Mark Nguyen Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Which makes fun for everyone trying to rationalize the existence of 3+ city ships in the Macross 5 fleet. I'm sure they'll clarify it in the series when this puppy shows up. I'm more firmly of the opinion that the ship we see is NOT the same ship currently attached to the front of Island 1... but we'll find out soon enough. Mark
azrael Posted April 10, 2008 Author Posted April 10, 2008 I'm sure they'll clarify it in the series when this puppy shows up. I'm more firmly of the opinion that the ship we see is NOT the same ship currently attached to the front of Island 1... but we'll find out soon enough. That thought came on me as well. Perhaps the ship we see in the opening is not Battle-25, but an SMS ship. We've already seen a bridge or control center for the SMS crew.
Mark Nguyen Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 That's a good point - we saw a bridge, and we dont' know where the VF-25s launched from. It most likely wasn't the same ships our surprised VF-171 pilots came from, and it might have been too far away to have been Frontier itself. You're right, it makes sense for the SMS to have a ship of their own... But one as huge as that?! Mark
sketchley Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 That's a good point - we saw a bridge, and we dont' know where the VF-25s launched from. It most likely wasn't the same ships our surprised VF-171 pilots came from, and it might have been too far away to have been Frontier itself. You're right, it makes sense for the SMS to have a ship of their own... But one as huge as that?! Mark In one of the translations I did of one of the earlier articles in Newtype on the series, I remembered getting the impression that SMS is in command of the Battle 25. Though, after having watched episode 2, I'm getting the feeling that they aren't, as their VFs are launching from a facility which appears to be inside (and under) City 25. They also have a rather large HQ building in the city as well.
Zinjo Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 In one of the translations I did of one of the earlier articles in Newtype on the series, I remembered getting the impression that SMS is in command of the Battle 25. Though, after having watched episode 2, I'm getting the feeling that they aren't, as their VFs are launching from a facility which appears to be inside (and under) City 25. They also have a rather large HQ building in the city as well. Well since capital ships would be relegated to the actual military, it does make sense that they'd be based on Island 1.
Kelsain Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 (edited) That's a good point - we saw a bridge, and we dont' know where the VF-25s launched from. It most likely wasn't the same ships our surprised VF-171 pilots came from, and it might have been too far away to have been Frontier itself. You're right, it makes sense for the SMS to have a ship of their own... But one as huge as that?! Mark If we're still talking about the 171's in episode 1, the flight they showed going through the launch were from a Guantanimo carrier. The bridge seen in the opening credits looks distinctly Macross-y, as does the scale of the ship and torso shape seem consistent with the New Macross class. My money's still on a refit. It may be an SMS ship, though, as the SMS command center looked more like the original Macross' bridge; while the 171's and Ghosts were being monitored by the NUNS from a significantly different CIC. Edited April 10, 2008 by Kelsain
Zinjo Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 If we're still talking about the 171's in episode 1, the flight they showed going through the launch were from a Guantanimo carrier. The bridge seen in the opening credits looks distinctly Macross-y, as does the scale of the ship and torso shape seem consistent with the New Macross class. My money's still on a refit. It may be an SMS ship, though, as the SMS command center looked more like the original Macross' bridge; while the 171's and Ghosts were being monitored by the NUNS from a significantly different CIC. I expect the SMS CIC looks like the old Macross bridge for nostalgic reasons only. I got no impression that it was anything other than a room somewhere.
Duke Togo Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Look at the bow of Battle 25, as hooked up to the front of Island 1. Now look at the "main gun" on the back of the big Macross Cannon ship. I do believe they are indeed the same vessel.
Graham Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Not sure you could call them Patroids. Fireroids maybe? Graham
Duke Togo Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Not sure you could call them Patroids. Fireroids maybe? They sell a cream for that, don't they?
wolfx Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Actually the whole colony ship is called the M-Frontier according to the icon in the emigration sequence. I don't doubt that the Battle / Carrier section is called both M-25 and Battle 25. It is entirely possible that both refer to different configurations of the same ship. the M-25 being the carrier while the Battle 25 could be the Attacker mode. The Frontier must be the name of the collected modules, including M-25 and all the Islands attached to Island 1. I just regarded "Frontier" as the fleet name. Every other name are the specific components of the fleet ie: Battle 25, Island 1, etc
Macross007 Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Quick, count the missiles! I don't know, but enough to make another as*hole to God I guess.
Zinjo Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Look at the bow of Battle 25, as hooked up to the front of Island 1. Now look at the "main gun" on the back of the big Macross Cannon ship. I do believe they are indeed the same vessel. Sketchley posted and interesting notion in the episode thread underneath a spoiler and it has some merit... http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...5722&st=120 his last post on the page... That too is a possibility considering the shear size of Island 1.
RichterX Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 About 80+ could count 32 on each leg and about 18 on the chest, too blurry to see on shoulders
Morpheus Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Sketchley posted and interesting notion in the episode thread underneath a spoiler and it has some merit... http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...5722&st=120 his last post on the page... That too is a possibility considering the shear size of Island 1. So there are possibility of several Macross class ship on Frontier fleet, interesting indeed. I also notice from the opening that Alto llaunch his VF-25 from one of the side island, probably from the hidden ship which also function as SMS secret base.
Mark Nguyen Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 (edited) I like being right on occasion. Any chance of a screencap of the suspected berth for this ship? I'm waiting patiently for the subs... It looks great though that SMS has their own mobile fortress, which will inevitably be separated from the its home (much like SDF-1 folded away uncontrollably and City 7 was abducted). At least this time I figure most everyone on this ship will WANT to be there. Mark Edited April 11, 2008 by Mark Nguyen
sketchley Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Ah... but you are forgetting that this is supposed to be a "school story". Where's the school if they are all stuck in a warship parsecs away?
Mark Nguyen Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Long forgotten? Most Macross stories feature unexpaected abduction of SOME kind as a major plot point. With the confirmation of a second ship, I expect they're going to eventually go out and DO something with it. In any case, I always thought that "school story" was more thematic than literal. None of the love triangle members are in the same school, after all. Mark
azrael Posted April 11, 2008 Author Posted April 11, 2008 None of the love triangle members are in the same school, after all. Not yet.
Holocause Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Got a question on the Valkyrie Gunpods... (1)Do they have to be exposed/open in order to fire? Or can they be fired closed? I'm assuming it opens for better heat dissipation (or just to make that more frigin cool to look at) The animation on the episodes appear too fast and I can't tell if the particle fire in fightermode is coming from the gunpod or if its from an internal cannon within the VF's (2)Was the blade sheathed in the gunpod, shield, or somewhere in the Valk's arm? (3)Seems quite impractical to have a Sniper Weapon in mechanized combat. Especially when the enemy can close the gap from the sniper within seconds. Wonder what a sniper would use to defend himself should the enemy get in too close.
Zinjo Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Long forgotten? Most Macross stories feature unexpaected abduction of SOME kind as a major plot point. With the confirmation of a second ship, I expect they're going to eventually go out and DO something with it. In any case, I always thought that "school story" was more thematic than literal. None of the love triangle members are in the same school, after all. Mark Considering that the "school" seems to center around the vocational highschool, I suspect that is the jumping off point. The story centers around highschool age characters.
azrael Posted April 11, 2008 Author Posted April 11, 2008 Got a question on the Valkyrie Gunpods... (1)Do they have to be exposed/open in order to fire? Or can they be fired closed? I'm assuming it opens for better heat dissipation (or just to make that more frigin cool to look at) The animation on the episodes appear too fast and I can't tell if the particle fire in fightermode is coming from the gunpod or if its from an internal cannon within the VF's (2)Was the blade sheathed in the gunpod, shield, or somewhere in the Valk's arm? (3)Seems quite impractical to have a Sniper Weapon in mechanized combat. Especially when the enemy can close the gap from the sniper within seconds. Wonder what a sniper would use to defend himself should the enemy get in too close. 1) Heat? Possible. Better forgrip? Yeh. Make it look cool? Sure. It can collapse for fighter mode. 2) It looked like the knife came from the left arm. Where? Can't tell. 3) I prefer the term "sharpshooter" over sniper. And VFs are all-environment so who's to say they shouldn't have a sharpshooter.
Zinjo Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 1) Heat? Possible. Better forgrip? Yeh. Make it look cool? Sure. It can collapse for fighter mode. 2) It looked like the knife came from the left arm. Where? Can't tell. 3) I prefer the term "sharpshooter" over sniper. And VFs are all-environment so who's to say they shouldn't have a sharpshooter. The VF-25 is designed for mission specific bolt on ordinance. The apparent default pack for space is the FAST Pack that Gilliam/Gideon was using, but we've seen an Armor, Elint and Sharpshooter packs now too. As for the sharpshooter encountering a close combat situation, essentially he would need to get out of there, like a sniper would if their location is compromised. The sniper.sharpshooter role is for long range engagement, while the FAST Pack and Armor Packs are better suited for close combat.
Mark Nguyen Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Awww, yeah. Saw the screencap of the hidden craft, and it's absolutely the "hands" of the OP sequence battle fortress sticking out under the canopy. I suspect a Miyatake design based loosely off of the sketches of what would eventually become Battle 7; some of those had the arms of the new ship be copies of the Prometheus and Daedalus carriers. Something similar seems to be happening here, with the left arm being the flight deck, and the right housing the BFG. Now, one only wonders if Battle 25 (if that's its name) would ever separate and join this ship in a battle royale finale. Mark
Duke Togo Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 It does indeed look like that may be it, tucked away.
Graham Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 The animation on the episodes appear too fast and I can't tell if the particle fire in fightermode is coming from the gunpod or if its from an internal cannon within the VF's It could be either from the built in hip/wing root guns or on the two large cannon on ball mounts on the Armoured Pack. Graham
kensei Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 One of the VF-25 variant heads looks really like a VF-0 head.
kamotekid Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 ^^ yup, i thought the head unit on mikhail's/michelle's vf25 looked like shin's vf-0
Duke Togo Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 (edited) edit: Nevermind, I was wrong Edited April 12, 2008 by Duke Togo
badboy00z Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 3) I prefer the term "sharpshooter" over sniper. And VFs are all-environment so who's to say they shouldn't have a sharpshooter. I agree as well. I recognize snipers as sharpshooters that's in an undisclosed location. Just because someone uses a long range rifle doesn't make him/her a sniper IMO. The deciding factor for me would be whether the shooter is concealed or not.
Alastar Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 I agree as well. I recognize snipers as sharpshooters that's in an undisclosed location. Just because someone uses a long range rifle doesn't make him/her a sniper IMO. The deciding factor for me would be whether the shooter is concealed or not. Well he was trying to stay behind cover as he was looking to put in some well placed shots. But what I don't understand is that if it is a projectile weapon or a energy weapon. 1. We didn't see any rounds drop ( or they didn't care to animate that) 2. Only energy weapons really open up like that to disperse heat really. 3. That Gunpod could be a improvement of the VF-17 Nightmares high energy beam cannon attachment??
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