electric indigo Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 What the official videos don't reveal:
the white drew carey Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 What the official videos don't reveal: Well, that didn't take long.
Nied Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 This got posted on Youtube just a little bit ago. This is from the actual first flight. Wow. If nothing else it's a real sharp looking plane. I'm seeing all sorts of things that are going to cause it's radar signature to balloon beyond what you would think at first glance (there's still all kinds of small blade antennas and the IRST aperture isn't going to do them any favors). If I had to guess it would probably have a RCS somewhere between a Super Hornet and a JSF, and really that's not half bad. Props to the Russians for getting this thing airborne, I was convinced the most we'd ever see of the PAK-FA was some concept art and a promise that it'll fly "real soon" for the next 15 years.
Knight26 Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Wow. If nothing else it's a real sharp looking plane. I'm seeing all sorts of things that are going to cause it's radar signature to balloon beyond what you would think at first glance (there's still all kinds of small blade antennas and the IRST aperture isn't going to do them any favors). If I had to guess it would probably have a RCS somewhere between a Super Hornet and a JSF, and really that's not half bad. Props to the Russians for getting this thing airborne, I was convinced the most we'd ever see of the PAK-FA was some concept art and a promise that it'll fly "real soon" for the next 15 years. Remember you are also looking at the first flight prototype, so a lot of those pitots and arials will probably be made much less obtrusive in the production model. If I had to hazard a guess I would say it's RCS will likely be close to if not slightly better then the F-35s. My biggest question at this point, what are those blisters under the wing roots, sensors, vortex controllers, small weapons bays, what?
Shadow Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Basically agree what others have said about the looks. An Su-27 melded with a YF-23. It's sorta reminds me of the X-02 from Ace Combat. Wonder what its weapons storage capabilities will be compared to the F-22.
knoted Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Mehh... The F22 and YF23 still look the coolest to me.
electric indigo Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Here's a nice view of the silhouette from the top. See you in the next Ace Combat.
505thAirborne Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 The YF-23 is still my favorite design even though it was never mass produced, But I like this T-50 fighter design! I just saw the video on Yahoo news and thought, "You knew this was coming, a Russian F-22 looking Aircraft".
HoveringCheesecake Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Haha. All joking aside, I really like the look of the plane.
hobbes221 Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) If you look at around 2:00-2:04 in this vid it looks to me as if the vertical stabs (?) are of the all-moving type. (the front edge looks to moving just a bit.) I really haven't been following this too close but what do you guys think, all-moving or not? Edited January 30, 2010 by hobbes221
Uxi Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) The YF-23 is still my favorite design even though it was never mass produced, Agreed. I think this thing will be about as "real" as the Soviet space shuttle was, though. But nowhere close to even the T-90 levels. Edited January 30, 2010 by Uxi
striderhiryu Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I can already start seeing the Valkyrie within that airframe. Hope this inspires the Hoary Froating Head to make the VF-3X (hope he doesn't wait for the 30th anniversary just to call it VF-30). Still, I wonder how long will it take for a scale model of this baby to get released?
anime52k8 Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Basically agree what others have said about the looks. An Su-27 melded with a YF-23. It's sorta reminds me of the X-02 from Ace Combat. Wonder what its weapons storage capabilities will be compared to the F-22. you know, just looking at it I'm really wondering how it's going to be armed. it's so flat I just can't see it having much of an internal payload (definitely not the dozen or so missiles a flanker would carry).
electric indigo Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Here's a nice hires one: http://lenta.ru/news/2010/01/29/pakfa/pak.jpg About the armament: * The PAK FA can carry either eight next-generation air-to-air R-77 missiles, or two large controllable anti-ship bombs weighing 1,500 kg each. * The new jet can also carry two long-range missiles developed by the Novator Bureau which can hit targets within a 400 kilometer range.
Bri Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Agreed. I think this thing will be about as "real" as the Soviet space shuttle was, though. But nowhere close to even the T-90 levels. You could be right, but the Russians will have to replace their ageing Mig29s and Su-27s someday. We may not see many in the Russian airforce but who knows how many will be built for India.
Bowen Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I wonder how they shielded the engines from radar. From the look of things the entire intake and engine bay assembly is one straight tunnel...
Shadow Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) 115 or more of these aircraft for the Russian air force. Hmm, don't see that happening anytime soon, though I'm concerned more with the export sales of this aircraft if it really does kick off into mass production in the coming years. Might convince Congress into re-looking at putting the F-22 onto the market for allies. Edited January 30, 2010 by Shadow
Nied Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Remember you are also looking at the first flight prototype, so a lot of those pitots and arials will probably be made much less obtrusive in the production model. If I had to hazard a guess I would say it's RCS will likely be close to if not slightly better then the F-35s. My biggest question at this point, what are those blisters under the wing roots, sensors, vortex controllers, small weapons bays, what? I don't know, I think that IRST housing alone is going to give them some issues. Look at the EOTS window on the JSF or it's predecessor on the NATF concepts, a Su-27 style fishbowl will show up huge compared to those designs. That and the exposed engine faces (I don't buy the claims that slapping some RAM on the engine faces is some great fix) give me the impression that while Sukhoi has put a lot of thought into having a stealthy aircraft, it's wasn't the priority for them. Also from what I'm reading those blisters are for short range AAMs, the analogue of the Raptor's side bays.
Beltane70 Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but I think this plane looks cooler than the F-22 and the YF-23.!
striderhiryu Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but I think this plane looks cooler than the F-22 and the YF-23.! Right on dude, besides the T-50 reminds e a lot the 1-60 VF-11B (minus canards), it even has small tailfins.
electric indigo Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 The small vertical stabilizers give it a very elegant silhouette
505thAirborne Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 When put next to each other, The SU T-50 & YF-23 look really cool!
Uxi Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 The small vertical stabilizers give it a very elegant silhouette Having them on the edges canted out is very reminiscent of YF-23 (and thence to Macross YF-21/VF-22).
buddhafabio Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 looks like it has center line fuselage weapons bays.
David Hingtgen Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 Like the YF-23 had, one in front of the other... (or rather, what a production F-23A would have had--they would have stretched the forward fuselage slightly to make room for a Sidewinder bay right ahead of the AMRAAM bay)
Knight26 Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 There are also many who think that those blisters under the wing roots might be for short range missiles, I'll have to find my sketch on how I think they would work.
altermodes Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Here's a nice view of the silhouette from the top. See you in the next Ace Combat. I think it is already in ace combat, as in a way "it" kind of looks like the X02-Wyvern at some angles. anyway it looks awesome and i have to wonder, if they are going to try and put the maneuverability of the SU-37 in to this design? Edited January 31, 2010 by altermodes
Lindem Herz Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 I think I'm in love with the Black Widowski
Ghost Train Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) Lol, if this were China's prototype and not Russian, we would have had 3 pages of: "NOOOOO ASTRO PLAN GTFO! WTF PLAGIARISM.... FAKE LV HANDBAG!!1!!!" Edited February 1, 2010 by Ghost Train
Graham Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 That is one sexy looking plane. Much better looking that the F-22 and F-35 IMO and about equal (if not slightly better looking) than the YF-23. Let's hope the Russians get it into mass production in serious numbers quickly (unlikely I know), so that the US will have to restart the F-22 production line. Graham
Vifam7 Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) The general planform looks a bit like the F-22. What makes it looks nicer than the F-22 (IMO) is the smaller tail fins which are very widely spaced apart. Edited February 1, 2010 by Vifam7
Graham Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 The general planform looks a bit like the F-22. What makes it looks nicer than the F-22 (IMO) is the smaller tail fins which are very widely spaced apart. Plus the F-22 looks pretty chubby when viewed from the side, especially the front part. This new Russian plane looks much sleeker IMO. Graham
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