Macross Fleet Movements

[Zinjo]

I don't recall seeing a shipyard in Frontier, but the Megaroad-01 was built (atleast partially) on the moon.

Openning of the Deculture edition before the colony graphics went up.

Now then again, we don't see all of it, so there is the possiblity that the shipyard is "on top" or somehow attached to the factory as well... So my comment about visual retcon is probably premature...

Edited April 23, 2008 by Zinjo

[Duke Togo]

Openning of the Deculture edition before the colony graphics went up.

I dunno, looks more like a space station to me. It doesn't seem to have any structures that would indicate it as a shipyard. It actually looks rather fragile.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Duke Togo

[Zinjo]

I dunno, looks more like a space station to me. It doesn't seem to have any structures that would indicate it as a shipyard. It actually looks rather fragile.

I believe there are ships under construction in it, however I would have to review the frames to be definitively sure one way or the other...

Edit: Nope you're right, it definitely looks like a mooring dock, yet we are not shown the bottom of it. Hard to tell if it's on a tower or free floating...

Edited April 23, 2008 by Zinjo

[Beltane70]

Did they actually mention the size of the factory satellite? In all my years of watching Macross, I don't recall them ever saying that the factory satellite was larger than the moon. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't.

[Morpheus]

Did they actually mention the size of the factory satellite? In all my years of watching Macross, I don't recall them ever saying that the factory satellite was larger than the moon. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't.

Probably the same size as Bodolza fortress. Which reminds me, did the UN Spacy ever built another space fortress like that?

[Mr March]

The Factory Satellite is over twice the size of the Fulbtzs-Berrentzs Class Fleet Flagship. The FB is 1,400 kilometers tall; the Factory Satellite is 3,000 kilometers tall and is roughly twice as wide as it is tall. The moon is 3,474 kilometers wide by comparison. The Factory Satellite was set near Earth at a Lagrange point and was so large it was still visible to the naked eye from the surface of the Earth (though the Lagrange point is much farther from Earth and thus made the satellite appear noticeably smaller than the moon, which orbits much closer).

Edited April 24, 2008 by Mr March

[Beltane70]

Ah, I never did see the specs of the factory satellite despite owning several Macross books. I wouldn't be surprised if I overlooked them, however.

[Kelsain]

The Factory Satellite is over twice the size of the Fulbtzs-Berrentzs Class Fleet Flagship. The FB is 1,400 kilometers tall; the Factory Satellite is 3,000 kilometers tall and is roughly twice as wide as it is tall. The moon is 3,474 kilometers wide by comparison. The Factory Satellite was set near Earth at a Lagrange point and was so large it was still visible to the naked eye from the surface of the Earth (though the Lagrange point is much farther from Earth and thus made the satellite appear noticeably smaller than the moon, which orbits much closer).

Therefore, based on the size of Earth's horizon, it's likely that the structure seen in the prologue is just a space station of some sort. Stations of many configurations were seen in M+, which were then blown up for cover. Also, when you look at the SIS defense grid from M+, there's probably a WHOLE LOT of big stuff in Earth orbit.

[Radd]

What I always wondered is where did they get the resources to build all this? I imagine there's a lot of heavy duty mining in the solar system to get all the materials necessary for the factory to spit out fleet after fleet.

Of course, there is nothing stating that every fleet is made up of entirely brand new ships. I imagine once a colony ship settles down on a planet, much, if not all, of the accompanying escort fleet returns to Eden, Earth, or wherever they're needed for the next colony mission. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some of the City ships wind up going on multiple colony fleets, once some sort of housing and infrastructure is set up on a planet.

[Duke Togo]

What I always wondered is where did they get the resources to build all this? I imagine there's a lot of heavy duty mining in the solar system to get all the materials necessary for the factory to spit out fleet after fleet.

Recycling! Trillions of tons of wrecked space craft in and about earth orbit.

[Radd]

Recycling! Trillions of tons of wrecked space craft in and about earth orbit.

There is certainly that, too! I'd actually be incredibly surprised if the factory satellite didn't have the facilities to break stuff like that down.

[Mr March]

There's enough resources just within the Sol system alone to build anything mankind can conceive. Once the problem of power and transportation has been solved (which certainly have been since the introduction of OverTechnology) the entire wealth of resources in the solar system is at the UNG's disposal.

[RichterX]

From January having the Macross being heavily damaged and the city destroyed, they rebuild the city and the Macross and finished construction of the Megaroad 1 by September. I am guessing that after the attack on Macross city the repairs of the Factory Satellite became a top priority.

Add: The Zentraedi cloning technology allowed for programming of the clones and or genetic memory? Do we know if the clones created to repopulate the Earth were already grown up humans? After all Zentraedi knew nothing about children

Edited April 25, 2008 by RichterX

[Radd]

There's enough resources just within the Sol system alone to build anything mankind can conceive. Once the problem of power and transportation has been solved (which certainly have been since the introduction of OverTechnology) the entire wealth of resources in the solar system is at the UNG's disposal.

Oh, I certainly wasn't arguing that they couldn't find the resources, even in the Sol System alone. I am more curious about the specifics. I think it would be neat if they revealed a bit of that.

[Mr March]

Super Dimension Fortress Mining? Mining Plus? MINING FRONTIER!

Hell, they made a pretty damn good anime series out of collecting space garbage. Why not space mining?

[Radd]

I don't even mean a full series, just mentioning it, or showing a glimpse of a mining facility over some gas giant, or in an asteroid belt, as a scene in Frontier or some other future Macross story. Though, actually, I was thinking, Dynamite showed that there are criminal elements with their own ships and whatnot, a Macross series featuring space pirates could be greate.

Of course, I might just be thinking that because I started watching the original Captain Herlock series again.

[Mr March]

Yeah, I understand what you mean. It's just the thought of mining tickled a funny bone and then got me thinking about Planetes

I actually really like the idea of space pirates. We have plenty of pirate problems today in our oceans. It makes sense that space travel will also be plagued by these bandits. Macross Dynamite 7 would have been so much better if the whole story was just a space pirate adventure. Just the UN Spacy (or NUNS or SMS) fighting a band of space pirates. It'd be a great story.

[MilSpex]

But...but...it's FIFTY YEARS LATER! You'd think the Macross Consortium would've come up with something better by now.

Irrelevant. The .50 cal M2 Browning heavy machine gun is still used in combat by the US some 70 years after it becoming standard issue.

Edited April 27, 2008 by MilSpex

[azrael]

I actually really like the idea of space pirates. We have plenty of pirate problems today in our oceans.

We also have plenty of poachers as well in this day and age...

[Gubaba]

Irrelevant. The .50 cal M2 Browning heavy machine gun is still used in combat by the US some 70 years after it becoming standard issue.

You can stop beating the horse...it died a page or two back.

[Zinjo]

I actually really like the idea of space pirates. We have plenty of pirate problems today in our oceans.

We also have plenty of poachers as well in this day and age...

Wasn't that already done in Dynamite 7?

[ComicKaze]

How are these fleets moving anyway? They just seem to be crusing at sub-light speed in space. That won't get them anywhere in a million years!

Shouldn't they be in constant fold?

[ComicKaze]

Super Dimension Fortress Mining? Mining Plus? MINING FRONTIER!

Hell, they made a pretty damn good anime series out of collecting space garbage. Why not space mining?

[Mr March]

How are these fleets moving anyway? They just seem to be crusing at sub-light speed in space. That won't get them anywhere in a million years!

Shouldn't they be in constant fold?

Radd and I answered that in the other thread. He's a link

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&a...st&p=588072

[Mr March]

Hahahaha. Red Dwarf indeed. Perhaps even an accented pilot. Macross Scouse!

[Radd]

Radd and I answered that in the other thread. He's a link

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&a...st&p=588072

I was wondering why I had this odd sense of deja-vu.

[Morpheus]

Ok, after watching the colonization chart again, several things pop in my mind.

1. It is well known that Frontier is launched from Earth and Galaxy is from Eden, however we are not certain when they are launched (is it Frontier first or Galaxy).
2. Some fan are quessing that the change from UNS to NUNS occurs after a near civil war depicted in VFX-2 game, so this may also change the govermental/politics on each Super Immigration Ships. AFAIK, in Macross 7, the political figure in the fleet is Max (Fleet Commander) and Miriya (Major of City 7), while in Frontier we have a Presidency. So this mean the NUNS goverment is probably consist of several independent Super Immigration Fleet.
3. This also supported that Macross Galaxy is consist of entirely different class of ships and also different policy.
4. There's a chance that both fleet (Frontier and Galaxy) still have several old VF-11s or VF-19s in reserve (but will probably not going to be animated)
5. So far there is no contact between Frontier Goverment with NUNS headquaters in Earth regarding Vajra attack, they act on their own.

[taksraven]

Irrelevant. The .50 cal M2 Browning heavy machine gun is still used in combat by the US some 70 years after it becoming standard issue.

Look at the B-52 bomber. The US Air Force plans to have those machines in service until at least 2040. That means that they are planning on using them for the better part of 90 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofo...ure_of_the_B-52

Taksraven

Edited May 14, 2008 by taksraven

[Kronnang Dunn]

Ok, after watching the colonization chart again, several things pop in my mind.

1. It is well known that Frontier is launched from Earth and Galaxy is from Eden, however we are not certain when they are launched (is it Frontier first or Galaxy).
2. Some fan are quessing that the change from UNS to NUNS occurs after a near civil war depicted in VFX-2 game, so this may also change the govermental/politics on each Super Immigration Ships. AFAIK, in Macross 7, the political figure in the fleet is Max (Fleet Commander) and Miriya (Major of City 7), while in Frontier we have a Presidency. So this mean the NUNS goverment is probably consist of several independent Super Immigration Fleet.
3. This also supported that Macross Galaxy is consist of entirely different class of ships and also different policy.
4. There's a chance that both fleet (Frontier and Galaxy) still have several old VF-11s or VF-19s in reserve (but will probably not going to be animated)
5. So far there is no contact between Frontier Goverment with NUNS headquaters in Earth regarding Vajra attack, they act on their own.

AFAIK, President Howard Glass is not only the president of the Macross F Colony, but of the whole NUN!!!! Guess that's why the Macross F Fleet is sooo big & well equipped...

Edited May 15, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn

[vanpang]

Mining outposts was briefly referred by a UN officer who was suggesting to Isamu Dyson that he should be transferred there, see Macross Plus Episode 1 So there are plenty of mining posts.

Also it seems that YF-19 only require 1 fold jump from Eden to Earth as depicted in Macross Plus! Which suggest that Eden is not that far from Earth

[Duke Togo]

AFAIK, President Howard Glass is not only the president of the Macross F Colony, but of the whole NUN!!!! Guess that's why the Macross F Fleet is sooo big & well equipped...

Woah, where did you read this?

[Mark Nguyen]

That's not really likely. Glass is the local president, analogous to Mayor Miria but with more "Presidential" power. Unlike Miria, Glass seems to be a "Commander in Chief" like the US President, with at least the colony's NUNS answering to him. In Macross 7, anything remotely military fell to Max, excluding colony defense (which was sorely lacking in City 7). In Frontier, Glass declares an emergency and suddenly both NUNS and SMS are jumping at his call for a rescue mission. In Macross 7, Max would have been in charge of the rescue, and would have told Miria to mind her own damn business.

Mark

[Phil K]

Well, while job searching and doing random side projects, I marathoned Macross 7 in the background, and picked up some interesting facts that I forgot.

The first New Macross fleet, Macross 1, was launched in 2030, and was the 28th long range colonization fleet. Macross 7 launched in 2038. Ep 4 of Frontier seems to indicate that Frontier(Macross 25) was launched 12 years prior to the series. This would mean between 2038 and 2047, 18 New Macross fleets were launched between Earth and Eden combined.

I guess what I'm getting to is that to account for this large jump in production, the first of the Eden built New Macross fleets probably start rolling off the line sometime after 7 was launched.

[Mark Nguyen]

But the graphic on the Miss Macross Frontier contest implies that it was the 20th contest (Cathy Glass apparently won the contest 12 years ago). So, a launch date of 2039, no?

Mark

[Gubaba]

But the graphic on the Miss Macross Frontier contest implies that it was the 20th contest (Cathy Glass apparently won the contest 12 years ago). So, a launch date of 2039, no?

Mark

No, it was the twelfth Miss Macross contest (she won the 8th, I believe). So we're still (probably) looking at a 2046/7 launch date.

Edited May 15, 2008 by Gubaba