Mark Nguyen Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Yeah, he said that in an interview somewhere, however I don't recall any references about tying up loose ends. However, if that is indeed his intention, then he will open just as many enigmas as he closes. He likes to do that.... Yes, but will he turn THIS anime series into another quasi-mystical, thinly veiled environmental diatribe about spirituality, monotheism (through protoculture), and general wierdness about the transcendance of the human condition? Most of his works in the last decade were about that. He KNOWS fans didn't like it. But WE know he's in charge and will do what he damn well pleases as long as it sells toys & DVDs. Dare we ask for what we want? Mark
Zinjo Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 That's why I listed it as the SDFM-link for Frontier. Frontier has yet to use the term "Meltran" (DYRL-specific) in any of the episodes so far. I wouldn't be so sure. I seem to remember the term being used at some point, but of course I'd have to rewatch every episode to be sure. Oh the pain of it...
Zinjo Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Yes, but will he turn THIS anime series into another quasi-mystical, thinly veiled environmental diatribe about spirituality, monotheism (through protoculture), and general wierdness about the transcendance of the human condition? Most of his works in the last decade were about that. He KNOWS fans didn't like it. But WE know he's in charge and will do what he damn well pleases as long as it sells toys & DVDs. Dare we ask for what we want? Mark Which fans? The Japanese loved Mac 7 and I suspect the biggest problem with Zero was that it took 3-4 months between episodes, so a lot of fans lost interest.
s001 Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 regarding the pizza hut MF wallpaper... They really need to figure out what the characters are supposed to look like. That looks like random anime characters cosplaying as sheryl, alto and ranka. They already look like random anime characters in the show man...
Mark Nguyen Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Which fans? The Japanese loved Mac 7 and I suspect the biggest problem with Zero was that it took 3-4 months between episodes, so a lot of fans lost interest. I'm not talking about M7 (which, technically was well over a decade ago). I refer to the more metaphysical works Kawamori has done, such as Arjuna, Aquarion, and (to a lesser degree) Escaflowne. Mark
Sergorn Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 I'm not talking about M7 (which, technically was well over a decade ago). I refer to the more metaphysical works Kawamori has done, such as Arjuna, Aquarion, and (to a lesser degree) Escaflowne. Escaflowne is the best anime ever made so Shôji can go and babble about mysticm and human condition as much as he wants as far as I'm concerned (and a side note Escaflowne is as old as Macross 7, and pretty much all his works had these kind of the thematics to different degrees, even the original Macross. Eck you could prettty much say that Escaflowne, Macross Plus and Macross 7 - were *all* about the same thing, just presented differently in a different context). I sure as hell want Kawamori to do Kawamori-stuff when he doe s a Macross series. Duh. -Sergorn
s001 Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 I have a new theory: The protoculture people are afraid about the human race and they're trying to 'protect' themselves by stopping the colonization fleets using the vajra. I mean the humans already defeated the AIFOS, the zentraedi, protodevlin... The Protoculture is like an analogy of the real life human race, they're just 'afraid of the unknown'
Master Dex Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Technically we didn't defeat AFOS, it just left to parts unknown and took Sara and Shin with it. I sure as hell want Kawamori to do Kawamori-stuff when he doe s a Macross series. Duh. What technically constitutes Kawamori-stuff?
Bill C. Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Wild theory: perhaps the Vajra are some sort of automatic defense system left in place by the Protofolks when they went wherever to do whatever. (See also: Diebuster.)
MisaForever Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 I think we should start a poll (NO NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!) to see who's theories about what's going to happen in the show will end up correct. So many people are saying "Well I bet this.... or that... " Winner gets a date with Alto-hime.
Sergorn Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) What technically constitutes Kawamori-stuff? A big importnace ond character developments and relationship - and particuliarily a big enphasis on love triangle/stories, very strong thematics about the strength of human spirit/soul/feelings and how they can succeeds against all odds (whether it's against fate, machines, an evil AI songstress, of whacky protodeviilins), a very present theme of "survival" (and not just abotu the heroes), usually a coming of age story, sometime a very "ecologist" message about nature (which I thought existed in hier earlier works as well even if not to the same degree of its most recent stuf)), and often semi-mystical mumbo-jumbo. Of and of course : Mecha porn And of course they're just something about the feel of Kawamori's work, the atmosphere they convey, and they way they're directed that you just *know* he's behind it. I could watch an episode of Aquarion and just *knows* it's from Shoji Kawamori simply by the ways it feels and the directing. Eck they're the way the mechas moves in Kawamori's work that just... doesn't feel like anything else (and indeed I thought it was sorely lacking in Macross II), the first time I saw the Guymelefs move in Escaflowne I thought of Macross ; same with the Aquarion. And of course there's the atmosphere - his works tend to feel profundely romantic (in the artistic meaning of the word) as opposed the more grounded science-base stuff you can get in many other Sci-Fi works. Hell much like Star Wars, I'd argue that for all its Sci-Fi universe and elements - Macross feels more like Fantasy than Science-Fiction. But to put it another, Shoji Kawamori just has a way to create universe, stories, and characters, well stories - which in spite of their flaws (because of course there are flaws) - just manage to touch your heart and your soul in a way that very few in a way that only those great (and very few) artists can. IMO he's one of the most talented people to work in the anime industries, right up there with Hayao Miyazaki. -Sergorn Edited May 13, 2008 by Sergorn
Master Dex Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) Hmm Bobby then? J/K Ok, that one was good, I got a laugh out of that. I tend to not make so many theories, but just let the show progress, but I'd be lying if I hadn't imagined different possibilities the show could take. However anything I imagined up had nothing to do with past series, personally I don't feel the need for this show to rely on the plot of another show. A big importnace ond character developments and relationship - and particuliarily a big enphasis on love triangle/stories, very strong thematics about the strength of human spirit/soul/feelings and how they can succeeds against all odds (whether it's against fate, machines, an evil AI songstress, of whacky protodeviilins), a very present theme of "survival" (and not just abotu the heroes), sometime a very "ecologist" message about nature (which I thought existed in hier earlier works as well even if not to the same degree of its most recent stuf)), and often semi-mystical mumbo-jumbo. Of and of course : Mecha porn laugh.gif And of course they're just something about the feel of Kawamori's work, the atmosphere they convey, and they way they're directed that you just *know* he's behind it. I could watch an episode of Aquarion and just *knows* it's from Shoji Kawamori simply by the ways it feels and the directing. Eck they're the way the mechas moves in Kawamori's work that just... doesn't feel like anything else (and indeed I thought it was sorely lacking in Macross II), the first time I saw the Guymelefs move in Escaflowne I thought of Macross ; same with the Aquarion. And of course there's the atmosphere - his works tend to feel profundely romantic (in the artistic meaning of the word) as opposed the more grounded science-base stuff you can get in many other Sci-Fi works. Hell much like Star Wars, I'd argue that for all its Sci-Fi universe and elements - Macross feels more like Fantasy than Science-Fiction. But to put it another, Shoji Kawamori just has a way to create universe, stories, and characters, well stories - which in spite of their flaws (because of course there are flaws) - just manage to touch your heart and your soul in a way that very few in a way that only those great (and very few) artists can. IMO he's one of the most talented people to work in the anime industries, right up there with Hayao Miyazaki. -Sergorn So everything that is the best of Macross then, I was mainly just liking the way you put it, 'kawamori-stuff', I like that. However I do agree with you, when I first saw Macross II I found myself wondering why this wasn't interesting me as much as the other stuff. That was before I really knew much about Kawamori and his involvement, now I do and I can safely say I am a fan of his works now. Edited May 14, 2008 by Master Dex
wolfx Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Actually the term Zentran was used in DYRL to distinguish between the Male (Zentran) and Female (Meltran) genders of the Zentreadi race. It has been used that way ever since, for the most part. Yeah....even ni Macross 7, they referred to Chlore's fleet as a "Meltran" Fleet. That's why I listed it as the SDFM-link for Frontier. Frontier has yet to use the term "Meltran" (DYRL-specific) in any of the episodes so far. I think of it this way. Zentraedi is the race, just like humanity/mankind. The Zentraedi are made of Zentraedi(Plural for Zentran) and Meltrandi (Plural for Meltran). Humanity is made of men and women, but as a race, we are also known as "Mankind". See where i'm getting at? The Meltrans are still Zentraedi....if only because they use the male designation to encompass the whole race just like humans.
Morpheus Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 From Macross F blog I can see that the series have quite a fanbase in Japan. Last week gathering for May'N live performance was attended by more than 1000 people. I wanted to go there at that time, too bad work tied me up. なんじゃぁこりゃぁ！！(；ﾟ Дﾟ)（by優作） スタッフが野鳥の会よろしく数えたところ（ざっくりですが）、なんと1000人ですよってよ！ …つか1000人て！！！
vanpang Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 From the Macross F wikipedia article... Episode #10 - "Legend of Zero" - "Rezendo Obu Zero" (レジェンド・オブ・ゼロ) June 05, 2008 Summary: Ranka Lee is contracted to act in a minor role during a movie about the legend of Shin Kudo, while Sheryl Nome is the main female protagonist of the film. Looks like Ranka would be cast as "Mao Nome" ? since she is so short !
taksraven Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Looks like Ranka would be cast as "Mao Nome" ? since she is so short ! And jailbait! Taksraven
vanpang Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 I believe those are the other islands in the Frontier fleet. They should've shown the fleet from its starboard or port sides instead of slightly head-on. It does kind of look like the death star at this angle I think the only thing they really got correct was the logo and the VF-25. Oh thanks for clarifying that, the artist must be a Star Wars fan, the poster reminds me of Ep 4 "A New Hope" Star Wars Poster, the main characters, Luke Han & Leia in front , the x-wings zipping pass the Death Star, and at the bottom, a few tie fighters !
Westlo Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 The Diamond Crevesse/Don't Be Late cd single by May'n finished @ #3 this week selling 42,714 copies which is better than Trianglers opening week of 31,250. Speaking of Triangler it finished @ #6 for the second week in a row, it did 12,550 in its second week and 12886 in the third bringing it to a grand total of 56,686. Triangler is now the second highest selling cd single by Maaya since it just went past RahXephon's Hemisphere (her best OP imo) which sold 54,460 copies. It should eventually surpass "Kiseki no Umi" (Record of Lodoss Wars TV) which is her best selling single with 66,340 units sold. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-...n-weekly-top-10 I'm happy to see the Diamond Crevesse/Don't Be Late cd single selling so well since I really like both songs... as for Traingler I've felt Maaya and Kanno has done much better work in the past.. prime examples being the 2 songs I mention in the above paragraph as well as the Escaflowne opening.
wolfx Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Nice news. Good to know that the music side of the marketing is working as well. Are PVs of the songs out yet by any chance?
MisaForever Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Yes, I would love to get my hands on that OST. I'm a soundtrack fan and while I love the vocal tracks, I'm really itching to hear the instrumentals.
UN Spacy Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 GREAT news about the OP/ED singles. Does anyone have a link to purchase the OST?
treatment Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 GREAT news about the OP/ED singles. Does anyone have a link to purchase the OST? http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VTCL-60060 http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF...d_bxgy_m_text_b
azrael Posted May 14, 2008 Author Posted May 14, 2008 Are PVs of the songs out yet by any chance? PV for "Triangler" is floating on Youtube. Not sure if there is a PV for the other releases.
Hikuro Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 If I'm reading CDJapan right, they're stating that the first print of the OST on their site is sold out?
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Looks like Ranka would be cast as "Mao Nome" ? since she is so short ! Ranka will be cast as an extra I believe... Sheryl probably will be Sara Nome. Another petite actress is going to act as Mao Nome, but there will be an accident with some "hydra creature"(?) during production (Filming will be underwater... perhaps will occur during the filming of the scene when Mao swims & finds the AFOS/Birdman Head). The actress will be injured & Ranka will be given her part... (perhaps Sheryl will help her on that?). Brera Sterne is going to appear & somehow will stop the creature from attacking... saving Ranka in the process too.
Final Vegeta Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 A big importnace ond character developments and relationship - and particuliarily a big enphasis on love triangle/stories, I'll say that one of Kawamori's strong point is civilian life. In most of other mecha anime the main character thinks and talks only about war, fight or his robot, to the point that civilian life scenes looks almost out of place with him. The rest of the cast also does the same to various extents, to the point that characters who don't have a mecha are either commanders, scientists who built robots or at worst cannon fodder. Kawamori always manage to place some importance on characters who don't fight. very strong thematics about the strength of human spirit/soul/feelings and how they can succeeds against all odds (whether it's against fate, machines, an evil AI songstress, of whacky protodeviilins), a very present theme of "survival" (and not just abotu the heroes), usually a coming of age story, I wouldn't say these are specifical Kawamori's staples, though. You could say Kawamori is optimist although not excessively PC. Rather, Kawamori is good for how he uses themes. Aside from love stories and battles, which are his two ever-present themes, there is also an equally important third theme (songs, fate, ecology, gattai) which is intertwined to the other two in a way that is both cheesy and well-written. sometime a very "ecologist" message about nature (which I thought existed in hier earlier works as well even if not to the same degree of its most recent stuf)), and often semi-mystical mumbo-jumbo. Of and of course : Mecha porn He really changed after his trip in India. SDF Macross was only reminiscent of atomic bombs. DYRL was more about otaku enclosure than ecologism. And of course they're just something about the feel of Kawamori's work, the atmosphere they convey, and they way they're directed that you just *know* he's behind it. I could watch an episode of Aquarion and just *knows* it's from Shoji Kawamori simply by the ways it feels and the directing. Besides, the best episodes of Aquarion were directed by Kawamori. Eck they're the way the mechas moves in Kawamori's work that just... doesn't feel like anything else (and indeed I thought it was sorely lacking in Macross II), the first time I saw the Guymelefs move in Escaflowne I thought of Macross ; same with the Aquarion. Kawamori emphasizes movements of limbs, technique and skill in a fight more than anyone else. Even Aquarion had impressive swordfights. Another thing is that his mecha are much more limited (although not powerless) than in other anime, especially ones belonging to main characters. And of course there's the atmosphere - his works tend to feel profundely romantic (in the artistic meaning of the word) as opposed the more grounded science-base stuff you can get in many other Sci-Fi works. Hell much like Star Wars, I'd argue that for all its Sci-Fi universe and elements - Macross feels more like Fantasy than Science-Fiction. Sci-fi in Kawamori is very centered around man, more than being sci-fi for sci-fi's sake. But to put it another, Shoji Kawamori just has a way to create universe, stories, and characters, well stories - which in spite of their flaws (because of course there are flaws) - just manage to touch your heart and your soul in a way that very few in a way that only those great (and very few) artists can. IMO he's one of the most talented people to work in the anime industries, right up there with Hayao Miyazaki. I agree. FV
wolfx Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 PV for "Triangler" is floating on Youtube. Not sure if there is a PV for the other releases. Probably removed cause i can't find it.
vanpang Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VTCL-60060 http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF...d_bxgy_m_text_b Damn, I just ordered the single from CD Japan, I should ordered from Amazon.jp they have free shipping if over Y2000
vanpang Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) Ranka will be cast as an extra I believe... Sheryl probably will be Sara Nome. Another petite actress is going to act as Mao Nome, but there will be an accident with some "hydra creature"(?) during production (Filming will be underwater... perhaps will occur during the filming of the scene when Mao swims & finds the AFOS/Birdman Head). The actress will be injured & Ranka will be given her part... (perhaps Sheryl will help her on that?). Brera Sterne is going to appear & somehow will stop the creature from attacking... saving Ranka in the process too. Hey thanks, where on earth did you get such info ? Thats amazing info ! Did you get it from the Japanese forums ? Edited May 15, 2008 by vanpang
mike_s_6 Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 If I'm reading CDJapan right, they're stating that the first print of the OST on their site is sold out? *faints* Oh wait, it's just the First Press, it's not really sold out. I mean, it's not even out yet, it can't be sold out. They just have to manufacture more. But the First Press is sold out... no more bonus what-nots for new orders *cries* Why didn't I order yesterday?!?!
Graham Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 Heh, lucky I placed my order with Amazon Japan for OST-1 several weeks ago. Graham
vanpang Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 *faints* Oh wait, it's just the First Press, it's not really sold out. I mean, it's not even out yet, it can't be sold out. They just have to manufacture more. But the First Press is sold out... no more bonus what-nots for new orders *cries* Why didn't I order yesterday?!?! same here, I just ordered today and I don't think I would get that poster. Especially now that "Diamond Crevasse" is such a great hit om Japan, so the First Press is bound to sell out !
mike_s_6 Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 Damn, I just ordered the single from CD Japan, I should ordered from Amazon.jp they have free shipping if over Y2000 It's only free for shipping within Japan. (Are you in Japan right now? That'd be great )
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