Lindem Herz Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Let me ask a RIDICULOUS question. Why are we so adamant about getting a subbed version of this??? Most of us agree that it is highly inferior to the Deculture edition AND 90% of this is ALREADY SUBBED!!!!! GOOD LORD!!!! 'Cause even a little character development is important?
Sergorn Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 And beside I don't want to make a final judgement without seeing the full episode SUBBED. -Sergorn
MisaForever Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 And beside I don't want to make a final judgement without seeing the full episode SUBBED. -Sergorn But.... But....................... But But....... GAH!!!!! *HEAD ASPLODES*
Mr March Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 But.... But....................... But But....... GAH!!!!! *HEAD ASPLODES* Are you attempting to rationalize the ways of Macross World? Surely not! This is where screams of raped childhoods and lamentations of "small hands! SMALL HANDS!" reign. Reason isn't exactly a virtue here, my foolish little miclone Misa!
MisaForever Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Are you attempting to rationalize the ways of Macross World? Surely not! This is where screams of raped childhoods and lamentations of "small hands! SMALL HANDS!" reign. Reason isn't exactly a virtue here, my foolish little miclone Misa! *sigh* Alright then, I'm going home. Don't let the insanity consume you men
Sergorn Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 But.... But....................... But But....... GAH!!!!! *HEAD ASPLODES* Yeah I know it's mostly the same dialogues... but I then I don't know all the dialogues by heart, so seeing the episode without a direct understanding of everything distract from the experience. And besides the second viewing will less be spoiled by memories of the DE ^^ -Sergorn
Gubaba Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Maybe, just maybe...ten fansubbing groups were planning on doing MF...but before they started, they decided to check Macrossworld, and saw so many people attacking the broadcast version, and then said, "Wow, if even Macross FANS dislike it so much, let's just forget about it." Hey, it's possible... *runs away to avoid incoming Itano Circus*
cyde01 Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 really guys there's not that much that's different in this episode. i posted this in the episode 1-2 talkback thread yesterday: dressing room scene: mikhail: Miss Sheryl? girl: Eh? I'm not her! mikhail: I beg your pardon. It's just that you looked so beautiful from behind (doesn't have the negative connotations in Japanese). girl: (giggles) Oh my! luca: Can you believe Mikhail senpai, (hitting on girls) at a place like this? He has nerves of steel! You don't seem nervous at all either, Alto senpai. I guess if you come from that kind of background, you're gonna be used to this kind of atmosphere. alto: Luca! One more word and I'll.. background: hello!! luca: it's sheryl!! it's the fairy of the galaxy!!! sheryl: what are those kids!! i told you i don't want any fans backstage!! cathy: they are students who will be doing the aerial acrobatics in the opening. sheryl: students!? you put amateurs on my concert staff!? cathy: they are from our fleet's elite.. sheryl: tell them to take it easy and not disrupt my concert!! although i'll doubt the fans will be looking at anything besides me. (closes door) cathy: "fairy of the galaxy?" she's more like a little demon. aerial acrobatics scene mikhail: upward air balloon!! (dunno if i got that right) you're gonna be late units!!! alto: just keep going. mikhail: alto!! cut it out!! alto: the crowd likes it. next up, the rainbow corkscrew. CHECK IT!!!! mikhail: alto!!!! alto: GOOOO!!!!! don't get scared miss fairy. cathy: idiot!!! alto: dammit!!! (catches sheryl) i'm sorry. i'll get you right back.. sheryl: just keep flying!!! alto: what? sheryl: hurry!! alto: alright! mikhail: that idiot! all units follow unit 2!! alto: you're.. amazing.. I don't think there was anything else new. all the old scenes had the same dialogue as the deculture edition. remind me if i missed anything else new.
Aegis! Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 I don't think there was anything else new. all the old scenes had the same dialogue as the deculture edition. remind me if i missed anything else new. Which is why I question the reasons behind the fansubs delay.
veffidas Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 (edited) Which is why I question the reasons behind the fansubs delay. I'll reiterate my comments made in the episode thread: http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&a...st&p=578360. There's a lot of work besides translation that goes into making a fansub. Just because the dialogue is the same for the most part doesn't mean it won't take just as long to release. Read the other posts in the thread there as well; nemesis_trooper tried his/her hand at it and came back with a sobering perspective. There's also the fact that the ED cannot be properly translated due to Kanno's trademark non-language. This can cause some groups to want to stall until there is an official transcript available. For the most part, releasing a version 2 months later isn't something fansub groups desire nor is releasing an incomplete translated episode neither. Edited April 8, 2008 by veffidas
Graham Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Saw this news on the offial Frontier Blog: 某サイトのブログキーワードランキングにて、 ４月３日 MBS・CBC放送日に マクロスが２位に浮上！ 苦節××ヶ月・・・ というのも昨年１２月の特番放送時１２月２４日には６位。 ベスト５入りに３ポイント足りず、 脚本家の吉野さんと、 自分達が書いていたら右側ベスト５窓に載っていたかも、 トホホと反省していたのでした。 でも今回は堂々の２位！ しかも翌日４月４日TBS放送日は３位 地方により放送日が違うため連日トップ５入りの快挙！ しかーし、これで満足してはいけないのだ！ あくまでTOP１を狙わなくては！ と、自分を戒めるオカヤでした。 Google translation: BUROGUKIWADORANKINGU at an undisclosed site, MBS CBC broadcast April 3rd day Macross emerged in second place! × × months苦節 特番last December for broadcast on December 24 when the sixth. Best 3 to 5 points entering not enough, Mr. Yoshino's writer, If they have written five best window on the right side of it was, Been so humiliated and remorse. But this is a gallant second! And TBS broadcast the following day on April 4 for third day Local broadcast of the day because every day is filled top five feat! It's only, not satisfied with this! TOP1 only to the狙わなく! And the self OKAYA caution. Guess that means the first episode of Frontier did well in the ratings (2nd place?). Graham
Gubaba Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 It looks like the Deculture version came in sixth (three points shy of the top five), the MBS broadcast was 2nd, and the TBS broadcast was 3rd. Ya gotta wonder, though...what kind of competition does it have for the Thursday night Two A.M. slot...? At any rate...now we KNOW the ratings were good!
Duke Togo Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Wow, 2 AM... that's kinda pathetic. I know I don't understand how Japanese TV works, but that seems kinda sad.
Elektrix Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Wow, 2 AM... that's kinda pathetic. I know I don't understand how Japanese TV works, but that seems kinda sad. I'm not sure, but I don't think it's that unusual...... I've seen a lot of well-regarded anime that airs incredibly late like that; I don't think it's necessarily the equivalent of what airs in the US at 2 AM, for example.
Gubaba Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Wow, 2 AM... that's kinda pathetic. I know I don't understand how Japanese TV works, but that seems kinda sad. To be fair, I noticed while I was there that most anime was on well after midnight. I even managed to catch reruns of SDFM at 3 AM Thursday mornings...complete with commercials for the Wave Macross model.
azrael Posted April 8, 2008 Author Posted April 8, 2008 The blog says, back in December, the special got 6th place and it made them worry a bit. But this time around, they got 2nd place, with the TBS airing the following day in 3rd place. So they reached the Top 5 on their first week almost everyday. But they want the #1 spot in the ranking by the time they're done so.... Anime has to air during odd hours because, well, unless you're Crayon Shin-chan or Sazae-san, then you don't have many time slots except mid-mornings on Sunday after the Super Hero Hour, or late night. There is no other real time slot around (with Code Geass R2, I'll take exception). As for MF's competition, well... xxxHOLiC Kei @ Thursdays, 25:25 To LOVE-Ru @ Thursdays, 25:25 Junjou Romantica @ Thursdays, 25:20 This doesn't include shows still running at the moment.
Holocause Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Let me ask a RIDICULOUS question. Why are we so adamant about getting a subbed version of this??? Most of us agree that it is highly inferior to the Deculture edition AND 90% of this is ALREADY SUBBED!!!!! GOOD LORD!!!! For collection's sake too. Like many other anime series that I seriously follow, I collect the episodes (None of the Macross shows are ever leaving my HDD). And while there is the DC edition, when the series finally ends and I've got all 50 (hopefully) episodes, I'd like to have episode 1 among them. What I'm wondering now is how many fansub groups will be working on MacrossF? Anime-in-Action already has ep 1 on the books but I don't know if they will be the definitive fansub version. I'm kinda hoping Shinsen comes out with one too as I like what they've done with Gundam 00 and the DeCulture edition. I also hope whichever fansub group I choose, they work at it til the end. I've encountered some fansubbers work on a series only to stop tranlating mid-season.
Gubaba Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 ...I guess I'm alone in really liking the broadcast version. I don't prefer it to the Deculture version, but it kind of reminded me of M+...some things are better handled in the OVA (the opening), some things are better in the movie (the ending). The Deculture version had better mecha porn, the broadcast version had better, um...character development porn.
Project Phoenix Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 ...I guess I'm alone in really liking the broadcast version. I don't prefer it to the Deculture version, but it kind of reminded me of M+...some things are better handled in the OVA (the opening), some things are better in the movie (the ending). The Deculture version had better mecha porn, the broadcast version had better, um...character development porn. But they are both good Macross porn nonetheless right?
RichterX Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 I can just keep my hopes up that showing it at 2:00am is like if they were showing it in the US during adult swim...
Gubaba Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 But they are both good Macross porn nonetheless right? Yes. Nothin' like mecha porn, love triangle porn, and singing porn all put together!
Mr March Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 (edited) ...I guess I'm alone in really liking the broadcast version. I don't prefer it to the Deculture version, but it kind of reminded me of M+...some things are better handled in the OVA (the opening), some things are better in the movie (the ending). The Deculture version had better mecha porn, the broadcast version had better, um...character development porn. Not at all. I'm really ambivalent about the issue. Like I said, it's the nature of editing, which can gain and lose in equal measure. Don't let the typical polarized reaction on MW exaggerate the issue. There is much to enjoy about the broadcast version and the Deculture Edition has some superior sequences as well. Personally, I would really enjoy a 40-45 minute cut with everything included. Macross Frontier almost demands a long cut and it would work well without sacrificing pacing. Edited April 8, 2008 by Mr March
Duke Togo Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Not at all. I'm really ambivalent about the issue. Like I said, it's the nature of editing, which can gain and lose in equal measure. Don't let the typical polarized reaction on MW exaggerate the issue. Their is much to enjoy about the broadcast version and the Deculture Edition has some superior sequences as well. Personally, I would really enjoy a 40-45 minute cut with everything included. Macross Frontier almost demands a long cut and it would work well without sacrificing pacing. But it wouldn't be 40-45 minutes. I'm not even sure it would be 30. Deculture weights in at 26 minutes and change.
Mr March Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 It wasn't exactly a scientific number. Besides, no one can say what is lying on the cutting room floor. Point being, I'd really appreciate an extended cut.
Tobi54 Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Not at all. I'm really ambivalent about the issue. Like I said, it's the nature of editing, which can gain and lose in equal measure. Don't let the typical polarized reaction on MW exaggerate the issue. Their is much to enjoy about the broadcast version and the Deculture Edition has some superior sequences as well. Personally, I would really enjoy a 40-45 minute cut with everything included. Macross Frontier almost demands a long cut and it would work well without sacrificing pacing. I agree, I think both cuts succeded in what they were meant to do, I can understand the beef people have with the editing on the broadcast version, I also feel some cuts feel too rough, but I also think that this issue has been blown out of proportion.
s001 Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 ...I guess I'm alone in really liking the broadcast version. I don't prefer it to the Deculture version, but it kind of reminded me of M+...some things are better handled in the OVA (the opening), some things are better in the movie (the ending). The Deculture version had better mecha porn, the broadcast version had better, um...character development porn. Amen amigo.
Aero of Steel Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/071/71758/index.html
Gubaba Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/071/71758/index.html Wow...that looks it would've been a fun place to be. Ai Nakajima and May'n sharing the stage? Cool. (But where was Maaya Sakamoto?) Although I'm a little alarmed to learn that the "main story points" of MF are "battle and school life."
MisaForever Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Wow...that looks it would've been a fun place to be. Ai Nakajima and May'n sharing the stage? Cool. (But where was Maaya Sakamoto?) Although I'm a little alarmed to learn that the "main story points" of MF are "battle and school life." SEIIFUUKKUUU FIIIGGHHHTTOOOOOO!!!
Zinjo Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 But it wouldn't be 40-45 minutes. I'm not even sure it would be 30. Deculture weights in at 26 minutes and change. Actually, if you add the time the new scenes took, then that will give you an idea of how long a "complete version" would be. Personally, I find it interesting that Western fans prefer the Deculture Edition over the Japanese fan preference of the MBS version. There is still a culture gulf between both fanbases or the "buzz" affect worked as well as expected, by broadcasting the DC edition early. The DC and MBS versions are essentially the same episode with different focuses. Combined they give us a full introduction to the three main characters and their demeanors.
Duke Togo Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Personally, I find it interesting that Western fans prefer the Deculture Edition over the Japanese fan preference of the MBS version. I haven't read this anywhere?
Tobi54 Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 I haven't read this anywhere? After the airing of the broadcast version there were comments on other boards about which version they liked best, and in fact they liked the broadcast version better, which boards are these exactly? I dont know, but I assumed it was either from the japanese fanbase, of even fan subbers, if anyone can correct me, please do.
azrael Posted April 8, 2008 Author Posted April 8, 2008 ... in fact they liked the broadcast version better, which boards are these exactly? I dont know, but I assumed it was either from the japanese fanbase, of even fan subbers, if anyone can correct me, please do. You might want to find the source of that....
Zinjo Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 I haven't read this anywhere? New to the forums? Coming in 2nd in the time slot ratings is a fairly positive afirmation of the episode. However, I do concede (as stated in the context of the statement out of which you quoted "a" sentence) that the 2nd place ranking could just as easily be due to fan "buzz" as a result of the DE version shown back in December... Then there is the reality that Macross Plus was far better received here than in Japan, compared to Macross 7.
Tobi54 Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&a...st&p=576996 I guess animesuki doesn't count as Japanese lol I remembered the comments, not exactly from where though, my bad
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