Battlestar Galactica Discussion III

[Skullsixx]

The Earth that they settle is not the Earth of the 13th Tribe. This is made pretty clear. Also, Galactica sent out a Raptor to the rendezvous point, which is what leads the fleet there. The Galactica was not capable of making another jump.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Tinderfitles]

Now that is one pissed off little ship.

[the_foul_fowl]

Now that is one pissed off little ship.

Battlestar Berzerk? Berzerk-class Battlestar?

Good finds btw. Now if only there's a homeworld-styled mod for BSG... actually, come to think of it, HW1's plot was similar wasn't it, about finding a new home... iirc...

[miles316]

Thanks Redwolf.

[kaiotheforsaken]

Battlestar Berzerk? Berzerk-class Battlestar?

Good finds btw. Now if only there's a homeworld-styled mod for BSG... actually, come to think of it, HW1's plot was similar wasn't it, about finding a new home... iirc...

Homeworld 2 mod

http://www.battlestarmod.com/

It looks like the link is broken to their HW mod, I'll see if the I still have all the files on my comp.

Edit: after a little poking around it seems you can still get the files here

Here's a screeny from a while back:

Edited April 1, 2009 by kaiotheforsaken

[Einherjar]

All this concept art reminds me of Gabriel Köerner from the Trekkies documentaries. I remember him doing some mock ups of the Vipers for this series and probably remained as part of the design crew until the end.

[RedWolf]

All this concept art reminds me of Gabriel Köerner from the Trekkies documentaries. I remember him doing some mock ups of the Vipers for this series and probably remained as part of the design crew until the end.

Yeah well the "Berzerk" (misspelled LOL) did appear in the Razor TV movie.

For now we'll have to wait for The Plan in the Cylon perspective.

Edited April 1, 2009 by RedWolf

[miles316]

Galactica

Length 4640 feet (1414m)

Width 1821 feet (555m)

Height 581 feet (177m)

Pegasus (Mercury Class)

Length 6070 feet (1850m)

Width 2444 feet (744.9m)

Height 1099 feet (334.9m)

Did a little more rummaging on the CG artist's porfollio and here is what the ship parked next to the Pegasus looks like.

Edited April 1, 2009 by miles316

[dreamweaver13]

Looking at the size of those basestars made me wonder... ok so we have around 30,000 human survivors in the fleet that chose to live on prehistoric earth. but what about the humanoid cylons on the rebel basestar? just how many were there that stayed on earth?

and speaking of the rebel basestar, couldn't the rebels have at least jumped to the original earth to pick up D'anna before giving the centurions their freedom? hehe. poor girl.

[RedWolf]

Considering the suicide rates on the fleet you want to bet she's still alive?

[dreamweaver13]

Considering the suicide rates on the fleet you want to bet she's still alive?

Oh come on now! what would even make you think that D'anna would even contemplate killing herself? what part of the series would make you even think that she's capable of doing such a thing? Why would D'anna.... oh... wait.....

um... nevermind.

Edited April 2, 2009 by dreamweaver13

[505thAirborne]

Since the Finale I've haven't been to this thread in a bit, Any time frame when BSG THE PLAN is to release? I don't think I am the only who is waiting to see it.

[azrael]

Since the Finale I've haven't been to this thread in a bit, Any time frame when BSG THE PLAN is to release? I don't think I am the only who is waiting to see it.

Sometime in Autumn.

[big F]

Not true. Earth 2.0 .... 150,000 years later:

XD

Love is optional.

All that says is 30,000 odd surviovors mixed with an unknown number of Neanderthal man and Cylons = several billion hybrids 150,000 years later.

Obviously the Cylons learnt to breed or interbread successfully. Probably due to not having to worry about Trapesing all over the place killing Colonials and Gods big Plan. They just got on with living life, most likely this was the missing element all along.

Anyways Thanks for all the excellent pictures RedWolf et al. this thread has been lacking in good pictures for a while.

[505thAirborne]

Sometime in Autumn.

Sounds goods!!!

[Duke Togo]

All that says is 30,000 odd surviovors mixed with an unknown number of Homo Sapiens Idaltu and Cylons = several billion hybrids 150,000 years later.

Fixed! Though, its possible they were simply Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Modern humans are not genetic decedents of Neanderthal, nor is there any evidence of cross-breeding.

[Ghost Train]

Fixed! Though, its possible they were simply Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Modern humans are not genetic decedents of Neanderthal, nor is there any evidence of cross-breeding.

The question is really still an open issue. There are a few groups working on sequencing Neanderthal DNA at the moment, which will shed more light on whether or not interbreeding is possible. I can believe that perhaps the more socially, and technologically advanced Homo Sapiens "refused" to cross-breed with Neaderthal upon their first encounter, but it does not mean they could not if they wanted to .

Evolution is messy, and you don't suddenly get two distinct groups that aren't sexually compatible over night - which is a good timeframe to describe the closeness of both subgroups, literally a few hundred thousand years apart, which is like nothing.

[big F]

Fixed! Though, its possible they were simply Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Modern humans are not genetic decedents of Neanderthal, nor is there any evidence of cross-breeding.

True but it is the common belief that the two groups may have interbred. Weather this led to an actual new strain of Humans or more likely they just worked out better than thier predecesors who died out in the evolutional race.

Although until actual fossil records are found either that or someone builds a time machine and takes a look for themself.

Any how it is great that the story is intervoven into our own history however loosely.

Look at the alternatives. A Galactica 80's version were the long lost 13th tribe all speak Colonial standard language which is conicidently exactly the same as English. A place where you cant get a motorcycle that transforms into a robot but you can get one that flies.

Well they could have writen it as the Colonials became a sort of ancient civilisation like the Lost City of Atlantis, or the Myans or Incas etc. Only ultimately to die out in some natural disaster or such

Edited April 3, 2009 by big F

[Ghost Train]

Well they could have writen it as the Colonials became a sort of ancient civilisation like the Lost City of Atlantis, or the Myans or Incas etc. Only ultimately to die out in some natural disaster or such

I'm very glad they didn't go this route. We've had enough insinuations through pseudo-scientific pop culture that non-Western civilizations could not achieve great things - and that therefore, legacies like the pyramids, the Mayans advanced knowledge of astronomy, and the Nazca lines are the work of advanced aliens. The "ancient-astronaut theories" is just a nice way of elevating the West above the rest of the world.

[dreamweaver13]

I'm very glad they didn't go this route. We've had enough insinuations through pseudo-scientific pop culture that non-Western civilizations could not achieve great things - and that therefore, legacies like the pyramids, the Mayans advanced knowledge of astronomy, and the Nazca lines are the work of advanced aliens. The "ancient-astronaut theories" is just a nice way of elevating the West above the rest of the world.

but at heart, isn't that what the ending of BSG was? sure, the fleet let go of their space-age technology, but they still presumably gave the local humans language, civilization, culture. maybe even fire. construction. tool-building skills. and most importantly, Baltar's unwavering desire to procreate. who knows how far that fictional (and fake) earth humans would have progressed if not for the intervention of the BSG fleet?

Edited April 4, 2009 by dreamweaver13

[Keith]

I'm very glad they didn't go this route. We've had enough insinuations through pseudo-scientific pop culture that non-Western civilizations could not achieve great things - and that therefore, legacies like the pyramids, the Mayans advanced knowledge of astronomy, and the Nazca lines are the work of advanced aliens. The "ancient-astronaut theories" is just a nice way of elevating the West above the rest of the world.

Besides, Nadia already perfectly fills that particular Nitch

[Ghost Train]

but at heart, isn't that what the ending of BSG was? sure, the fleet let go of their space-age technology, but they still presumably gave the local humans language, civilization, culture. maybe even fire. construction. tool-building skills. and most importantly, Baltar's unwavering desire to procreate. who knows how far that fictional (and fake) earth humans would have progressed if not for the intervention of the BSG fleet?

I liked BSG's ending particularly because they let go, as you said, of their fancy interstellar technology and decided to have a go at life with only the clothes on their back - which is different than say, if they went with President Lampkin's original plan to start building a "city" and retain their original colonial way of life, and said civilization turned out to be the mythical Atlantis, Lemuria, or what not .

I guess to summarize what I mean is that the colonial refugees did not set themselves up to be gods, teachers, or conquerors, they just wished to integrate themselves into their new world. I am aware of Lee's statements saying that language, and culture are things that can be taught to the natives, but when speaking to the old man he used it for the sake of argument not necessarily suggesting that it was what they were going to do (or that it happened that way)... or else English would have be the oldest language on Earth .

Also, as it's implied that the Earth in the final scene is indeed a representation of our own circa early 21st century, then said knowledge transfer was either not successful or did not take place. Humans in actuality, were pretty much nomads for 140,000+ years, it was only in the last 5,000 years or so when our technology and science lept forward. If the colonials transferred their way of life successfully then the 21st century would have been much much more advanced.

[RedWolf]

Here's an interesting thing about the Baseship.

The original modern Basestar render has 852 Raider launch slots. The reconned Basestar has 434 Raider launch slots.

While Baseships do have glass jaws they rely much on missile and fighter superiority.

The Galactica has at least 4 squadrons of 20 Vipers each. Around 80 vipers.

The Pegasus had 10 squadron of Vipers making it 200 Vipers.

[miles316]

Does the bezerk have a masive rail gun at the bow of the ship belowe those two guns at the til of the ship?

[miles316]

I liked BSG's ending particularly because they let go, as you said, of their fancy interstellar technology and decided to have a go at life with only the clothes on their back - which is different than say, if they went with President Lampkin's original plan to start building a "city" and retain their original colonial way of life, and said civilization turned out to be the mythical Atlantis, Lemuria, or what not .

Also, as it's implied that the Earth in the final scene is indeed a representation of our own circa early 21st century, then said knowledge transfer was either not successful or did not take place. Humans in actuality, were pretty much nomads for 140,000+ years, it was only in the last 5,000 years or so when our technology and science lept forward. If the colonials transferred their way of life successfully then the 21st century would have been much much more advanced.

But you are forgetting that few thousand years after landing on earth the last Ice age starts, and the only habitable spots on the earth was equatorial Africa and south America.

The ice age would have disrupted many of the colonial settlements reducing the chances of them to develop any kind of advanced infer structure.

Just because some of them had knowledge of advanced science (Baltar)doesn't mean they would have brought the earth in to the technological level of the 21st century with in a few hundred years, and With out the infer structure the knowledge of Tilium Reactors would be useless.

The only advanced scientific knowledge would be applicable would be medicine (surgery and pharmacology) even that would be limited do to the lack of equipment and would not last very long with out a teaching program to train more.

If you divide the thirty some thousand people in to twelve groups you would get like three thousand per group so unless they are able to create a viable settlement with in a few years each would be doomed to extinction because they are not accustomed to a hunter gatherer life style.

The local enviroment would not be able to provide for the three thousand people to servive on hunting, and fishing. They would need to establish farming and animal husbandry in order to servive longer than a few years.

[big F]

Just think how in only a 100 years how many skills have almost been forgotten in our society. things like the Blacksmith, the Thatcher, the list is quite extensive. Now some of these skill have been lost due to technology, but what would happen if you took it away. The core skills would be come paramount to survival, but if you didnt know them you'd have to learn all over with trial and error. That could take years or even a life time.

Superior knowledge and technology would only last a life time before the know how of it degraded enough to start becomming myth and magic, give it a hundred years or so and it would largely be forgotten. Our history has only really been documented for the last 2000-3000 years give or take, anbd then only by the winners.

[Ghost Train]

But you are forgetting that few thousand years after landing on earth the last Ice age starts, and the only habitable spots on the earth was equatorial Africa and south America.

The ice age would have disrupted many of the colonial settlements reducing the chances of them to develop any kind of advanced infer structure.

Just because some of them had knowledge of advanced science (Baltar)doesn't mean they would have brought the earth in to the technological level of the 21st century with in a few hundred years, and With out the infer structure the knowledge of Tilium Reactors would be useless.

The only advanced scientific knowledge would be applicable would be medicine (surgery and pharmacology) even that would be limited do to the lack of equipment and would not last very long with out a teaching program to train more.

If you divide the thirty some thousand people in to twelve groups you would get like three thousand per group so unless they are able to create a viable settlement with in a few years each would be doomed to extinction because they are not accustomed to a hunter gatherer life style.

The local enviroment would not be able to provide for the three thousand people to servive on hunting, and fishing. They would need to establish farming and animal husbandry in order to servive longer than a few years.

Uh... ok, I'm not exactly sure which part of my post you're replying to .

I'm basically agreeing with the premise of the show, which is that there was no technology and cultural transfer, and that the refugees pretty much integrated themselves into the rest of the human species, and also that "History Channel"-style ancient astronaut stories are just stories, and not grounded on fact.

[miles316]

Uh... ok, I'm not exactly sure which part of my post you're replying to .

I'm basically agreeing with the premise of the show, which is that there was no technology and cultural transfer, and that the refugees pretty much integrated themselves into the rest of the human species, and also that "History Channel"-style ancient astronaut stories are just stories, and not grounded on fact.

Sorry I should have left the reply off my post.

[miles316]

I wonder if Moore will allowe writer to write novels about the crews lives after they landed on Neo Earth.

Edited April 15, 2009 by miles316

[buffalobob77]

I know there was a screen shot of the armored Galatica from the web-episodes posted earlier but does anyone have or know where to find some better pictures of the Galatica in her prime?

[spiderman]

I thought Caprica was going to air on Sci-Fi before it goes on sale. I see it on the prerelease schedule for next week.

Any thoughts?

[Duke Togo]

I thought Caprica was going to air on Sci-Fi before it goes on sale. I see it on the prerelease schedule for next week.

Any thoughts?

You thought wrong. The pilot was always slated for release on DVD before the series aired.

[spiderman]

You thought wrong. The pilot was always slated for release on DVD before the series aired.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks for the info.

[Ghadrack]

It was either the Chicago tribune articles series or on the Sci Fi Boards where Moore was responding, but I believe I read that they were waiting to air it on television until shortly before the first season is prepared to air, because they didn't want to repeat the mistake of airing the pilot/movie months before the series and allowing people to forget / disregar the show because of the big break.

I'd suspect the early DVD release is just intended to cash in on the acclaim for BSG and the fact that the fanbase was left wanting more and will likley snatch it up

When is The Plan supposed to air?

[azrael]

When is The Plan supposed to air?

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=733826