the white drew carey Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I didn't want to say anything until after re-watching Daybreak 1 & 2, but wow. Just wow...
Ghost Train Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) We need someone to make a "Who fracked who" chart.... it would be quite complex, but Baltar would be at the node... he's fracked everything with 2 legs and female. Edited March 28, 2009 by Ghost Train
Duke Togo Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 Two more things I picked up from the last podcast: RDM again says (this time referencing the Opera House) that they had no idea what it meant or where they were going with it when they first put it in the show 2 season ago (or whenever it was), and that Head Baltar's line about "it" not liking to be called "god" is a pretty clear sign that whatever this Lord is, its not some spiritual, divine being. It still amazes me how much of the plot was really smoke and mirrors, they had no clue what half of it meant at the time they were writing it, with no clear path, yet they were able to make a great series out of it (even without paying alot of them off or clarifying them).
Skullsixx Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 It's great the way the Opera House turned out to be the Galactica and that Six and Baltar were actually saving Hera. The vision was well adapted to make a whole lotta of sense for the end. Another example of RDM and his outstanding writing staff.
big F Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) Yeah to think that they didnt really know where they were going with the plot and they still managed to make a great story. Some writers have a story all mapped out early on and still make a hash of it. This is credit were credit is due lets hope this writers combo can be put to good use producing more excellent work Edited March 28, 2009 by big F
505thAirborne Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 It's great the way the Opera House turned out to be the Galactica and that Six and Baltar were actually saving Hera. The vision was well adapted to make a whole lotta of sense for the end. Another example of RDM and his outstanding writing staff. I agree
Dobber Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) Tori wasn't exactly herself by killing Cally, Tyrol did let Boomer escape, Saul had a relationship with Six and even got her pregnant and even Anders was terrified of what would happen if Kara found out he was a Cylon. THAT is all different from who they were. What made Torri so repugnant (spelling?) to me wasn't even the Cally thing, though that is a part of it, but, it was just her general attitude After she found out who she was....especially after she went to the Cylons. She had no problem letting Deanna kill hostages during the stand off and then her whole the humans suck attitude and it's all their fault (which Tigh thankfully put her back in place over) after these people have been protecting her sorry ass for the past 4 1/2 years!! Yes the fives personalities changed somewhat, but, they still knew who the where and had most of their original personalities intact. Tyrol, was already a little imbalanced, remember him beating Cally at the end of Season 2, long before he was decided to be a cylon. I think the Chief, was understanbly messed up....look what happened to the poor guy. His love...Boomer.....is found out to be a Cylon after she attempts to kill Adama ( a man he greatly respects) after he put his ass on the line covering for her with the whole hatch being left open issue, and one of his deck gang takes the fall for him. Then he starts a relationship with Cally. Things go bad on New Caprica. Once they escape, things are strange in the fleet with the Us vs. them mentality of the settlers and the fleet. He's under stress of being a new father......then Wham!! he discovers he's a cylon. Everything he fealt about Boomer, and everything he did on New Caprica and so on is turned upside down. Next Cally "kills herself" not long after this new revelation. He's confused and angry so he lashes out at Cally to the old man...partly because he is pissed that she would do that, but also because of everything that happened with Boomer. So he just gives up. I loved when he just laughs when he and Anders are arrested for being cylons...sorta like he's saying "figures, what else could go wrong" Then, he finds out that his son isn't even his...one more strike against that vile, weak, little piss-ant Cally. Now Boomer returns, his first real love. He problably feels guilty over what happened to her....Cally abandoned him, he just can't let her die. He probably was thinking that "Boomer did have good intentions on NC it just didn't work out that way. She can't be all bad right? Besides look how we treated her what we did to her, while I'm a cylon and I've been welcomed back to the fleet." Then Wham!!!!! Stabbed in the back again! Then Finally when he finds out the Cally didn't kill herself and that it was Torri....yikes....imagine all that resentment he had for Cally....all that anger that was misplaced....again. Poor guy, to me he seems like the most realistic..."human" character on the show. Chris Edited March 29, 2009 by Dobber
Letigre Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 We need someone to make a "Who fracked who" chart.... it would be quite complex, but Baltar would be at the node... he's fracked everything with 2 legs and female. Like this?
Mog Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Like this? Was it ever confirmed that Seelix and Anders got it on? I always got the impression that there was some sexual tension between the two (at least on Seelix's part) but that nothing was ever really consumated. I wonder what the over/under was on Baltar frakking a native down on Earth.
Ghost Train Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Like this? lol damm... it's just as I envisioned it. And Baltar has high score w00t.
Duke Togo Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Finally got around to seeing Razor, picked it up at Best Buy for 10 bucks and change. The classic Cylon/First War stuff was great, but the rest of the story left me kinda flat.
Skullsixx Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) I don't remember Leoben actually frakkin' Starbuck. As for Tyrol.... now ya know why he took off to that cold island (Ireland/Scotland?) with no other people around. Edited March 29, 2009 by Skullsixx
EXO Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I don't remember Leoben actually frakkin' Starbuck. As for Tyrol.... now ya know why he took off to that cold island (Ireland/Scotland?) with no other people around. There can be only one!
Wes Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Like this? lol so any sexual disease Starbuck or Baltar had it spread throughout humanity.
Skullsixx Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 lol so any sexual disease Starbuck or Baltar had it spread throughout humanity. Ha ha! But it was Hera that was labeled as Eve.
dreamweaver13 Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Just watched 17 and 20 again. Dam what a good ending. SO they time warped back to Cro Magnon man and will "breed" as baltar said with early humans. I also see how Hera ends up being Mitochondrial eve. As she is a hybrid and scientists believe that mitochondria are actual foreign bodies to cells and cells actually swollowed up these mitochondria. So Mitochondria are contructs of cylons. Still trying to understand the scene with the lords of kobal on galactica or cylons and the opera house. Also dont understand why the cyclon colony didnt have resurrection technology. And I understand the earth they found was the real one just had a nuclear war and when they find "us" they decide to call that earth am i right? not exactly. there was no time warp involved. it was just a regular "jump". Everything that happened in BSG was happening 150,000 years ago from our Earth's perspective. think of it as a "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" thing. the cylon colony didn't have resurrection technology because the one and only resurrection hub was blown to bits in previous episodes, and only the Final Five know how to rebuild the thing. And yes, you're correct about earth. "Earth" was their term for the homworld of the 13th/cylon tribe. but since they found our planet, they decided to call it "earth" in honor of their long journey. The real earth that was nuked had nothing to do with our planet or our solar system.
dreamweaver13 Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I'm just wondering about the significance of Hera to the big picture, and her role as the mitochondrial eve. i'm just thinking that if Baltar was right, and that the BSG fleet could easiuly breed with the local "earthlings", then the mitochondrial eve could have been any female on the fleet - it didn't have to be Hera. So what i'm thinking is that Baltar could have been wrong. maybe it was only Hera's unique DNA structure that could have breeded with the local humans. Hence, it would have explained why she was so significant to the survival of the human/cylon civilization, and why she was the one true mitochondrial eve. just thinking aloud.
Keith Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I would imagine that it'd have more specifically to do with her being the bridge between humans & cylons. All conflicts before were between 2 split races, but say for some reason cylons pop back up in modern day Earth orbit, all human inhabitents would be related to them, leaving no "specific" need to whipe them out. Which brings up my question, not having seen more than the last 2 episodes, what exactly was the reason for the cylons & their biological evolution given? What distinguehsed them from "natural" humans. What did they start out as, AI machines that rebelled? What did they base t heir biological forms on, in theory once they became biological, wouldn't that seperate them from their mechanical ancestors? What were they actually seeking by trying to create & disect a hybrid, was it simply that they couldn't figure out how to make themselves naturally procreate?
mondamoto Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I came across a couple of other alternate ending Ron more and company debated on using . I came across them on trekmovie.com which they found on this site http://io9.com/5180872/the-battlestar-gala...e-you-didnt-see “There was a different ending that we had, it was all about Ellen aboard the Colony. She was sort of turned by Cavil, because she found out that Tigh had impregnated Caprica Six, and that deeply embittered her. And she sort of became dedicated to the idea of destroying Galactica and the fleet out of revenge. And [she and Cavil] got Hera, and then the final confrontation became very personalized between Tigh versus Ellen, and should they forgive.” They found the 2nd ending on scifiwire.com. http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/the-battlestar-ending-you.php "There was a point in the development process where we discussed the idea of the Galactica not being destroyed, but having somehow landed on the surface more or less intact, but unable to ever get into orbit again (the particulars here were never worked out, so don't ask how she made it down without being torn apart). We talked about them basically abandoning the ship and moving out into the world. "Cut to the present-day in Central America where there are these enormous mysterious mounds that archeologists have not been able to understand (it may have been South America, I can't recall the exact location, but these mounds really do exist). Someone is doing a new kind of survey of the mounds with some kind of ground-penetrating radar or something and lo and behold, we see the outlines of the Galactica still buried under the surface." I like them both and I think they would have worked with the existing one.
Mog Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I don't remember Leoben actually frakkin' Starbuck. As for Tyrol.... now ya know why he took off to that cold island (Ireland/Scotland?) with no other people around. So if ol' Tyrol crash-landed on a peninsula in the northeast portion of Asia (and found a whole cavalcade of Eights there), would he consider it a blessing or a curse? Regarding the alternate endings, I understand the whole "Hell hath no fury..." stuff. But I would have found it rather hypocritical of Ellen to get all bitchy about Tigh impregnating a Six. I mean how many people in the Fleet did Ellen have relations with? And even though Tigh knew he was a Cylon, he sure as hell didn't realize that Ellen was still alive. As for the crash landing bit, that would have been a little too hokey. What would they have done about the rest of the fugitive fleet? They still had Raptors, and we have seen them jump inside the atmosphere before. So, the idea that they would have been "forced" to settle on our Earth would have been unfounded. And what if there were still bad-guy Cylons around? It'd be kinda obvious where the humans winded up when you have a big-ass Battlestar chilling on the surface.
big F Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Ha ha! But it was Hera that was labeled as Eve. That just means she was the oldest known fossil of a Homo sapien found. There could be older just not found. May be they will find a fossilised older one one day. The whole story ties nicely into the theory ( largly due to fossil records) Homosapiens inter bread with Neanderthal man which lead to the strong traits of Neandarthal man being absorbed by the more inteligent Homosapiens. there is a lack of fossil records of Neanderthal man after a certain point, and it is all suddenly Homosapiens. Whats to say that the natives were not Neanderthals and the Colonials and Cylons were not the Homosapiens. The main reason the Cylons couldnt bread was due to the need of "love" a concept they couldnt understand, we only see that Athena and Caprica get it and they have offspring. Although as soon as Caprica finds she is not loved she looses the baby. She needs love to sustain the child. Afterall the only reason we generally procreate is due to "love" and our biological clocks Mechines dont have these, so they would have to "learn" it Technically speaking the Human race is now Homosapien Sapiens.
Uxi Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 The TOS theme of the Egyptian helmets would have made more sense with either ending.
Keith Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Hmm, lesson #1 for the Cylons: Love usually entails "not" wihping out entire species!
Skullsixx Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) not exactly. there was no time warp involved. it was just a regular "jump". Everything that happened in BSG was happening 150,000 years ago from our Earth's perspective. think of it as a "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" thing. the cylon colony didn't have resurrection technology because the one and only resurrection hub was blown to bits in previous episodes, and only the Final Five know how to rebuild the thing. And yes, you're correct about earth. "Earth" was their term for the homworld of the 13th/cylon tribe. but since they found our planet, they decided to call it "earth" in honor of their long journey. The real earth that was nuked had nothing to do with our planet or our solar system. I was always under the impression that they had gone back to the Earth that was nuked but had settled in Africa rather than the previously populated continents. If this Earth was different than the 13th tribe Earth then how did the rest of the fleet know how to jump there? Starbuck was on the Galactica and fed the coordinates according to the notes of the song. Hoshi and the fleet had gone ahead previously so how did they know the jump coordinates? Edited March 31, 2009 by Skullsixx
Einherjar Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 I thought Galactica sent out a Raptor that wasn't used in the battle to make contact with the fleet.
Skullsixx Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 I thought Galactica sent out a Raptor that wasn't used in the battle to make contact with the fleet. I'll have to watch it again, but I thought Hoshi said how thrilled he was to see the Galactica jump in?
spiderman Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 They did send a raptor to the rendezvous coordinates. The Earth they found and settled on was at the coordinates Kara punched in based on the number values she assigned to the notes of "all along the watch tower".
Duke Togo Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 The Earth that they settle is not the Earth of the 13th Tribe. This is made pretty clear. Also, Galactica sent out a Raptor to the rendezvous point, which is what leads the fleet there. The Galactica was not capable of making another jump.
RedWolf Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Its funny that the Colonials have three known classes of Battlestars and the Cylons have three known generations of Basestars. Galactica-type battlestars duking it out with the original Basestars. Look at how well armored the Galactica was in the old days. (At least one of them was thew Galactica according to the Razor Flashback) It would have beem cool to see a three on three fight involving all known classes, with Mk. 2 Vipers, Mk. 7 Vipers and armed Raptors vs original Raiders, biological Raiders and Heavy Raiders. Battlestar Galactica (The Bucket) Mecury Class Battlestar Pegasus (The Beast) Battlestar Valkyrie 1st Cylon War Era Basestars Guardian Basestar Modern Basestar
big F Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 They are truely inspired designs. Im sure its no coincidence that both sides have had 3 revisions. Also how both sides capital ships have Star in the name.
Ghost Train Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 The main reason the Cylons couldnt bread was due to the need of "love" a concept they couldnt understand, we only see that Athena and Caprica get it and they have offspring. Although as soon as Caprica finds she is not loved she looses the baby. She needs love to sustain the child. Afterall the only reason we generally procreate is due to "love" and our biological clocks Mechines dont have these, so they would have to "learn" it Not true. Earth 2.0 .... 150,000 years later: XD Love is optional.
RedWolf Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 They are truely inspired designs. Im sure its no coincidence that both sides have had 3 revisions. Also how both sides capital ships have Star in the name. While rummaging through Battlestar Wiki the Colonials and Cylons may have more. Escort Battlestar besides Pegasus. Zoic changed the look of the Basestar's raider hangars and core section. Whether one will chalk this as two variants of the modern Basestar its up to them.
miles316 Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Does any one know if the Pegasus is bigger, smaller, or the same size as the Galactica? I assumed that the Basestar shown in Razer was like the first cylon made basestar, and the ones used during the first war were ones built buy one of the colony's for their defense. Edited March 31, 2009 by miles316
miles316 Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Battlestar Galactica (The Bucket) She was so Pretty before the second war.
RedWolf Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Does any one know if the Pegasus is bigger, smaller, or the same size as the Galactica? I assumed that the Basestar shown in Razer was like the first cylon made basestar, and the ones used during the first war were ones built buy one of the colony's for their defense. Galactica Length 4640 feet (1414m) Width 1821 feet (555m) Height 581 feet (177m) Pegasus (Mercury Class) Length 6070 feet (1850m) Width 2444 feet (744.9m) Height 1099 feet (334.9m) Did a little more rummaging on the CG artist's porfollio and here is what the ship parked next to the Pegasus looks like.
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