Just saw Macross Zero for the first time.

[mriboy]

It was awesome, loved all the battles and the animation was great. The subs didn't make sense at times, but I got what was being said most of the time. Now I am off to watch DYRL will be first time for that also.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

You didn't think the ending was a bit rushed?

[Keith]

I enjoyed the ending, but then these days, any Kawamori ending that has more closure then Arjuna is a good one

[Macross007]

You didn't think the ending was a bit rushed?

Hopefully, Macross Frontier is going to correct that.

[Macross007]

It was awesome, loved all the battles and the animation was great. The subs didn't make sense at times, but I got what was being said most of the time. Now I am off to watch DYRL will be first time for that also.

And what about the story ? Did you envoy the story ?

[DJ Loe Kee]

And what about the story ? Did you envoy the story ?

i'm goin' to guess that he liked the story.

and this is why... my only complaints with the macross sequels is that the stories are not "macross" to me (i saw sdf macross first despite ppl suggestions to watch mzero first. i don't count watchin' rt:macross as havin' seen sdf macross). but in terms of anime, they are still good stories (even m7 has it's good episodes every now and then).

so, i'll find out soon if my guess is right or not.

and for the record, the endin' didn't seem rushed to me, it just didn't "feel" like macross (plus the fact that roy looked different). but in terms of anime, it wasn't an anime that i watched and said, this suxs (like ninja scroll the tv series) and proceeded to NOT save it to dvd-r (and i was plannin' on buyin' the ninja scroll tv series retail dvd set).

[ruskiiVFaussie]

lol the ninja scroll tv series was ok. The ninja ressurection ova's... that was patheitic. What was it? some lame attempt to equal Overfiend in grossness or something... I spent good money on those VHS >_<

[mriboy]

The ending was a little diffirent, but the story wasn't bad to me. This story was 10 times better the Macross plus ll the movie <-- (could never get into it)it just wasnt realy pure inline to the Macross original to me with all the birdman stuff. It seemed more like a PS game tittle that I can't remember the name of it now the way Birdman looked. It was a little wierd at first seeing Roy looking like that, then I got use to it and he had the same old attitude so I thought it was all good.

[miriya]

It was awesome, loved all the battles and the animation was great. The subs didn't make sense at times, but I got what was being said most of the time. Now I am off to watch DYRL will be first time for that also.

The subtitles did not make since because the only commercially available version of Macross Zero on DVD was translated from Japanese to Chinese and then from Chinese into English. The characters names even change and it is just absolutely confusing. The best way to see it if you care about the story and dialog is to watch the fan subs. The ANBU and AonE fansubs are fantastic and you can torrent them from animesuki usually. You will not regret it!

[misterryno]

I enjoyed the movie as a whole as well.

[sqidd]

The subtitles did not make since because the only commercially available version of Macross Zero on DVD was translated from Japanese to Chinese and then from Chinese into English. The characters names even change and it is just absolutely confusing. The best way to see it if you care about the story and dialog is to watch the fan subs. The ANBU and AonE fansubs are fantastic and you can torrent them from animesuki usually. You will not regret it!

I agree 100% I have the Anbu version and it's a lot easier to understand than the commercially available versions which I have also watched.

[miriya]

I enjoyed the movie as a whole as well.

Yeah, me too. I love Macross Zero. It is a great OVA. One of my favorites in the Macross universe. I love the design, the mecha, the characters, the story, everything. Just fantastic.

1/1 low vis lurker, DYRL is absolutely fabulous too! That is the classic! I love it so much I just cant stop watching it. I get so excited when people say they are going to watch it for the first time. I can think of a good analogy but there are underage people watching this site so I had better not! You have a dirty mind, everyone! I should be ashamed of you!

[Heron]

Hi, new to forums not to Macross tho'...

That said, I love the look of Macross 0 and I thought the story was okay. I didn't bother me as much as Basara and the Protodevlin.

Any which way, I thought the story had a WWII feel to it and I loved the music.

[miriya]

Hi, new to forums not to Macross tho'...

That said, I love the look of Macross 0 and I thought the story was okay. I didn't bother me as much as Basara and the Protodevlin.

Any which way, I thought the story had a WWII feel to it and I loved the music.

Welcome to the forums Heron!

[Macross007]

i'm goin' to guess that he liked the story.

I know a lot of people who just liked Macross Zero for the animation and Focker. They did not care about the story.

[miriya]

I know a lot of people who just liked Macross Zero for the animation and Focker. They did not care about the story.

Oh yeah, well I know a lot of people who did not like the story of Macross Plus! So there! How does that make you feel?! /ImmatureRebuttal>

Just kidding!

[Heron]

Oh yeah, well I know a lot of people who did not like the story of Macross Plus! So there! How does that make you feel?! /ImmatureRebuttal>

Just kidding!

Thanks for the welcome Miriya.

I rather enjoyed Roy getting slammed! The Macross 0 Mechs were sic in look. I see a lot of similarity between them and the new VF-25 of Macross F.

[miriya]

Thanks for the welcome Miriya.

I rather enjoyed Roy getting slammed! The Macross 0 Mechs were sic in look. I see a lot of similarity between them and the new VF-25 of Macross F.

Yeah, for sure they are sick, huh? For me, the VF-0 mechs and the VF-25 mechs are on the top 4 mechs for me, actually the top four are really the top one, I cant decide!

Edited January 6, 2008 by miriya

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

The floating rocks and holy floating head had the most powerful weapons though.

It's only a matter of time before humans get to have access to super robots and macross II won't seem so ridiculous anymore. heh

The giant bug thing in macross f is probably the floating head's mother protecting its eggs/children explaining why the military was expecting some bad stuff to happen. They must have brought a few blood dscendants of the mayan islanders with them in hopes of getting them to comunicate and control one of them for study again.

The bugs even pooed all over the VF in macross 25 as if to say "you aren't even worth my time!" They have to be some melding of organic and mecha technology which wouldn't surprise me since the zentradi had people's brains controlling a ship by thought and tentacled hands in DYRL. Imagine coming back into the ship for repairs with tentacled poo all over your VF. Pretty humiliating.

When they get to the centre of the galaxy they will probably find lots of naked women controlling floating heads with thier minds and ordering them to kill all the power hungry races trying to get control of their weapons for study. I bet the mysteriously vanished fold drives from SDF:macross are there too.

Also destroids will be useless and possibly only used after a post-apoc scenario (just like in SDF:Macross) when the humans become like the PC and go through an age of lost technology (holy floating heads destroy all human colonies). Maybe it will be like Turn A gundam and humans have branches of newtypes who can understand the machines better and their sensitive nature is what allows them to intuitively sense danger so they become like jedi pilots who can't die? This will then allow big west to reboot the whole franchise again and pretend there was no such thing as a VF-1 which looks older and less modern than the vf-0.

Edited January 6, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[mriboy]

So at the end of DYRL was Max upsized to a giant? It looked that way when he was about to climb into that Mech next to Miriya <--- dont now what they are called just recently started watching grew up on robotech. I realy like Macross Minmay vs robotech Minmay who I thought was a little spoiled brat.

[DJ Loe Kee]

lol the ninja scroll tv series was ok. The ninja ressurection ova's... that was patheitic. What was it? some lame attempt to equal Overfiend in grossness or something... I spent good money on those VHS >_<

ninja ressurrection is not a sequel to ninja scroll. the company that released ninja scroll in the u.s. decided to "label" it as the sequel to ninja scroll just to get sales. jubei in ninja scroll is BASED on the real life jubei yagyu. but the jubei in ninja resurrection is jubei yagyu himself in the flesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagy%C5%AB_J%...Bbei_Mitsuyoshi

i didn't like resurrection either.

[deadghost]

It was awesome, loved all the battles and the animation was great. The subs didn't make sense at times, but I got what was being said most of the time. Now I am off to watch DYRL will be first time for that also.

Glad you liked it, I enjoyed just as much as macross plus, I still say fokker look great....he still looks like the same sempai , You should like DYRL, but I have seen that movie since I was 4 0r 5 so I am a little tired of it, but its a legendary anime that I still respect.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Whenever some young anime nerd refuses to watch old anime because of the belief that the age of the anime means it has to be poor quality, mention DYRL.

So many times I see "that's pretty good quality animation ....for anime back then" as if to say people had lower standards of acceptance a long time ago and skills were crappier. (and that lovers of classic anime are just nostalgiac with rose tinted glasses)

Ah if only a movie could be done in the old school 2d animation style again (everything is handdrawn) like DYRL.

Edited January 7, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[deadghost]

Whenever some young anime nerd refuses to watch old anime because of the belief that the age of the anime means it has to be poor quality, mention DYRL.

So many times I see "that's pretty good quality animation ....for anime back then" as if to say people had lower standards of acceptance a long time ago and skills were crappier. (and that lovers of classic anime are just nostalgiac with rose tinted glasses)

Ah if only a movie could be done in the old school 2d animation style again (everything is handdrawn) like DYRL.

hey I did not say I did not appreciate it, or it had poor quality, all I am saying is that I have seen it more than a 150 hundred times, heck it was the first time I ever saw a naked girl, my first idol was my sempai Roy fokker, without DYRL I would be a scary and different person with no soul in my life. I like no I love the movie it is one of the OG animes. Now with macross plus, macross zero, and macross F I try to limit myself to how many times I watch it, to keep my......whats the word....attention -would be close to that word. Same can be said for a song, you dont listen to every single sec of your life or else you will get bored, better yet the same could be said for a girl, your not going to spend all your time with her, maybe for the first couple of months, but then your going to want to have some time apart so you can appreciate her. Same with DYRL

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Yeah but I think you'd be happier if the show was 2d like in the old days when they didn't have to worry about melding the cg objects with the 2d stuff.

I liked those old detail infested parts in the original SDF:macross which although had little animation frames, showed the guts of the robots themselves and reminded you these things had stuff inside them for realism reasons. I want smooth animation with lots of details, and no reason to use cost saving cg effects just for business reasons. (saving $)

You know how in the appleseed manga you can actually see so much vivid details on the machines themselves that it makes you believe they are really there? But in the cg movie it seems simplified and stuff? I wish there was a way to get all the detail without hit on smooth animation. This way you can rewatch an anime several times and pick up new things you didn't see on the first few times on a rewatching of a scene. The animefriend episodes in SDF:macross are why new anime watchers are frightened to watch old anime because they think old anime has to move choppy, and use limited animation. People should want good quality consistently for shows they are fans of. (just as people scrutinise poor writing, or bad mecha design, or music)

Another example is say when you look at the Gundam in Stardust memory, you can see its guts and how things are working internally. I want all that in these new shows. More mech porn and detail.

Edited January 7, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Exsedol]

Macross Zero was cool for 3 things:

#1: Fokker

#2: Pre-invasion war

#3: Kick ass pre-invasion mechs

The story was lame which unfortunetly is becoming a trend

[Macross007]

Macross Zero was cool for 3 things:

#1: Fokker

#2: Pre-invasion war

#3: Kick ass pre-invasion mechs

The story was lame which unfortunetly is becoming a trend

See guys.

[mechaninac]

I have no problem with the story line per se, specially up to Ep. 4: while not outstanding, it is well paced and with interesting enough (I don't even have a problem with the mysticism and flying rocks). It's the substantial fast forward to Ep. 5 and the rushed ending that make M0, for me, less than a stellar OVA. IMO, M0 would have greatly benefited from one or more episodes to fill in the time gap between 4 and 5 and to give the ending more time to unravel.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

The americans can accept telekineses powers in superhero shows like the x-men and starwars (in the form of force powers from jedi and sith) just not in the robot show. I think most people on this board are "realism" fanboys so that is why macross 7 and zero gets bashed all the time.

Mutant spider men with spider sense, and super powers is fine due to radioactive exposure, but hell if they will accept a bunch of monsters from space with greater, more-ancient, intelligences and supernatural mind powers than earth people. It just seems too weird for them. I'm not so hung up on the floaty rocks any more than super powers in comic books, alien ghosts in the final fantasy movie, or atlantean myths from another age (this is your stock standard japanese RPG backstory) but my beef is just how the ending does not want to explain much. What happened to the anus-fingering Mao, what happened to shin's injured friend with the broken limb? Did sara and shin die? Or was it just an imagined event? What about the anti-un? Just because two ace pilots are dead, that doesn't mean they are defeated does it? And what about the burnt forest? Shouldn't the villagers get some compensation or does the evil UN who wants to experiment on people for military research without thinking about what the islanders want, just going to keep those PC descendants locked in a prison for fear the anti-un use them as a weapon against them? Just seemed like they stopped in the middle abruptly leaving you hanging. There was so much potential to explain stuff, maybe link it to how basara has special powers through his music to tie it all together, but it never happened.

Edited January 7, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[mriboy]

Shin flew off to join Sara to wherever is what I was thinking.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Ah but how? People saw him crash into the water and wouldn't that mean he died? Then suddenly he rises out and magically the fighter is lifted weightless into the sky? Was he baptised from his sins and clean enough to go to heaven where the stars are, unlike us filthy humans, or is it a joke ending? People prefer the scientific logical explanations that confirm one way or the other rather than magic ones. This way you can say for sure "he is physically alive" still rather than assume it was a ghost and just symbolic of joining his lover in heaven so she wouldn't be lonely.

Mao? Did she end up protecting the village in Sara's abscence or did they put a mcdonald's fast food restaurant there? I thought shin was supposed to do that which is why sara wanted him to stay behind? Priestesses must be pretty pissed? Did they become civilised and no longer use magic? What about their religion? Did the islanders who witnessed this event become stronger believers now? Or just say: "stuff this I'm moving to the city because I like trains. Magic is inferior! Technology FTW"?

Explanations > abrupt ending. I think the mystery is what turned people off because they can't really say for sure what the hell happened because it is cryptic.

Edited January 8, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[eugimon]

The americans can accept telekineses powers in superhero shows like the x-men and starwars (in the form of force powers from jedi and sith) just not in the robot show. I think most people on this board are "realism" fanboys so that is why macross 7 and zero gets bashed all the time.

Mutant spider men with spider sense, and super powers is fine due to radioactive exposure, but hell if they will accept a bunch of monsters from space with greater, more-ancient, intelligences and supernatural mind powers than earth people. It just seems too weird for them. I'm not so hung up on the floaty rocks any more than super powers in comic books, alien ghosts in the final fantasy movie, or atlantean myths from another age (this is your stock standard japanese RPG backstory) but my beef is just how the ending does not want to explain much. What happened to the anus-fingering Mao, what happened to shin's injured friend with the broken limb? Did sara and shin die? Or was it just an imagined event? What about the anti-un? Just because two ace pilots are dead, that doesn't mean they are defeated does it? And what about the burnt forest? Shouldn't the villagers get some compensation or does the evil UN who wants to experiment on people for military research without thinking about what the islanders want, just going to keep those PC descendants locked in a prison for fear the anti-un use them as a weapon against them? Just seemed like they stopped in the middle abruptly leaving you hanging. There was so much potential to explain stuff, maybe link it to how basara has special powers through his music to tie it all together, but it never happened.

It's not about weird or "realism" it's that SDF:M and DYRL established certain rules for the Macross Universe and then the sequels subsequently introduced a whole new element that wasn't even hinted at in the original shows. Minmei's song had a very explicit reason for being effective and suddenly it became the precursor to some sort of psychic energy attack.

It would be like if we suddenly found out that Jedi's *really* got their powers from a blood infection or something.... damn it.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Ah but didn't lucas added on the "worms in your body" idea later on in the prequel trilogy for the origin of those psychic powers which explains why jedi's appear to have such good reflexes? Whereas in the Original Trilogy it was more about training your mind like a martial artist, and focusing. That to me = change. People with higher worm count are going to have unfair advantages to people who train hard with low worm count which is why the royal bloodline of noble knights is so important. Darth vader loses some worms when he turns cyborg after loss of limbs so he can't fight as well.

I don't see too much difference. Adding the "Worms in your body makes you special" idea later on in star wars = adding the "Anima Spiritua makes you special" idea in macross 7. For me it's how it was presented. They wanted monsters but the monsters appeared too non-threatening so it spoiled the mood and seriousness of the show. They took a more "ghost busters" approach to it. Ghosts themselves can be really scary when seen in a horror movie, so you can't blame them, but that the movie was set as a comedy. Contrast it to say "final fantasy spirits within" where the ghosts are threatening and dangerous killers, and you can see my point: the presentation is more at fault. You could proabably remake M7 to be more appealing to the original fans of macross, had they just taken a serious approach. The ghosts that possessed people in macross 7 just didn't appear scary is all.

Edited January 8, 2008 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[eugimon]

Well, i think Macross 7 was an attempt by the creators to return the understated premise behind SDF:M, in that it was meant as a parody of the type of shows of the time. Macross 7 clearly pokes fun at some of the bigger shows of the 90's but I think the old school fans really ignored that aspect of the show and embraced it more for the "real mecha" aspect of it.

I think Macross Zero was an attempt to take the elements that old school fans reacted strongly against and try to retcon it so that it fit in more with the mood and tone established by SDFM and DYRL and M:F is just continuing that.

[Exsedol]

Ah but didn't lucas added on the "worms in your body" idea later on in the prequel trilogy for the origin of those psychic powers which explains why jedi's appear to have such good reflexes?

No. He had written the entire story before he made any of the movies. Magic has no place in Macross.

In the original Macross days we had talking transforming robots and flying lions that joined to create a giant robot. We chose Macross because it was realistic and serious.

Edited January 8, 2008 by Exsedol