briscojr84 Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 No the Haruna was a ship in the macross games. It was a missile boat or something like that. but it did have Stealth technology. No the Haruna wasn't in any of the games, you're probably thinking of the untamed/whatever else they called it.
Mark Nguyen Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Wasn't Haruna the CLASS of ships that was used in M3? The Algencius or whatever it was that Max & Miria were assigned to was a Haruna-class ship. Mark
Final Vegeta Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 He also did the SV-51 in lego and the VF-17. Probably others as well, but those are the ones I've seen. Graham There was a Fire Valkyrie on the desk in the same scene where he showed the VF-17. ("Macross kaisoku asshin". I think I found it on macrosshare.blogspot.com) FV
Alastar Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Wasn't Haruna the CLASS of ships that was used in M3? The Algencius or whatever it was that Max & Miria were assigned to was a Haruna-class ship. Mark Yep i guess thats where i saw that at. Would be nice to see it get CGI also in Macross F.
briscojr84 Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Wasn't Haruna the CLASS of ships that was used in M3? The Algencius or whatever it was that Max & Miria were assigned to was a Haruna-class ship. Mark I've never seen it stated anywhere but it may be a sub-class of the Haruna, similar to the Uraga and Saratoga II being very similar.
Scream Man Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 This may be a very stupid question, but Im going to ask it anyway. Part question, part threory. We never see the VF-171 transform, at least as far as Ep5. Also, 171 is a different number to 17. Also the variablre fighter, which one assmes is more expensive, was designed to fight giants. the zentradi are all but defeated now, and we know that the Frontier also has Q-Raus on board. Is it possible the 171 is a non transforming variant of the 17? Which is why we never see it transform?>
taksraven Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Ok, time for some technical expertise (Mr March or anybody else with some idea.) Here are the ships, can we have them identified please. (The ones that can be identified that is.) Taksraven
azrael Posted May 9, 2008 Author Posted May 9, 2008 Is it possible the 171 is a non transforming variant of the 17? Which is why we never see it transform?> No. http://macrossf.com/mechanic/mecha04.html
Sorata Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Their is CG pics of it in magazines (see Macross F Art thread for one) in its other forms and it has transformed in the manga.
Shun Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) Ok, time for some technical expertise (Mr March or anybody else with some idea.) Here are the ships, can we have them identified please. (The ones that can be identified that is.) Taksraven The orangy ones - looks like the one that de-fold near the 2 vf-171, and the pilot said "M-Galaxy's Deneb class Kaitos" That huge big red one is probably M-Galaxy (wild guess) Edited May 9, 2008 by Shun
Morpheus Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) Ok, time for some technical expertise (Mr March or anybody else with some idea.) Here are the ships, can we have them identified please. (The ones that can be identified that is.) Taksraven The twin hull ships is similiar to the Human Alliance warship from Heroic Age. I quess those ships are inspired by Zentraedi design. Maybe the Galaxy Fleet is consist of an entirely new lines of ships since their home port is Eden. Macross type ships and it escort ships are probably unique to Earth shipyards (aka Factory satellite). Deculture, these new ships/mecha are driving me nuts, I need more info about it. (F5 on the following site: Macross F official site, macross compendium, Mr.March homepage) (:^o^) Edited May 9, 2008 by Morpheus
azrael Posted May 9, 2008 Author Posted May 9, 2008 The twin hull ships is similiar to the Human Alliance warship from Heroic Age. I quess those ships are inspired by Zentraedi design. Maybe the Galaxy Fleet is consist of an entirely new lines of ships since their home port is Eden. Macross type ships and it escort ships are probably unique to Earth shipyards (aka Factory satellite). Unfortunately, it's somewhat hard to tell from the wreckage....
Revhard Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 I am hoping with all these post about tech that once the series get closer to 26. We will see people post RPG stats for like Palladium or maybe on a fan site.
Mark Nguyen Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Regarding the lack of transformation in the VF-171, it's nothing new to Macross. In Macross 7, despite the VF-11 and VF-17 being present in abundance, we don't see the 17 transform until episode 5, and the VF-11 after that. The idea is to give props to your "star" mecha first, give 'em screen time to impress the audience, and THEN add in the secondary fodder. Heck, even in the original Macross, no one transforms their VF-1s until Roy and Hikaru have done so, despite everyone being in combat for some time. On a separate note, I've checked the higher-def CG flythrough in episode one and the Stealth Frigates are definitely labelled as "Northampton Class". Dunno where the other designation came from for the Macross 7 examples, but these are apparently upgraded versions of those. The flythrough also clearly labels the ARMD-type ships as Guantanamo-class aircraft carriers, with the prefix "CVR". There is furthermore a flowchart-style graphic that seems to describe how the ships are arranged in the Macross Frontier grouping of modules. Battle 25 came first, and was linked to two more text blocks: one for Macross Quarter (and we know what that means now) and another for Macross Frontier. The graphic extends beyond that but there's nothing legible. Mark
Zinjo Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 I am liking the Macross .25, and not... The design is clearly functional, but it lacks the grace that Miyataki put into his designs... I guess I'll have to see more of it. Quite possibly it looks much better in Attacker mode, the opposite to the Battle 7... Battle 7 looked sweet as a carrier, but in attacker mode, particularly the "hands" looked awful!
Mr March Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 On a separate note, I've checked the higher-def CG flythrough in episode one and the Stealth Frigates are definitely labelled as "Northampton Class". Dunno where the other designation came from for the Macross 7 examples, but these are apparently upgraded versions of those. The flythrough also clearly labels the ARMD-type ships as Guantanamo-class aircraft carriers, with the prefix "CVR". There is furthermore a flowchart-style graphic that seems to describe how the ships are arranged in the Macross Frontier grouping of modules. Battle 25 came first, and was linked to two more text blocks: one for Macross Quarter (and we know what that means now) and another for Macross Frontier. The graphic extends beyond that but there's nothing legible. Mark WHOA! This is a major discovery. Are the class names in english? Do you have a time index? If this is correct, I'll have to rename the Bolognese Stealth Frigate to Northampton Class Stealth Frigate.
azrael Posted May 9, 2008 Author Posted May 9, 2008 WHOA! This is a major discovery. Are the class names in english? Do you have a time index? If this is correct, I'll have to rename the Bolognese Stealth Frigate to Northampton Class Stealth Frigate. Now that I look at the Compendium entry, It says "Bolognese Stealth Frigate " and doesn't mention "Class". That may be an error on our part importing the stuff. I'll have to look back at the books.
Mark Nguyen Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) I thought I mentioned it in December... Ah well. It starts at about 11:00 of the Deculture edition, and you'll need a version with a resolution of at least 1280 to see it. They have tons of ship names in there too. Amongst those I'm able to make out on a quick pass: Northampton-class Stealth Frigate FFM-805 Glendale FFM-796 Century FFM-860 Amagi FFM-810 Eden Guantanamo-class Aircraft Carrier CVR-699 Belleau Wood CVR-XXX Clark 2 CVR-663 Kaga CVR-670 Rakuyou (repeated as an Uraga; can't see the prefix code) Uraga (?) class Aircraft Carrier CVS-707 Velagulf CVS-570 Rakuyou CVS-720 Fahrion CVS-671 Vandeglift Plenty more in there... Who knows what others are repeated, but it's awesome to see how much detail they put into a 20-second CG sequence! Regarding the class names, I was looking at the Macross 7 Animation Materials and the pages for the ships denote the artwork as depicting CV-404 Uraga and ARMD-368 Maizuru, but it does not state that those are the class vessels. In fact, both ships are clearly marked in episodes of Macross 7, with Uraga being destroyed (or at least severely damaged) in Episode 16, and Maizuru shown as being attached to the Sunny Flower agricultural ship. Mark Edited May 9, 2008 by Mark Nguyen
azrael Posted May 9, 2008 Author Posted May 9, 2008 Guantánamo has the same issue. Macross 7 Animation Materials only covers up to a certain point in the animation so it may have been incomplete when it was sent to the publisher.
Mr March Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) I see. Well, I can correct Bolognese with "Northampton". I guess this is a rare case of the old RPG website getting it right for once The Guantanamo I may have to leave as a tentative class name, perhaps adding a footnote for completion sake. It has to be named something in order to properly label it in the profile and cross-referencing in other profiles. Anyway, thank you very much Mark Nguyen. I'm sorry I missed your post back in December. I was on vacation at the time and the boards were very busy with Macross Frontier and all, so that's likely why I missed it. Or maybe I just plain forgot. Also, thanks azrael for the compendium clarification. Now, off to work... Edited May 9, 2008 by Mr March
twich Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Okay, can we get a list of the mecha that are appearing, or are rumored to appear? I heard something about a VF-27? What is that? I hear mention of all these scans of pictures, but I am not finding them....maybe I am scanning through the pages too quickly. But if someone can clear this up for me, that would be great! Twich
Mr March Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Here are most of the scans that we are referring to: http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=26019 As for the VF-27, that was a piece of trivia supplied by kresphy. I don't think I've seen an official picture attached to it as yet, but fan speculation is that it might be the "mystery valkyrie" seen in the opening sequence for the show: http://www.new-un-spacy.com/miscellaneous/mf-2valkyries.jpg Lastly, the current fan theory is the purple fella shown in the pre-production show is possibly the "mystery fighter" or VF-27 (or both, if they are the same thing). Here's some pictures to help you: http://www.new-un-spacy.com/miscellaneous/...ible-vf27-1.jpg http://www.new-un-spacy.com/miscellaneous/...ible-vf27-2.jpg http://www.new-un-spacy.com/miscellaneous/...ible-vf27-3.jpg Hope that covers it
Zinjo Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) Doh, Marchingdownthekeyboard was faster than me... Edited May 9, 2008 by Zinjo
Duke Togo Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 As for the VF-27, that was a piece of trivia supplied by kresphy. Actually, it shows up in that printed article Azrael posted earlier.
Mr March Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Well, there it is. Understandably, it can be hard to keep up
Mark Nguyen Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 Quad Hmm... This time the Quedlunn seems much more in-scale with Klein Klan's, err, proportions. It's much closer to how we saw Miria in her suit, wih the shoulders of the suit matching her shoulders. The first time we saw it, KK was much smaller than the cavity she was sitting in, to the point shere she was in fact SITTING. No such thing here. Mark
VF5SS Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 I think they're just trying to rectify the mistake in episode 4. Klan Klan wasn't particularly well drawn in that episode when we first see her, so maybe the animator had no idea how to scale her either.
Mr March Posted May 9, 2008 Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) Perhaps the Queadluun-Rea is supposed to be smaller, but those proportions look way out of scale to me. The Queadluun-Rau is supposed to be roughly twice as tall as the pilot (not including the antennae). In that shot, the Q-Rea looks roughly the same size as a Valkyrie and Klan would fill out the entire suit from almost head to foot. That's definitely not right, at least in the way the Q-Rau was shown in SDF Macross. Have we just found our first AnimeFriend/STAR PRO-like animation gaffa? Edited May 9, 2008 by Mr March
grss1982 Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 ^^ I've pointed this out in the Episode Thread as well. So which is canon, the one we saw in Episode 4 or the one in episode 6? Also, speaking of technology am I the only one who is in disbelief of the Red Lobster's capabilities? According to the Leon in Episode 5: == Makes its own missiles....WTF!!!??? Unlimited Ammo!!! == Has a reactor capable of powering ECA and Fold Generator. Can anyone say SUPER OVERPOWERED?
Heron Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) ^^ I've pointed this out in the Episode Thread as well. So which is canon, the one we saw in Episode 4 or the one in episode 6? Also, speaking of technology am I the only one who is in disbelief of the Red Lobster's capabilities? According to the Leon in Episode 5: == Makes its own missiles....WTF!!!??? Unlimited Ammo!!! == Has a reactor capable of powering ECA and Fold Generator. Can anyone say SUPER OVERPOWERED? 1. Uhmm if they have killed two or more of them, then no they are not overpowered. Least of all uber powered. 2. Variable fighters can fold, have damn near unlimited ammo, multi-forms oh and unlike the Vajra, do have PPB, like say the Excalibur or Sturmvogel. 3. Alto was able to blast one to smithereens and Ozamu stabbity one to death. So in the end, I cannot say they are super overpowered or even overpowered. Edited May 10, 2008 by Heron
ComicKaze Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 Despite the Zentradi/Meltrandi being clones, they exhibit a lot of size differential between characters. (Breetai is same or bigger than VF-1J, Exodol is tiny). Meltran's have been shown to be tall and short, cute, and hot... (never ugly). Queadluun's are probably custom fit to it's pilot like clothes.
Duke Togo Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 BTW, keep an eye on those two guns/lasers/beam cannons/whatever on the bottom of the packs on Ozma's Valk in the next episode. They kick mucho butt.
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