Bye Sheryl...

Bye Bye Mars

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[Macross007]

Shinsen subs out.

[Major Focker]

yep, just watched it. nice release.

it's the third ep6 i've seen now. i guess one of the benefits of rewatching episodes is that you catch more of the subtleties that you miss on first viewing.

i just noticed that when leon asked cathy for a "favor", cathy glanced at the desk clock which showed 15:44. not sure about the significance of showing that shot, but from previous episodes it was shown that leon was meticulous in delineating work time from personal time. in this scene though, leon is asking a favor well within work time, where he probably could have just ordered it as official business.

i wonder if this is meant to emphasize leon working on a personal agenda but exploiting official resources. i know there's already been a lot of talk about leon being a suspicious character, and it's pretty obvious he has an agenda of his own. but this scene is a good example showing just how subtle and devious leon is in his machiavellian ways. nice touch!

for all we know, this might even have a plot significance later on.